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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    ahh these little suckers! well they ARE easily available in the market but the real question is, how the HECK did u take this out of the button? i had my console opened, changed all the faulty bulbs but accessing this one was soooo hard that i abandoned the idea after trying for like 30mins n having my fingers all bruised up... how did u open it?
    Ahmad, This is exactly what I experienced...When I bought the Steermatic It's hazard light switch bulb was fuse... I bought the bulb but no one including Honda 3S Dealership people knew how to replace it... They all said that I would have to take down the entire Dashboard and would cost around 3K only for the labour.

    Out of frusturation I spent 6 Hours one night and finally managed to replace the bulb myself... It's bit hard to explain here how I did it.. But you can call and we can discuss
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    ahh these little suckers! well they ARE easily available in the market but the real question is, how the HECK did u take this out of the button? i had my console opened, changed all the faulty bulbs but accessing this one was soooo hard that i abandoned the idea after trying for like 30mins n having my fingers all bruised up... how did u open it?
    I think the bro has a SX8 city. Not the one like we do.

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    I coined a tricky way to get that hazard button out after I met you and you told me about it. The thing is, if you ever open you instrument cluster, just peek inside the dash near the hazard button. You'll clearly see the wire grip and a small screw. Remove thr grip and the screw. You'll need a small screw driver because of space shortage and trust me it won't be easy but not impossible either.

    If you happen to get your hands on a tool that tilts 90 degrees, then its a piece of cake. There is only one screw and after that you can remove that button and do whatever you want to it (I would give it a slow death ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by smashhud View Post
    Ahmad, This is exactly what I experienced...When I bought the Steermatic It's hazard light switch bulb was fuse... I bought the bulb but no one including Honda 3S Dealership people knew how to replace it... They all said that I would have to take down the entire Dashboard and would cost around 3K only for the labour.

    Out of frusturation I spent 6 Hours one night and finally managed to replace the bulb myself... It's bit hard to explain here how I did it.. But you can call and we can discuss
    Salman bhai, you can share a bit briefly how did you accessed it, from the central console or somewhere else? Would be really helpful for us.
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    Somebody PLEASE help me: How to open the central console in order to replace the audio player?

    Because I am gonna get a new one for the car and I don't feel like allowing a ***hole to mingle with it. Its never been opened before on my car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Somebody PLEASE help me: How to open the central console in order to replace the audio player?

    Because I am gonna get a new one for the car and I don't feel like allowing a ***hole to mingle with it. Its never been opened before on my car.


    m gonna post the same question....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Salman bhai, you can share a bit briefly how did you accessed it, from the central console or somewhere else? Would be really helpful for us.
    Well.. Here you go:

    1. Opened Both the Central Air-Conditioning Vents (Located On Left Side of the Hazard Light Switch)
    2. You will be able to see the Switch from Side-On. Remove the Red Cap which covers the actual switch (2 Clips - Top and Bottom).
    3. Now comes the harder part, the actual switch is tightly placed in the console with the help of 2 Clips. Give Arees (No english word for this comes into my mind ) on top and bottom of the switch with 2 small flat head screw-driver (Or something similar).
    4. Lay down on your back underneath the steering and lock up the console. You will be able to see the switch just on top of the Car Stereo. Using a long Stick or Screw Drive you have to maneuver & Push the Switch Out of the Console. It should pop-out without using alot of force.
    5. Rotate & take out the fused bulb and put in the new bulb...


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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    I think the bro has a SX8 city. Not the one like we do.

    BUT

    I coined a tricky way to get that hazard button out after I met you and you told me about it. The thing is, if you ever open you instrument cluster, just peek inside the dash near the hazard button. You'll clearly see the wire grip and a small screw. Remove thr grip and the screw. You'll need a small screw driver because of space shortage and trust me it won't be easy but not impossible either.

    If you happen to get your hands on a tool that tilts 90 degrees, then its a piece of cake. There is only one screw and after that you can remove that button and do whatever you want to it (I would give it a slow death ).
    oh yes, when i opened the instrument cluster, i did have a better then before access to that stupid button's behind. though i was short of time so i didnt try it. i ll give it a try a some day. i only have the verrryyyy basic tools at homes but i may be able to get my hands on that 90 deg tool. i ll give it a try...
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    Quote Originally Posted by smashhud View Post
    Ahmad, This is exactly what I experienced...When I bought the Steermatic It's hazard light switch bulb was fuse... I bought the bulb but no one including Honda 3S Dealership people knew how to replace it... They all said that I would have to take down the entire Dashboard and would cost around 3K only for the labour.

    Out of frusturation I spent 6 Hours one night and finally managed to replace the bulb myself... It's bit hard to explain here how I did it.. But you can call and we can discuss

    I think this is a common fault in City idsi. i ve rarely seen the light working properly on any city. i dont remember having it working on my car even though i am the first owner. it only came to life one day while gave a gentle tap to the button to switch it on but it went out again after a brief moment. n i was like OMGGG we ve got a light in there

    well thanx for writing the whole procedure, it looks like a job which will make me screw my backbone for sure but i ll definitely give it a try...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Somebody PLEASE help me: How to open the central console in order to replace the audio player?

    Because I am gonna get a new one for the car and I don't feel like allowing a ***hole to mingle with it. Its never been opened before on my car.

    ahh... wish i cud help with that! actually the area around the nut behind is sooo cramped, u can put two hands there at once (so as to feel it while some denter/mechanic touches it simultaneously) n u cant even get a camera inside it to take a better look inside the place n guess which nut it could be.

    Fawad, ur best chance is to take it to some music player guy. as him to get that out for ur. opening the complete center console is a job no longer then 2-3 minutes, for sumone who KNOWS what hes doing. if u dont have such guys, just get the head unit u want n visit me in sgd, i ll take u to a guy who ll show u how to do it n will also put in the unit for u...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    ahh these little suckers! well they ARE easily available in the market but the real question is, how the HECK did u take this out of the button? i had my console opened, changed all the faulty bulbs but accessing this one was soooo hard that i abandoned the idea after trying for like 30mins n having my fingers all bruised up... how did u open it?
    Ahmed bhai,this bulb holder can easily open with a + screwdriver.... BTW i am searching this bulb but failed yet to find it!!
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    hellozz brothers!!
    i need to change my city`s coolant as oil change is due so i want to change the coolant as well!! so which one is good in market now days with is best for idsi??
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    thanks god my hazard light is working i was reading about it and rushed towards the car and checked it and it was working,i didn't even noticed it
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    Quote Originally Posted by typeN View Post
    hellozz brothers!!
    i need to change my city`s coolant as oil change is due so i want to change the coolant as well!! so which one is good in market now days with is best for idsi??
    well bro, not an expert with coolant but i wud say honda OEM coolant shud do quite well. see if u can get that one.

    how do u plan on changing the coolant? when i did it, i used a very stupid method of doing it i.e. opening the clamp of hose pipe, starting the car for a few seconds to push the water out n refill the coolant.

    however, just a day or two ago, i was lying under my car, working on something, n i think i saw a radiator discharge pipe at the bottom of the radiator. it was on the back of the radiator (the side facing engine) almost in front of the place where the engine meets the gearbox. a small plastic cap/cork sort of thing which can be screwed out to let the water out. try to do it this way. n rinse the radiator thoroughly before u pour in the new coolant. ratio of coolant n water is recommended to be kept at 50:50 but i like to keep coolant at 60: and water at 40: because u DO have to add water into the reserve tank from time to time n that way, the fluid gets too dilute if u dont put more coolant than water.
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    zic coolant comes already prepared in the ratio of 50:50
    i asked him what if water reduces though coolants hardly get less,he said then dont pour water n instead keep one extra bottle for that

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    Quote Originally Posted by typeN View Post
    thanks god my hazard light is working i was reading about it and rushed towards the car and checked it and it was working,i didn't even noticed it
    well then you're lucky, wanna swap ur dashboard with mine?
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    woowww :O you're killing me huzaifa... post some more pix man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    woowww :O you're killing me huzaifa... post some more pix man!
    ahmad bhai there r many more pics on my thread hav a look
    u r absent from there from long time bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    well bro, not an expert with coolant but i wud say honda OEM coolant shud do quite well. see if u can get that one.

    how do u plan on changing the coolant? when i did it, i used a very stupid method of doing it i.e. opening the clamp of hose pipe, starting the car for a few seconds to push the water out n refill the coolant.

    however, just a day or two ago, i was lying under my car, working on something, n i think i saw a radiator discharge pipe at the bottom of the radiator. it was on the back of the radiator (the side facing engine) almost in front of the place where the engine meets the gearbox. a small plastic cap/cork sort of thing which can be screwed out to let the water out. try to do it this way. n rinse the radiator thoroughly before u pour in the new coolant. ratio of coolant n water is recommended to be kept at 50:50 but i like to keep coolant at 60: and water at 40: because u DO have to add water into the reserve tank from time to time n that way, the fluid gets too dilute if u dont put more coolant than water.
    thanks honda oem is easily available but its a little expensive and i need a premixed 50:50 solution as measuring them and mixing them will be quiet difficult and there is discharge plug type plastic thingy under the radiator.will flush the present coolant through there and pour the new one and what if i pour the same coolant in the reserve tank i mean no water ?

    Quote Originally Posted by chaudhary9 View Post
    zic coolant comes already prepared in the ratio of 50:50
    i asked him what if water reduces though coolants hardly get less,he said then dont pour water n instead keep one extra bottle for that
    yr what is the price and are u using it ?? premixed is good thing no hassle of measuring
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