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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
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    Though the queries have already been replied to a certain extent but still, here is some of my thing on topic:

    1- You did a great job indeed, our local mechanics consider it about as useful as a horse in water polo but the reality is otherwise. Well its quite realistic for a clogged filter to reduce air flow but for a new one, well I hope you installed it properly. You need to break the little square pieces off of the tray that houses the filter for proper flow. It will still retard the air flow but not to an extent that one starts regretting the filter installation (lol).

    The company guys suck as I may put it. They don't even know of a way to replenish the radiator in this model. The guy I went to brought a toilet lota for the purpose but he failed cz the lota won't fit in that place enough to pour the water in.

    Khair, the actual topic; One of the very obvious thing thats gonna happen is the dirt traveling with in the air ducts. But what most of us fail to realize is the painful part of it: Dirt flowing inside the system with AC on.

    The AC fins which provide us with cooling inside get wet due to the process of condensation as most of us know. The dirt and the dust "sticks" to the wet fin and turns into sort of "mini mud".

    Even when we turn off the AC, the dirt stuck there does dry up but doesn't break off. It slowly builds up and within a year or so of strenuous AC usage, the fins are already clogged enough to retard the air flow MORE than a clogged air filter.

    They can be replaced easily with a cost of 2k Rs or so with labor but that requires the whole system to be opened and flushed which I guess is torture for a new car.

    Moreover, no mechanic, not even the triple $hit workshops can make the AC work like OEM.

    2: I shouldn't matter unless the filter decides to flutter with the air flow. If it doesn't seem to be a problem, I'd say go on with it. Don't do anything unless really required.
    thanks for the reply. yes i have already broken the plastic square pieces today, cleaned the air filter with the blower and fixed it back in. the catch i tried to fix with elfi but i wasnt too hopeful, and exactly that happened and it broke again. even with one catch it fits perfectly well in the car, so no issues.

    i agree with ur theory of having the air filter, but i put on this filter after like using the car for 3 to 4 months without the filter. i hope no damage might have been done becuase of that. do i need to get it checked ?

    PS : by the way i called the Honda showroom to get the price of the tray IF i want to get a new one because of the broken catch, and guess what, its for friggin 2990 rupees......can u believe it.....a simple empty hollow plastic tray for 3k ? lol...we sure are stuck with these bums in this country

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    I see people discussing the importance of air filter in the a/c system. Nice discussion. I ll like to add my opinion into it too.

    I bought my car brand new in 2006 and never knew about the existance of that filter tray uptill 2009 or 10 i guess. i still didnt get it because i was aware that it would reduce the 'throw' of the blower. anyways, the first time i ever got my a/c completely serviced was in June 2012. in these 6 yrs, got this https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1 done 2 or 3 times but nothing else. even in 2012, i got the service done because the clutch in the compressor that engages the a/c malfunctioned somehow (nothing to do with the air filter, offcourse). So, the conculsion i ve drawn from my experience is that NOT having an air filter should not normally bring any harm to the a/c system. it would, however, increase the number of a/c services u need to give to the car in a few years. i didnt put the filter n got the mess cleaned through other ways (in that thread above) if i had the filter, that process wont be needed but filter would need to be changed frequent (which is much easier done)

    Now, the question is, WHY did i acted in such a not-recommended method and did not install the filter? the answer is, because my car is driven a lot, daily. more then 100kms. n most of that are short trips of no more then 3-5kms. if the filter was installed, the cooling would slow down n in 3-5kms, there would hardly be any cooling at all. n that is a big problem when u are driving in direct sunlight with 48 degree heat outside.

    So, my recommendation. If u dont drive much or if u live in larger citys (long driving distances) or if u drive ur cars mostly on long, inter city journeys, get the filter installed. otherwise, consider the other option.
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    Wanted to Give a Little Input about the i-DSI's Cabin Air Filter, So, Done a little Digging Especially for all i-DSI Owners!

    Quote Originally Posted by Skt_Z4 View Post
    Hi Salman Bhai ! Yarr Sorry For the Late Reply! Actually City was extensively Used in Previous Days & Also I was Busy in my Routines! So Here We Go!!
    This video will show how to operate the Below Glove Box to get Access to AC Blower!
    Cabin air filter replacement- Honda Fit - YouTube
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    In the Video You'll see the Tray type Thingy which Holds the Filter Which is'nt Present in 08 City. Its totally fixed. I've Boxed it in Red.

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    The ONly Filter type thing is the Foam through which the Air of the Blower Passes Through! The Arrows are Showing Air From Blower.
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    No Air Filter
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    I Believe the Filter's will holded by the Corners & For this You Should have to Open up the whole AC setup.
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    Unfortunately the YouTube isn't workin here, So here are the Pics of City's Hatch Ver. i.e. Fit's Cabin Air Filter for Idea & Comparison! That if their would be some Air FIlter then it would had some Kind of Tray, But it's totally closed!
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    Alright guys, here i am with another update of my car. The control arms (Chimtay) of the car were completely dead for some time now but i was driving it as it was due to shortage of time (exams closing in ) and because the car itself puts a lot of mileage on it daily, so getting it a few hours off is not easy. however, some time ago, the front left side control arm ball joint started singing the song of its people (tak tak, tuk tuk) while turning. from that moment, i knew i had to do sumthing about it. so, desperate times calls for desperate measures. i called a friend in lahore, asked him to buy a pair of OEM kabuli control arms n ship them to me. he himself was busy so he couldnt do it. the only option that i had in my mind was to get kabuli parts. why? because i had after market chimtas in the car and they suck badly! theres only 1 quality aftermarket arms available n thats chinese (worst quality, sadly i didnt know it when i bought them) brand new OEM arms cost like 9k pkr each!! 18-19k for this job was way out of my budget. the only option left was to get kabuli stuff.


    anyways, just 3-4 days ago, i got a call from @mahmood bhai and discussed it with him. pehle tou onho nay meri bisti ki k mujhy ik boht he important bat ka pata he nai tha then he told me that ball joints are sold seperately too (just like bushes) and can be fitted into the arm perfectly. he also sent me a few links to international forums where people were doing the same to their high end cars. that confirmed that its not a "jugaar" or desi totka. its a PROPER fix.


    Luckily, i had my OEM control arms lying around under my bed i had them ever since i got them off of my car back in late 2011. i picked them up, put them into the trunk of the car, we to the best honda parts supplier in Sargodha and bought the best quality ball joints available. They are made in Japan and one can feel the quality by their weight. each piece weights a kilo or so. cost was 2200rs (compare this to 3000rs for complete 2 chinese control arms) then i went to a mechanic, got the current arms taken out of the suspension, inspected their bushes, thankfully, they were fine because they were changed in last december and were top quality ones (RBI, 1200rs) so i got the bushes transfered from chinese arms to oem arms and ball joints fixed into the oem arms too. now, what i had in hand were brand new control arms for a total price of just 2800rs (2200rs ball joints + 300rs labor + 300rs kharaad) got them fitted back in and voilaa.. all sounds gone! ride becomes more predictable and solid. im loving it!


    all of the above would sound like a mess to most people who dont drive their cars much but thats how a high mileage, daily driven work horse is to be maintained on a budget. This was the best value for money. n all the work was done in front of my eyes. so, im confident about it.


    here are some pix for u guys to see. and special thanks to @mahmood bhai for increasing my knowledge

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    The new ball joint installed in the OEM control arms and the process being done at kharaadiya place. The rubber part fits perfectly on its place and is flexible. this helps keep the grease from being washed away.
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    and this is the condition of the chinese control arm's ball joint! its a mess!!! completely dead!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    and this is the condition of the chinese control arm's ball joint! its a mess!!! completely dead!
    I read somewhere that a special grease is to be used for outer and inner CV joints and control arm ball joints. Which grease was used by your mechanic, the ordinary one or special one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Alright guys, here i am with another update of my car. The control arms (Chimtay) of the car were completely dead for some time now but i was driving it as it was due to shortage of time (exams closing in ) and because the car itself puts a lot of mileage on it daily, so getting it a few hours off is not easy. however, some time ago, the front left side control arm ball joint started singing the song of its people (tak tak, tuk tuk) while turning. from that moment, i knew i had to do sumthing about it. so, desperate times calls for desperate measures. i called a friend in lahore, asked him to buy a pair of OEM kabuli control arms n ship them to me. he himself was busy so he couldnt do it. the only option that i had in my mind was to get kabuli parts. why? because i had after market chimtas in the car and they suck badly! theres only 1 quality aftermarket arms available n thats chinese (worst quality, sadly i didnt know it when i bought them) brand new OEM arms cost like 9k pkr each!! 18-19k for this job was way out of my budget. the only option left was to get kabuli stuff.


    anyways, just 3-4 days ago, i got a call from @mahmood bhai and discussed it with him. pehle tou onho nay meri bisti ki k mujhy ik boht he important bat ka pata he nai tha then he told me that ball joints are sold seperately too (just like bushes) and can be fitted into the arm perfectly. he also sent me a few links to international forums where people were doing the same to their high end cars. that confirmed that its not a "jugaar" or desi totka. its a PROPER fix.


    Luckily, i had my OEM control arms lying around under my bed i had them ever since i got them off of my car back in late 2011. i picked them up, put them into the trunk of the car, we to the best honda parts supplier in Sargodha and bought the best quality ball joints available. They are made in Japan and one can feel the quality by their weight. each piece weights a kilo or so. cost was 2200rs (compare this to 3000rs for complete 2 chinese control arms) then i went to a mechanic, got the current arms taken out of the suspension, inspected their bushes, thankfully, they were fine because they were changed in last december and were top quality ones (RBI, 1200rs) so i got the bushes transfered from chinese arms to oem arms and ball joints fixed into the oem arms too. now, what i had in hand were brand new control arms for a total price of just 2800rs (2200rs ball joints + 300rs labor + 300rs kharaad) got them fitted back in and voilaa.. all sounds gone! ride becomes more predictable and solid. im loving it!


    all of the above would sound like a mess to most people who dont drive their cars much but thats how a high mileage, daily driven work horse is to be maintained on a budget. This was the best value for money. n all the work was done in front of my eyes. so, im confident about it.


    here are some pix for u guys to see. and special thanks to @mahmood bhai for increasing my knowledge

    the ball joint
    Excellent! I was looking to buy OEM chimtas for the car. The bushes and the ball joints both are almost gone, though thankfully they don't sing (yet) but I can feel the car to be funny at times.

    Would be going for a complete overhaul, rubber to rubber, joint to joint; preferably with oem parts if the dents in the wallet are repairable.

    Thanks a lot for the wonderful share. Btw, you get em from that niazi guy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KLINCH View Post
    i use that hex tool or in desi words " aath ki ti tami" ... i tried with a big philips screw driver but those we tight badly...
    no problemo i will share a pic soon but that is led not bulb... an whaatttt.... wiring is already there... baa bat butttt i cant see any wiring at speakers place ... mine is 2006 idsi.. can u please guide me where r those wires at the back...
    Here are some tricks on how to find those wrings inside your trunk.

    In the top right corner of the trunk, you'll find this grip:

    Honda City Fan Club -1166156

    This picture is a bit "NOT CLEAR" as the wirings coming out of this grip cannot be seen. If you look carefully in your car, there will be "four" wires that are going in but aren't coming out to anything. Those are your speaker wires.

    -Blue black
    -Blue white
    -Blue yellow
    -Pink.

    Frankly speaking, I have no idea which is positive or negative since the color coding is a bit complicated for a non electronics guy. I detected them via hit and trial.

    To install the speakers, you need to get the rear seat removed. I did all of it by myself but I suggest you get it done from a mechanic since its a pain staking task and you might break a plastic panel while doing that.


    Still, if you want or anybody wants, I can prepare a full guide on how to remove the back seat properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Sorry bro, at least I never tried doing this to my car, yet. But I hope you did manage to take the carpet out after all. Any updates? Seems as if its stuck or may be there is a fastener somewhere near that point. It isn't possible that air box was installed "on" the carpet.
    I fitted car and couldn't remove carpet.
    http://www.pakwheels.com/forumreply_az_TopicID!69127~ForumID!1~Page!2~pw.html

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    So gurus and expert ASSALAM O ALAIKUM
    hitted with an another problem in my city 05 is the sound of break booster.Change all break pads yesterday discs and drum but some clinch clinch noise is still there on pressing brake is it dangerous?Searched on internet some ppl says that maybe brake booster problem slams ur cars into another,sometime break will not work.What should i do carry on with or work with it

    p.S kitne ka karcha hai yaar ab

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    I read somewhere that a special grease is to be used for outer and inner CV joints and control arm ball joints. Which grease was used by your mechanic, the ordinary one or special one.
    First, the joints came with the grease in them already. the mechanic did not put any grease. and secondly, the special grease is required only for cv joints because they rotate very fast n a liquid/paste type of grease is required for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Excellent! I was looking to buy OEM chimtas for the car. The bushes and the ball joints both are almost gone, though thankfully they don't sing (yet) but I can feel the car to be funny at times.

    Would be going for a complete overhaul, rubber to rubber, joint to joint; preferably with oem parts if the dents in the wallet are repairable.

    Thanks a lot for the wonderful share. Btw, you get em from that niazi guy?

    Yar long ago, in 2009 i guess, the cost of ONE OEM control arm was 9000rs. by now, it should be atleast 12k or more. offcourse, nothing would be better then OEM stuff but u gotta have the bills justified. i cant spend that much every 2nd year (i mean there are other parts requiring change too) because of the high mileage.

    its always recommended to get the complete suspension overhaul done at once (not bit by bit like i did). because, u must ve heard the famous saying "A chain is only as strong as the weakest link" if ur control arms and assembly is new but shock absorbers are old, they ll put extra strain on the new parts too, hence reducing their life. so, do discuss it with me before u get the work done.

    n yes, i get all the parts from that niazi auto guys. someday when we meet again, i ll tell u an old, interesting story about him on the dinner table
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    Quote Originally Posted by Engrsahab760 View Post
    So gurus and expert ASSALAM O ALAIKUM
    hitted with an another problem in my city 05 is the sound of break booster.Change all break pads yesterday discs and drum but some clinch clinch noise is still there on pressing brake is it dangerous?Searched on internet some ppl says that maybe brake booster problem slams ur cars into another,sometime break will not work.What should i do carry on with or work with it

    p.S kitne ka karcha hai yaar ab

    i ve never had any issues with the brake boosters so cant say but i dont think booster issue would produce that kind os squealing sound. do u feel any kind of irregularity in the brakes? does the car stop fine? i believe u have metallic dust on ur pads or ur brake rotors need polishing. they must have developed groves in them. if the brakes work fine, keep them using as they are for some time, hopefully, the pads will adjust to the rotors and the noise will vanish.
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    I have changed the gasket bcoz of heating issue.serviced the radiator too..The heating issue is solved bt now it is making alot of noises from engine and it takes time to shift gears(auto).mechanic said me that the noises are frm power pump..help me find out a good mechanic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Here are some tricks on how to find those wrings inside your trunk.

    In the top right corner of the trunk, you'll find this grip:


    This picture is a bit "NOT CLEAR" as the wirings coming out of this grip cannot be seen. If you look carefully in your car, there will be "four" wires that are going in but aren't coming out to anything. Those are your speaker wires.

    -Blue black
    -Blue white
    -Blue yellow
    -Pink.

    Frankly speaking, I have no idea which is positive or negative since the color coding is a bit complicated for a non electronics guy. I detected them via hit and trial.

    To install the speakers, you need to get the rear seat removed. I did all of it by myself but I suggest you get it done from a mechanic since its a pain staking task and you might break a plastic panel while doing that.


    Still, if you want or anybody wants, I can prepare a full guide on how to remove the back seat properly.

    oooo soo there they are.... maan i just laid wires (under the carpet) from unit to the speakers ...lol....n that made me sweat from top to toe...... oooo man... i wish i shuld have asked u before... any how.. that was a great hack... i have tried earlier to hack in to the trunk wiring but i ignore the socket.. crack the black coating n peel the wiring to find the purple and blue wires.. but buuttttt.. well atleast now i know...

    about the wiring issue...black strips are the -ve ones... and according to manual rear speaker wires are Purple n Purple black , Blue and Blue black.
    and sorry big mama... i will upload the pics soon ... pics are in my cell but data cable mis-place..

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    Quote Originally Posted by suhaibsalam View Post
    Salam..
    I have changed the gasket bcoz of heating issue.serviced the radiator too..The heating issue is solved bt now it is making alot of noises from engine and it takes time to shift gears(auto).mechanic said me that the noises are frm power pump..help me find out a good mechanic.
    whats a "power pump" ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    whats a "power pump" ?
    I think he meant to say power steering pump

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