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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    I feel my car's EPS some times freezes i.e feels stuck
    When i turn the steering wheel while the car is off it makes a weird sound like something is hanging with it,might be a torn boot
    Is there any "service" that an EPS needs after some time ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadsoulsnatcher911 View Post
    I feel my car's EPS some times freezes i.e feels stuck
    When i turn the steering wheel while the car is off it makes a weird sound like something is hanging with it,might be a torn boot
    Is there any "service" that an EPS needs after some time ?
    How can we turn the EPS steering when the car is off????
    My car steering does not turn easily when car is off so I neva tried to apply force.

    As soon as I power ON, steering becomes usable ... and then I can move it freely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinyoti View Post
    What are maintainence costs etc associated with Honda City vario? How long should the car be trouble free etc, a friend is selling one and im looking to purchase a car, So i was wondering if i could try it out.

    But when ever the name Vario is heard, Trouble comes along thats why ive been avoiding it. Any feedback would be helpful, Im also concerned about its fuel average btw.
    hahaha ... bro ... my experience ... its a very nice car ... provided its CVT is perfect.
    If you are going to buy it ... then have its drive when the car has already driven for at least 20km. i.e. drive when the car is already hot.
    Do not buy, if its driven on CNG ... Do care about any sounds coming from transmission. Drive on all gears, D, L, S. Driving on S gives maximum performance. Whenever I drive on S, my car is like flying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinyoti View Post
    Well im looking for a car purchase i started with Coure, then Mira, then eventualy Passo, that makes my range shoot upto from 6.50 to 800k, So a friend is letting go his Vario 2006 almost 60k on the odo, only rear bumper replaced under insurance rest all orignal. Its in Grey color and the price is near about my range (passo + registration etc)

    so the deal sounds tempting. So im a bit puzzled. Im not sure if i want such a big car right now.
    I started my hunt for a used car about 4 to 5 months ago, just like u i started thinking about New Alto, then Santro, 660cJDMs, then Vitz for most of the time, and then came to the decision of City Manual, raised my budget from 650k to 950k. and bought a manual idsi 2006 for 920k, I will suggest if u can find a manual version it would be the best choice under your budgetary limitations.
    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkashifafzal View Post
    I started my hunt for a used car about 4 to 5 months ago, just like u i started thinking about New Alto, then Santro, 660cJDMs, then Vitz for most of the time, and then came to the decision of City Manual, raised my budget from 650k to 950k. and bought a manual idsi 2006 for 920k, I will suggest if u can find a manual version it would be the best choice under your budgetary limitations.
    Good luck.
    Yup, though I have vario, but if you can find a better manual IDSI, its excellent ... simpler to maintain ... good mileage ...

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    We have Honda Citys in family and i personaly feel that the dashboard has glare on the windscreen and the seating position isnt as comfortable, comments any body?
    Get over the fact that Xli lacks power windows, Its an Xli because it lacks thoose features or else it would be a Gli or an Altis if had all the goodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinyoti View Post
    Im not sure about major differences, But im guessing EXI lacks the following

    -Power Steering (These models have an hydraulic power steering that means a big conversation but still shouldnt be more then 10-15k)
    -Power Windows (You can source a set from scrap market (bilal gunj etc) It shouldnt be more then 20k bolt on)
    -Central locking (you can always get a after market system)
    -If the meter cluster is different (that can be changed)
    -Rest is same.


    The best bet is to consult your mechanic, Major cost is how cheap you get the parts, Conversation labour shouldnt be too much.

    Both are power stearing as far as i know , but if its not , this changes every thing , i think i might have to skip the exi cars , but ill confirm it first
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    @salman and Kashif, i might get a vario in my range, but il have to look more for a manual one lol
    Get over the fact that Xli lacks power windows, Its an Xli because it lacks thoose features or else it would be a Gli or an Altis if had all the goodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msalman2012 View Post
    How can we turn the EPS steering when the car is off????
    My car steering does not turn easily when car is off so I neva tried to apply force.

    As soon as I power ON, steering becomes usable ... and then I can move it freely.
    By turning i mean just rotating the steering wheel for parking etc
    when its off its like a normal steering

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinyoti View Post
    We have Honda Citys in family and i personaly feel that the dashboard has glare on the windscreen and the seating position isnt as comfortable, comments any body?
    I have driven my city for 13 hours continuously. The same routine has been completed 3 times. After driving through very rough roads from morning to evening I can say the car has played an excellent role. I tend to get angry after my similar routines in other cars but now I don't so I guess the seating position and glare problems have been sorted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinyoti View Post
    We have Honda Citys in family and i personaly feel that the dashboard has glare on the windscreen and the seating position isnt as comfortable, comments any body?
    you are correct about the glare and seating position
    but the glare is because the grey coloured panel around the speed o meter
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    Yeh kaunsay bhai ko meri gari ka pouchnay ka shauk hai ??? Pyaray if you see it, please keep yer mouth zipped, it`s not complete yet, the engine is still undergoing testing.......kind request.....very soon I`ll upload the videos an pic as well...hallay sakoon rakho!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    Yeh kaunsay bhai ko meri gari ka pouchnay ka shauk hai ??? Pyaray if you see it, please keep yer mouth zipped, it`s not complete yet, the engine is still undergoing testing.......kind request.....very soon I`ll upload the videos an pic as well...hallay sakoon rakho!
    When am I getting a spine shattering test drive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    When am I getting a spine shattering test drive?
    Brother, yer more than welcome anytime!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, the spine shattering has been pampered to the point that you`ll have backache till the end of the day.....oh an I bet you`ll love the sound of the monster spool......
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    Can we install a OEM Honda keyless entry in the IDSI City? The one Honda was offering for 15k ?
    Get over the fact that Xli lacks power windows, Its an Xli because it lacks thoose features or else it would be a Gli or an Altis if had all the goodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    Brother, yer more than welcome anytime!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, the spine shattering has been pampered to the point that you`ll have backache till the end of the day.....oh an I bet you`ll love the sound of the monster spool......
    Oh... Good. awesome in fact. I met kaptaan sb after you had a Salim interchange meet with him, so he told me stuff about your car.

    You better finish the work off till we have GTG in january cz no one's gonna accept any excuse by then. All we'll want is a aunda city to look at.

    And monster spool, OoOoO, can't wait. :Off goes robm to look at the next lahore visit plan:
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinyoti View Post
    Can we install a OEM Honda keyless entry in the IDSI City? The one Honda was offering for 15k ?
    May be. Yes may be because its only Pakistan that we are getting naked cars without the basic accessories like immobilizer, key less entry and SRS.
    New city has the key less entry module installed. All you need is a key with remote, like the OEM vti oriel key, and program it. Its a 5 step easy process.

    Not sure about idsi though, but something in my mind does click that it might be having the module as well.

    P.S honda was offering for 15k? when?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    May be. Yes may be because its only Pakistan that we are getting naked cars without the basic accessories like immobilizer, key less entry and SRS.
    New city has the key less entry module installed. All you need is a key with remote, like the OEM vti oriel key, and program it. Its a 5 step easy process.

    Not sure about idsi though, but something in my mind does click that it might be having the module as well.

    P.S honda was offering for 15k? when?
    Bro are you 100% sure New city has the key less entry module installed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sk_KingpiN View Post
    Bro are you 100% sure New city has the key less entry module installed?
    As of the knowledge I got from a very reliable source, yes I am sure. He told me that there is no difference between any electronics in honda city aspire. They have added mirror indicator, alloys and Satnav.
    Moreover, the key with aspire is ditto same as the 8th gen oriel key if you are familiar with it and so is the answer back function.

    I have 2012 city and an oriel as well to check but I have already installed steelmate system. So, if I come across a non aspire city of an acquaintance, I'll definitely give it a shot.

    The oriel key is for 6.5k from 3S shops, I am copy pasting the procedure used for civic, I was told that its the same for city as well.
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    Sorry Honda fans,

    But i didnt enjoy driving the vario too.

    I took my frineds car for spin, and brought it home to show it to my family, (yes the size and the color made me drool) But the drive is very tiring. Seats are very hard,

    CVT's usualy accelerate slower then A/T and M/T's thats not issue, The car drove fantasticaly, i didnt feel a gear change at all (the RPM was constant too (from zero to 80 atleast). I had to lift my foot for the RPM to come down.

    I did drive it slow, Harsh in every manner i could, It was simply good to drive,


    Parked it at my home to inspect it, The car had lacqar all over it, (yes i have a khujli for genuine paints shine) Laquar simply cant have it.)

    The when i planned to take the car back, i tried the N to D and N to R trick, and their was a minute trr on N to D, Which i guess people say is the sound so alert that somethings wrong.

    Their was buring smell when i parked the car in my garage (probably becuase a skreech braked to check brakes).

    and after parking, Their was quite too much phus... shurr... from the engine room as if somethings boiling. (is it normal) ?

    So im back to looking cars again, Since i dont wana buy a car and then cry specialy when im buying from a friend. It can be problematic in the future.
    Get over the fact that Xli lacks power windows, Its an Xli because it lacks thoose features or else it would be a Gli or an Altis if had all the goodies.

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