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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CiviC2011 View Post
    Hey hello how many of u pkws have have installed foglights in city 09-13??

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    Yes i installed them in my 2012 city.there were for round about 4000.

    Recently i asked from another shop and the original fog lights costed about 12,000 and the chinese 4000.

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    i want to buy new rotors (brake discs) for my CITY steermatic, any one knows how much pair will cost ?
    vtec roxx!!!!!

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    i want to buy new rotors (brake discs) for my CITY steermatic, any one knows how much pair will cost ?
    vtec roxx!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RL589 View Post
    i want to buy new rotors (brake discs) for my CITY steermatic, any one knows how much pair will cost ?
    Around 4000 per disk. I dont remember but i think 8000rs mein u can get pair of disks or it can be 4000rs per pair. I seem to forget it and its written in previous threads btw as well.

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    Bro i have 4th gen city MT , it is reducing engine oil about 1 liter after 2000 kms , and its check engine light starts just after starting engine and remains on till the engine is start. i went to honda fort(LHR) and they told me to that the engine will be repaired and it will cost 70,000 . i went back . many people suggested me to change the head assembly of engine. suggest me something so my car's engine can last long its just 78,000 kms driven. kindly suggest me something to save my car.
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    Alhamdulillah bara phalta phoolta thread hay ! Search karte karte thak gya but topic na mila =D
    so i'll ask directly here

    I bought a vario 2007 with 60k on odo last week, however, the fuel economy is killing me (9.8kmpl in city driving :-\)

    So i wanna know, is there any checks n procedures to improve it,

    Secondly, ab tak koi aesi CNG kit nahi ayi jo Vario pe sahi se lag jae ?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by venomdesire View Post
    Alhamdulillah bara phalta phoolta thread hay ! Search karte karte thak gya but topic na mila =D
    so i'll ask directly here

    I bought a vario 2007 with 60k on odo last week, however, the fuel economy is killing me (9.8kmpl in city driving :-\)

    So i wanna know, is there any checks n procedures to improve it,

    Secondly, ab tak koi aesi CNG kit nahi ayi jo Vario pe sahi se lag jae ?!
    so u buy a 60k milage car my suggestion is get it done the following thinga asap may be it will help u

    1. oil + oil filter changed
    2. CVT oil
    3. air filter (ORIGINAL)
    4. fuel filter
    5. spark plugs

    it will cost u ..but also help u
    vtec roxx!!!!!

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    No.1 and No. 3 have been done already.
    The uncle whom i bought it from claims that CVT Oil was changed some time back, however, is there any way of knowing k CVT oil ki kia condition hai?

    Furthermore, Fuel Filter ki kia cost hogi? and how to change it (i'm kinda a DIY person )

    and lastly, if very properly installed, would Vario run fine on CNG ?

    Quote Originally Posted by RL589 View Post
    so u buy a 60k milage car my suggestion is get it done the following thinga asap may be it will help u

    1. oil + oil filter changed
    2. CVT oil
    3. air filter (ORIGINAL)
    4. fuel filter
    5. spark plugs

    it will cost u ..but also help u
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    Quote Originally Posted by venomdesire View Post
    No.1 and No. 3 have been done already.
    The uncle whom i bought it from claims that CVT Oil was changed some time back, however, is there any way of knowing k CVT oil ki kia condition hai?

    Furthermore, Fuel Filter ki kia cost hogi? and how to change it (i'm kinda a DIY person )


    and lastly, if very properly installed, would Vario run fine on CNG ?
    fuel filter costs 3750/- approx . love ya th DIY thing coz same here i do it every thing in ma home but for the fuel filter thing u must visit a honda workshot coz its a techinal work to do .

    my 2 friends has vario both r running on petrol , so i cant answer on cng , i myself own a steermatic running on petrol
    vtec roxx!!!!!

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    bro if i take the car to the dealership, they'll charge almost double the amount for the fuel filter, since OEM parts at dealerships are priced very high

    furthermore, can you tell me what approximate milage your friends are getting on their varios? my car is giving around 10km/L and i think its fairly low, since people keep praising vario's fuel economy :-S!

    Quote Originally Posted by RL589 View Post
    fuel filter costs 3750/- approx . love ya th DIY thing coz same here i do it every thing in ma home but for the fuel filter thing u must visit a honda workshot coz its a techinal work to do .

    my 2 friends has vario both r running on petrol , so i cant answer on cng , i myself own a steermatic running on petrol
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChooZaa View Post
    i bought vario 07 which is 45,500km on ODO..can anyone tell me which engine and transmission oil should i use to keep my car healthy?
    As sir incognito said, change the oil asap. use ONLY honda OEM oil. n after this, change after every 35k kms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sk_KingpiN View Post
    hey bro. I'm using genuine honda oil 10w-30 in my city 2010 from the very first day. car has clocked 70k kms. I've heard from some reliable resources that Honda people is providing lowest grade oil to their customers. Is it suitable to switch to Havoline formula from genuine honda oil? Will it harm the engine in any way? Or Should I stick to Honda oil?
    ur car will be okay if u switch to havoline formula. it wont harm the engine so do it! i ve always recommended havoline over honda oil to all the new car owners...
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    Quote Originally Posted by arsalfayyaz View Post
    Bro i have 4th gen city MT , it is reducing engine oil about 1 liter after 2000 kms , and its check engine light starts just after starting engine and remains on till the engine is start. i went to honda fort(LHR) and they told me to that the engine will be repaired and it will cost 70,000 . i went back . many people suggested me to change the head assembly of engine. suggest me something so my car's engine can last long its just 78,000 kms driven. kindly suggest me something to save my car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by venomdesire View Post
    Alhamdulillah bara phalta phoolta thread hay ! Search karte karte thak gya but topic na mila =D
    so i'll ask directly here

    I bought a vario 2007 with 60k on odo last week, however, the fuel economy is killing me (9.8kmpl in city driving :-\)

    So i wanna know, is there any checks n procedures to improve it,

    Secondly, ab tak koi aesi CNG kit nahi ayi jo Vario pe sahi se lag jae ?!

    Thank you sir. pora thread search kr lia ap ny lakin main post ka last portion miss kr gae

    ur car probably needs a tune up. check the main post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by venomdesire View Post
    No.1 and No. 3 have been done already.
    The uncle whom i bought it from claims that CVT Oil was changed some time back, however, is there any way of knowing k CVT oil ki kia condition hai?

    Furthermore, Fuel Filter ki kia cost hogi? and how to change it (i'm kinda a DIY person )

    and lastly, if very properly installed, would Vario run fine on CNG ?


    well, cng on vario has never been reported to be a 100% successful conversion. but the reason is lack of data. theres no one who had a cng vario/steermatic n drove it a lot of miles with care. so cant be sure but i believe it is doable. keep the car properly tuned, idling should be smooth. actually rough engine revolutions send shocks into the transmission n that what kills it. otherwiise, theres no DIRECT connection between the transmission and the fuel used to power the engine. there is a kit called SIS kit. a company named BRC sells it. its totally electronic. that might be ur answer.
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    My car is giving a JERK at low speeds specially after I brake and suddenly put my foot hard on accelerator there is just 1 JERK or maybe 2. What can be the issue. There have been no change of Plug points and THROTTLE BOTTLE cleaning of my car just timely change of air filter/oil filter/transmission oil and engine oil nothing else.

    The JERK is only when the car is HOT i think because today when I was driving for the whole day with AC ON FULL there were no JERKS.

    Car has LOST PICK...


    It was easy in carby cars to tune them What to do with this IDSI engine, I hear people saying efi engines dont need tuning

    HELP

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    Quote Originally Posted by babarhyd View Post
    My car is giving a JERK at low speeds specially after I brake and suddenly put my foot hard on accelerator there is just 1 JERK or maybe 2. What can be the issue. There have been no change of Plug points and THROTTLE BOTTLE cleaning of my car just timely change of air filter/oil filter/transmission oil and engine oil nothing else.

    The JERK is only when the car is HOT i think because today when I was driving for the whole day with AC ON FULL there were no JERKS.

    Car has LOST PICK...


    It was easy in carby cars to tune them What to do with this IDSI engine, I hear people saying efi engines dont need tuning

    HELP
    Sir those people are totally wrong! ALL cars require regular tune ups, doesnt matter if its carby or efi. in ur case, it must be a dieing spark plug or sumthing. get all the regular maintainence mentioned in the main post done asap. if u dont, it will slowly harm ur car n will erode the life of the engine, along with performance...
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    What is the best method to have a smooth shifiting in the new city.??? If i press the accelerator after completely leaving the accelerator the car gives a slight jerk. I have tried pressing th eaccelrating after the ckuth is 75% released but still the car gives a slight jerk. S what is the best cluth/accelrator pressing combo to have a smooth shift??.
    In the aspect the corolla is a much easier car to drive as it gives a more smoother gear changes on normal shifting. On city you have to do some practice to have a smooth gear shift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    well, cng on vario has never been reported to be a 100% successful conversion. but the reason is lack of data. theres no one who had a cng vario/steermatic n drove it a lot of miles with care. so cant be sure but i believe it is doable. keep the car properly tuned, idling should be smooth. actually rough engine revolutions send shocks into the transmission n that what kills it. otherwiise, theres no DIRECT connection between the transmission and the fuel used to power the engine. there is a kit called SIS kit. a company named BRC sells it. its totally electronic. that might be ur answer.
    @ahmadbila:

    Bro i keep my car 100% maintained all the time, and un-even idling on CNG would be a nightmare for me, and i'd get it tuned up asap!
    I get periodic maintenance done on my car and often change filters n oil on 3000 km .
    so i guess if i install the BRC Sequential CNG Kit on my Vario, it would be fine?

    I also see logic in your statement, that no doubt uneven idling and jerks would screw up the tranny, so if everything goes smoothly, it would all be working good for years to come.

    Do you know of any member who's running this kit on their Vario without problems?
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    I am gonna go for engine replacement from L12 Idsi to L15 VTEC. If vtec automatic trans is compatible with my vario than great else will shift to manual.

    Reason for engine replacement is only going for more power.

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