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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by murtazee View Post
    thanks a_n_memon88 and RollOnBigMaMa
    can u confirm price of new one, will these be taken back by the shopkeeper? any repairing or else possibility?
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    New parts dealer wont take back your old shocks but if you go for kabli than they will take back your shocks.

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    guys i am still searching for a mint condition facelift city idsi but to no avail.....i have spent more than 6k worth of petrol searching for a clean city idsi in every nook and corner of lhr. but all cars turned out to be badly repainted or mechanically abused...i cant find even a single car falling upto my standards.... i am regretting that why i have sold my pre facelift city idsi n missing its soundless and comfortable driving experience.... every other day my mom asks me to buy one asap ...although we have three other cars at home but she is very reluctant to drive them as she is also missing the charm of city idsi....moreover we are missing the economy of idsi badly too as there is no cng available if you have any mint ride in sight plz tell me asap.....have mint idsi's gone extinct???

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    As for the trunk you can buy new or kabli. Cost of new one might be 5000-10000 whereas kabli one will be 15000-20000. As for the wheels, check the following things
    Wheel balancing
    Tyre pressure check
    Check if both rear tires have equal wear
    Check brake pads
    Also check if there is any odd bend in the brake lining near rear wheel hubs. Actually sometimes stones hit them and often they hit so hard that they damage brake lines. But do above things first and if the problem is still there than go for this otherwise no need
    I'll post pics of the trunk to get a better opinion about he trunk if repairing would feasible or a replacement
    i'll start with tyre pressure and wear tomorrow
    i beileve there is some alignment of the rear drum brakes could that be a issue ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunhonbun View Post
    guys i am still searching for a mint condition facelift city idsi but to no avail.....i have spent more than 6k worth of petrol searching for a clean city idsi in every nook and corner of lhr. but all cars turned out to be badly repainted or mechanically abused...i cant find even a single car falling upto my standards.... i am regretting that why i have sold my pre facelift city idsi n missing its soundless and comfortable driving experience.... every other day my mom asks me to buy one asap ...although we have three other cars at home but she is very reluctant to drive them as she is also missing the charm of city idsi....moreover we are missing the economy of idsi badly too as there is no cng available if you have any mint ride in sight plz tell me asap.....have mint idsi's gone extinct???
    I am not searching for any of them these days but I saw 2-3 ads in newspaper jang non sunday but they were of 2008 model less than 20k driven but I dont know how was the condition. BTW all I can wish you is good luck for finding one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadsoulsnatcher911 View Post
    I'll post pics of the trunk to get a better opinion about he trunk if repairing would feasible or a replacement
    i'll start with tyre pressure and wear tomorrow
    i beileve there is some alignment of the rear drum brakes could that be a issue ?
    If you are not paranoid with market value I think replacing it with a newer one might be the cheapest solution. Because after the trunk has been dainted it needs to be covered with layer of primer to prevent rust. But what local ustaads do is leave defects while denting than cover them up with heaps of putin than apply primer over it and than paint. And the paint swells with in months elsewhere and within weeks in Karachi

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    I am not searching for any of them these days but I saw 2-3 ads in newspaper jang non sunday but they were of 2008 model less than 20k driven but I dont know how was the condition. BTW all I can wish you is good luck for finding one.
    ahan...strange i didnot come across any such ad although have been scrolling through sunday jang classifieds....they might have been the ones with auto tranny or black in colour ...as wont be buying a black car since already have two black rides in my garage

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    oh pardon memon bro....now i have reread your post ...unfortunately i have been looking only in sunday paper....do you remember the specific date on which the ads were posted?/

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    If you are not paranoid with market value I think replacing it with a newer one might be the cheapest solution. Because after the trunk has been dainted it needs to be covered with layer of primer to prevent rust. But what local ustaads do is leave defects while denting than cover them up with heaps of putin than apply primer over it and than paint. And the paint swells with in months elsewhere and within weeks in Karachi
    Nah not concerened with resale , replacement would be a better idea
    The paint is already swelling in a couple of repainted

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    Hand rest added of original honda city...

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    Hey Everyone, need some expert advise, I bought a 2010 City manual yesterday, is got 34,000 on the meter (only driven on petrol), the guy has been getting it maintained by Honda north (rawalpindi), all oil changes & air filter changes have been made from Honda using their original oil & oil filters, I have been a fan of Caltex Havoline formula series, do you think it will be a good idea to change the oil from Honda's original one to Caltex Havoline formula ? I heard it might impact engine if we change the oil of a car that has been running on some other oil for a long time.. My past experience has also been very bad I would love you input on this

    Also one last thing, its front break pads need first checkup, should I get them checked/replaced from Honda dealership or from local market ? any suggestions for the brand to be used etc ? really appreciate your valued feedback on this

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    Quote Originally Posted by typeN View Post
    aoa to all experts, new members, old members etc etc i need some reviews on my driving style of city o5 vario!!
    so here it goes usually i am cool on roads driving between 70 to 80 km/h but some times taking advantage of vacant road and a little keera with any other driver i press the throttle and let the car go and go touching 110 to 130 km/h as Islamabad roads are usually good to drive on high speeds so i test my car almost every day i get my hands on it so i want to ask the following
    1- when i press the throttle rpm quickly jumps from 1.5 to 3 and so on!! by doing this will it have any damage on gear box
    2-will engine have any damaging stress like giving it a quick paddle as i have 15 inch alloys
    any other valuable thing i missed plz share !!!

    well, every time u even start ur car, it hurts the engine. even at idling, the piston rings lose a fraction of a nanometer or so in every stoke. if u rev the engine, the wear n tear increase. so YES, it WILL hurt the engine but only in long term. like after 200,000kms or so, the engine will start showing signs of wear n tear. its fine in short term though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by murtazee View Post
    yar koi jawab ty dy do
    i ve query above
    two days past no city member gone through this? @ahmadbila, @ rollonbigmama
    sorry sir, i had no information about this so did not respond on time. i havent changed any of the 4 shocks on my car. though they're getting hard too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadsoulsnatcher911 View Post
    Hey guys been a long while since i dropped by
    Le City was borrowed by a friend of my father and got banged from behind so the trunk is now bent so im wondering how much would replacement cost since it was repaired before (god knows how many times) not in favour to repair it
    also the car pulls to the left (from behind) while braking so what could be the possible reason to that ?
    listem to what a_n_memon says. hes right about it. also see if the truck damaged the rear axle, it might be bent a little bit. check for tire tread wear pattern, it should give u clues. if its not symmetrical, theres something wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LionKing View Post
    Guys can anyone confirm if a newer model of city is suppose to launch in April 2013 ? or something like that
    not a new city but may be an improved version, with new tail lights n rear bumper. nothing confirmed yet. chances are low btw.
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    @engrsahab
    wow... gr8 hand rest! long long ago, i saw a similar one on a 03 idsi. where did u get this n for how much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bewareofdevilz View Post
    Hey Everyone, need some expert advise, I bought a 2010 City manual yesterday, is got 34,000 on the meter (only driven on petrol), the guy has been getting it maintained by Honda north (rawalpindi), all oil changes & air filter changes have been made from Honda using their original oil & oil filters, I have been a fan of Caltex Havoline formula series, do you think it will be a good idea to change the oil from Honda's original one to Caltex Havoline formula ? I heard it might impact engine if we change the oil of a car that has been running on some other oil for a long time.. My past experience has also been very bad I would love you input on this

    Also one last thing, its front break pads need first checkup, should I get them checked/replaced from Honda dealership or from local market ? any suggestions for the brand to be used etc ? really appreciate your valued feedback on this
    word of advice, if you're satisfied with the oil. dont switch! im the biggest fan of havoline formula series oils but if honda oemoil is doing gud, no need to change...

    as for the brake pad adjustment job. they dont really need a 'checkup'. i dont know what could go wrong with a brake pad if its of gud quality n installed properly? they keep adjusting themselves as they wear off. the only thing u need to take car of is replace them every 30-35k kms or when they start giving a squealing sound, if thats earlier.
    n for replacement job, some ppl do prefer getting ripped of by the 3S dealers but its quite a simple job, even a moderately experienced desi mechanic can do it for u. rest depends on u...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunhonbun View Post
    guys i am still searching for a mint condition facelift city idsi but to no avail.....i have spent more than 6k worth of petrol searching for a clean city idsi in every nook and corner of lhr. but all cars turned out to be badly repainted or mechanically abused...i cant find even a single car falling upto my standards.... i am regretting that why i have sold my pre facelift city idsi n missing its soundless and comfortable driving experience.... every other day my mom asks me to buy one asap ...although we have three other cars at home but she is very reluctant to drive them as she is also missing the charm of city idsi....moreover we are missing the economy of idsi badly too as there is no cng available if you have any mint ride in sight plz tell me asap.....have mint idsi's gone extinct???
    sent u a PM...
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    thanks mate I think ill stick with the Oil, As far as brakes are concerned, I own almost 3 cars & regularly check the front disk wheel (tava as we call it :p ) & this ones left front tava has some 3-4 deep scratches which made me of the opinion that it might require a pad change (stool job etc but that Ill get done from my local mech.

    Will post some pix soon mate, need your expert advise on the exterior as well, its pearl black color but the previous owner had it parked mostly outdoors & did not get it regularly polished so the color has gone quite dim will get it fully polished but not sure if i should go for Turtle wax or Cutting cream ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
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    wow... gr8 hand rest! long long ago, i saw a similar one on a 03 idsi. where did u get this n for how much?
    Thx ahmad bhai...Got it from a big car parlour shop near my house.The price was very justified 1800rs only better then aftermarket handrest which are of 800rs and look cheap

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    ^^Thats a great deal you struck Engrsahab. Looks way better than aftermarket.

    If you find something similar for city 09, that comes without armrest, do let me know

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