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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    lol @ Italian tuning
    This name was introduced to me by master Xulfiqar

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    salam to all honda city lovers...i have honda city 2005 IDSI, actually problem ye hay kal evening tak meri city bilkul theek thak thi..k achanak battery ki jo red light hoti hay wo on hogae. may apnay aik friend mechanic k pass gaya us nay batter ki dono wire check ki to plus wire loose thi...usko tight kr ny k bad may wapis ghar ki taraf rawana ho gaya aor aik 10 mint k bad wo light off ho gae (means problem solved)..but sham ko aik 3 hour k bad jab dobara car start ki to phir wohe problem ...aor phir aik 5 - 10 mint k bad light off hogae..problem has once again solved..aj subha may office gaya to sab kuch theek tha..bus wapis ghar aya ..aor sham ko dobara start ki to phir wohe problem aor aik 4 mint k bad phir battery ki light off ho gae...what is this yar...? ap k khayal may kia masla ho sakta hay? can any one help me out plz...

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    Might be battery is dying or generator is not charging battery properly.

    Kisi dosri gari ke battery laga kar check kar lo ya apni battery, battery walay say check aur charge be karwa lo.

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    thanks for early response...but i dono k agar generator may problem hy to chahiy k bilkul charge he na kry..aor agar battery may problem hay to phir to switch (Self) b nahe marna chahiy..but aj subha b jab car start ki to koi masla nahe kia..battery ki light b off thi ..aor car b bilkul theek thaak office tak ... yahe to masla hy in used cars may..new new hoti hay yar..anyway ..once again thanks..i will concern with my mechanic as well..

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    ahmed bhai. came here to forum after like a month. thanks for ur concern and reply. Well I went to a local mechanic the next day. You will find it quiet amusing. It turned out to be wheals that were giving riksha like sound. the mechanic drove it himself and then opened up all the four wheals. cleaned them with "Raigmaal". And the sound went off. It was exactly like the sound of a riksha. I was so worried then. Thanx God everything went right in 500/=.
    Now the interesting part. This sound appeared exactly after one week of 40000 km routine maintenance checkup from Honda guys. Its a shame for them. Everything was OK, it were they who made things wrong for Rs. 22000/=.

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    has anyone ever heard complaints of decrease in mileage after 50000 km in new city. I have heard it from quite a few friends. i am also experiencing a substantial decrease in mileage in city drive but a slight one on highways. Like around 5000 km meter reading it was giving me 17 km in city drive and max 21 km on highway (while keeping foot a bit light). Now with mileage meter reading of 41000 km, it is giving me 12.5 km in city drive and max 18.5 km on highway. Is it a common thing? if not then what might be going wrong. and how can i get it back on track? Please don't tell me to go to Honda 3S MFs. Oh forgot to tell that it is on Petrol since day 1 and it is 2010 model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rnasim73 View Post
    jnab city hi li thi na koi Raksha per to city nahi likha hoa tha
    there are millions honda citys are on road and we all fans also having
    you are the only one having this unidentified problems

    we are Honda lovers don't break our hearts
    Dear. I went to a local mechanic the next day. You will find it quiet amusing. It turned out to be wheals that were giving riksha like sound. the mechanic drove it himself and then opened up all the four wheals. cleaned them with "Raigmaal". And the sound went off. It was exactly like the sound of a riksha. I was so worried then. Thanx God everything went right in 500/=.
    Now the interesting part. This sound appeared exactly after one week of 40000 km routine maintenance checkup from Honda guys. Its a shame for them. Everything was OK, it were they who made things wrong for Rs. 22000/=.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifaa View Post
    lolzzzz
    in honda city fan club u said do go for city lolzzzz
    sara pakistan use kar raha ha apko koi aleda hi prob ha lolzzz
    Agree boss. saara Pakistan use kar raha hai par saara Pakistan Honda 3S nahin ja raha aur main ja raha tha. thats why I sufferedand the whole Pakistan didnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    Either your cars manifold gasket is gone or somehow your one of the dholkis got damaged.
    thanx bro for your reply. No it turned out to be the problem in wheals. thanx God it is ok now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    thanks for the response bro...i heard they charge around 20k for 20k checkup...is it true ????
    Well they charged me around 7000/= for 20K and 22000/= for 40K. I would suggest to find out what they exactly do in 20K. then have it done from somewhere else. will never suggest u going for Honda 3S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidims View Post
    ahmed bhai. came here to forum after like a month. thanks for ur concern and reply. Well I went to a local mechanic the next day. You will find it quiet amusing. It turned out to be wheals that were giving riksha like sound. the mechanic drove it himself and then opened up all the four wheals. cleaned them with "Raigmaal". And the sound went off. It was exactly like the sound of a riksha. I was so worried then. Thanx God everything went right in 500/=.
    Now the interesting part. This sound appeared exactly after one week of 40000 km routine maintenance checkup from Honda guys. Its a shame for them. Everything was OK, it were they who made things wrong for Rs. 22000/=. F*** them.

    ahh!! these authorized stealers!! i ve had similar experience with them. i would rather not talk about it because i dont want to spend the rest of my day with my mood off!!!! im glad u realize that sometimes, the gud old desi mechanics are not too bad afterall... and if u find a reliable mechanic who has some latest technical know-how, then u have nothing to worry about.

    as for ur mileage issue, no i havent heard about any such issues. have u changed the air filter and plugs? got tappet adjustment/valve clearence done? at that much mileage, ur car needs all that... n it should improve the mileage AND performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidims View Post
    Paiyaan. pehli baat aap shayed pehle mechanic rahe honge jo aap ko pata ho ga ke aap ki gaadi main kya masla hai. main mechanic nahin raha lekin driving cars for like 10 years. if i knew what the problem was, i would have fixed it up myself. i had done 40k routine checkup from Honda 3S MFs. After a few days it started giving me riksha sounds. Everything was OK before that 40k checkup. Now what is wrong on my end?

    Secondly, when you type your reply, don't display your broughtup here. there are people around who have been brought up in good hands. agar tum apni baaji ko jahez main nayi gaadi bhi do tou main phir bhi us se shadi nahin karunga. coz i will go for a decent respectable girl and a decent respectable family.
    Nahee main mechanic nahi raaha, but I am better than mechanics out there, the little knowledge I have, I am proud of it Alhamdolillah. I tell my mechanics whats wrong with the vehicle and they fix it properly, I observe them closely where they're going wrong, I point them out. My cars are much better than the ones kept like shehnshah vehicles which go to over-expensive AUNDA all the time for maintenance even after mileages exceeding 200k km.

    That's what the actual point was - you lack the knowledge about your own car, you will have problems and will have to go to mechanics frequently, therefore abusing aunda and telling people not to buy this teen dabba whatever is not gonna be the solution. THAT's WRONG on your end, rather than asking for a solution or something, you're telling people not to buy bleep bleep bleep.
    Someone misguided you about aunda 3s being angels who turn your car into friggin awesome machines every 40k km.

    AS I said privately, you got the $$$ to go for a better machine - do it, otherwise your pointless crap jibber jabber is of absolutely no use. People are better off without your suggestions here, make a positive contribution if you are capable of.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidims View Post
    Agree boss. saara Pakistan use kar raha hai par saara Pakistan Honda 3S nahin ja raha aur main ja raha tha. thats why I sufferedand the whole Pakistan didnt.
    Sir my 75k kms clocked 2010 City has been thoroughly maintained from Honda classic ISB. My car is going strong M.A. I have never faced any issue with them. All you need is to stand on their heads and get your work done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RN427 View Post
    @huzaifa: Phir agar itni nafrat hai Silver se to phir kyun li hai...White le lete...White ke mohabbati!!!

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    apni okat me raho
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    ya bas yehi sekhaya k din rat SILVER ko chatna ha bas?
    i do own silver but it doesnt mean k din rat subah sham har thread me silver silver hi likhta rahu
    some 1 well said
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    so plz b carefull quoting me next time like this other wise me ny apko hi silver kar dena ha got it
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    Quote Originally Posted by RN427 View Post
    @huzaifa: Phir agar itni nafrat hai Silver se to phir kyun li hai...White le lete...White ke mohabbati!!!

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    Huzaifa Puttar ab White ka zamana chala gaya hai...Silver is a new generation colour aur main apne dil baat tujhe bata raha hoon Silver suits CITY VTEC more than White...White mein City Paindoo lagti hai!!!

    Maan le bhaiya!!!
    Why RN427 Says ALLLL THE TIME about SILLVEEEEER COLOR?? Cuz his Getup is Like this: Hahahahahah!!!!!
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    RN427 Saying: I told ya MANNN, Only SILVER is for the Cars, Others are Trash,Bob!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sk_KingpiN View Post
    Sir my 75k kms clocked 2010 City has been thoroughly maintained from Honda classic ISB. My car is going strong M.A. I have never faced any issue with them. All you need is to stand on their heads and get your work done.
    hahhaha lolzzz at rickshaw i had experienced hell number of cities un me sy koi richsaw ki awazen ni deti thi
    U can only stand on their heads for guidance if u urself know something about the prob
    rickshaw wala prob tha rickshaw k mechanic k pas hi theak hona tha na honda 3s waly kiya karty
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    Pakistan needs MaSsive Over-HAULING!! So either stay or Just Leave it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidims View Post
    Paiyaan. pehli baat aap shayed pehle mechanic rahe honge jo aap ko pata ho ga ke aap ki gaadi main kya masla hai. main mechanic nahin raha lekin driving cars for like 10 years. if i knew what the problem was, i would have fixed it up myself. i had done 40k routine checkup from Honda 3S MFs. After a few days it started giving me riksha sounds. Everything was OK before that 40k checkup. Now what is wrong on my end?

    Secondly, when you type your reply, don't display your broughtup here. there are people around who have been brought up in good hands. agar tum apni baaji ko jahez main nayi gaadi bhi do tou main phir bhi us se shadi nahin karunga. coz i will go for a decent respectable girl and a decent respectable family.
    r u sure u r 1 of those?
    he didnt say any thing wrong/personal about u but u did , so this was ur so called repectable families u were talking about,
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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidims View Post
    Paiyaan. pehli baat aap shayed pehle mechanic rahe honge jo aap ko pata ho ga ke aap ki gaadi main kya masla hai. main mechanic nahin raha lekin driving cars for like 10 years. if i knew what the problem was, i would have fixed it up myself. i had done 40k routine checkup from Honda 3S MFs. After a few days it started giving me riksha sounds. Everything was OK before that 40k checkup. Now what is wrong on my end?

    Secondly, when you type your reply, don't display your broughtup here. there are people around who have been brought up in good hands. agar tum apni baaji ko jahez main nayi gaadi bhi do tou main phir bhi us se shadi nahin karunga. coz i will go for a decent respectable girl and a decent respectable family.
    Thats Really not Good at all! You Shouldn't got Personal & Use Such Low Life Language! You've Bznz with him, so deal with him, not someone else!
    Pakistan needs MaSsive Over-HAULING!! So either stay or Just Leave it!!

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    Guys, what the heck is going on here? come on, lets behave according to our ages... all of us!
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