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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    @ waleed80 : So how much did you pay for your 20k service? Did u go to Honda Classic I-10? My city has done 17k and my trip to Honda isn't far away now. How was the condition of spark plugs? At 10k service, they appeared ok.<dl class="userinfo_extra"><dd> </dd></dl>

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    thats one lickable engine bay..Kudos....means i HAVE to meet u in Haripur this time mind doing the same stuff on my car
    @ALL
    Update : i took my car for its 20,000 inspection to Honda guys yesterday. got the routine service done including oil change, oil filter change, brake service, lubes checking etc etc and throttle body service. the throttle body was very very dirty. after that, they tuned the car back with the computerized system with their Honda diagnostics software. the car feels a little lighter on the throttle now and specially the behaviour on low RPMs has improved manifolds.....AND...and this one is a BIG AND...the wwoossshhhh sound complain which i made a page or two back while shifting gears, is gone. i have no idea how and wat, but yes its gone completely, no matter at what RPM i change the gear now. i wonder wat was it about in the first place
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    Quote Originally Posted by aakbar View Post
    @ waleed80 : So how much did you pay for your 20k service? Did u go to Honda Classic I-10? My city has done 17k and my trip to Honda isn't far away now. How was the condition of spark plugs? At 10k service, they appeared ok.<dl class="userinfo_extra"><dd> </dd></dl>
    all in all, i paid 5,650 i guess...i went to Honda Pindi cause i live right next to the workshop. about the plugs, no they dont even open the plugs @20 thousand inspection...plugs are opened at 40,000, cleaned and put back in....then on 80 thousand inspection, they are changed.

    PS : i didnt change air filter cause i put another one @15000 inspection and as it is supposed to change at every 10k, i will be changing it @25000 inspection. you wud have to add around 1400 (i guess) in my amount for ur car for the air filter replacement

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    all in all, i paid 5,650 i guess...i went to Honda Pindi cause i live right next to the workshop. about the plugs, no they dont even open the plugs @20 thousand inspection...plugs are opened at 40,000, cleaned and put back in....then on 80 thousand inspection, they are changed.

    PS : i didnt change air filter cause i put another one @15000 inspection and as it is supposed to change at every 10k, i will be changing it @25000 inspection. you wud have to add around 1400 (i guess) in my amount for ur car for the air filter replacement
    My car's plugs were opened and cleaned at 10k service. I don't remember what the service manual says about plugs, but I thought they clean the tip of the plugs every 10k kms since those plugs are replaced after 100k mileage. Same about the airfilter. At 10k, service, Honday guy told me that the air filter is not too bad so replace it at 15k instead. Rs. 5,650 seems not too bad

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    as per the service manual, plugs are not to be opened at 10k i dont know why they opened the plugs, however, its good to have them cleaned periodically

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    Hello everybody,
    This sunday, while driving on motorway at speed of 140 km/h (in very hot condition at around 12pm) the AC of my City Vario (2006) suddently stopped working after 1 hr of travel. I stopped the car without switcing off the engine and AC started working again after 5 min rest. I was on Motorway once again on same speed in same condition and same problem arise once again after about an hour. i repeated the same procedure and AC started working again and I continued my journey in same condition but this time limit my speed at 110-120 KM/h and AC worked fine for remaining 2.5 hrs. Coolent level found ok. No issue with fans, they are in right working condition.
    I never experienced this thing before, even driving in Lahore city and it is still working absolutely fine in my regular use (I drive on motorway daily for 30 min.).
    What do u guys think about it? What should I do to address this problem (except avoiding travel in hot condition and limiting speed at 120km/h )

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    you found the cure. dont overspeed ur car seems to be an educated good-boy car...reacts badly when overspeeding hope it wasnt previously owned by some motorway police inspector

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    @all
    so here is my query...
    1. got my car's 20k service yesterday, and till now plugs havent been opened to be cleaned. what is the recommended procedure ? shall i open them myself and get them cleaned ?

    2. what about coolant ? the guy told me yesterday that the coolant level in my car was less and that a bottle costs 760 or something, but as they always sell such items way too expensive, i told him not to. so please guide which coolant to put from open market, plus, how is it supposed to be used. diluted, undiluted etc etc...whats the ratio IF diluted. in my previous ride (Platz) which i kept for 4 years, i never ever put coolant in it and it worked flawlessly always. please guide

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    Liquimouli (spelling may be wrong) is good option in coolent. It is pre-mixed ready to use coolent so u don't need to worry about it. new vehicles dont need coolent refill for years but loosing some quantity of coolent is normal with growing age. If coolent loss is high, leakage should be checked and fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheikh_wah View Post
    Liquimouli (spelling may be wrong) is good option in coolent. It is pre-mixed ready to use coolent so u don't need to worry about it. new vehicles dont need coolent refill for years but loosing some quantity of coolent is normal with growing age. If coolent loss is high, leakage should be checked and fixed.
    purchased my car last year, zero meter, even then its level is less despite no leakage even. however, i will refill it still

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheikh_wah View Post
    Hello everybody,
    This sunday, while driving on motorway at speed of 140 km/h (in very hot condition at around 12pm) the AC of my City Vario (2006) suddently stopped working after 1 hr of travel. I stopped the car without switcing off the engine and AC started working again after 5 min rest. I was on Motorway once again on same speed in same condition and same problem arise once again after about an hour. i repeated the same procedure and AC started working again and I continued my journey in same condition but this time limit my speed at 110-120 KM/h and AC worked fine for remaining 2.5 hrs. Coolent level found ok. No issue with fans, they are in right working condition.
    I never experienced this thing before, even driving in Lahore city and it is still working absolutely fine in my regular use (I drive on motorway daily for 30 min.).
    What do u guys think about it? What should I do to address this problem (except avoiding travel in hot condition and limiting speed at 120km/h )
    Were you travelling to lahore, if yes than on sunday at around 12pm the temperature was around 45 degrees. So in such heat the heat on M-2 is a lot more and the road temperatures rise. As you were driving at 140km/hr the car was already in a high load state with added load of AC the temperature went too hot in your engine bay.

    Now there are 2 causes of compressor shutting off
    1 your engine temperature rose to a certain level that to save the engine the ecu had to shut off the compressor
    2 your compressor became overheated due to not being able to maintain adequate cooling and running continuously for an hour

    What was your AC thermostat kept at.

    last june in 48 degrees I travelled all the way from lahore to karachi and at times the temperatures even touched 50 degrees. I kept the thermostat all the way around 3 and the speed was around 100km/h that way the car really cooled nice and my stay was at RYK even than the car AC worked properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    purchased my car last year, zero meter, even then its level is less despite no leakage even. however, i will refill it still
    If the level is slightly less like around 100-200 ml than fill it with distilled water no need to buy any coolant. As mixing 2 different varieties of coolant can cause problems due to different compositions

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    Quote Originally Posted by fahadsoulsnatcher911 View Post
    MashAllah that is one clean engine bay (Y)
    Any updates on your cars bodywork job

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    Were you travelling to lahore, if yes than on sunday at around 12pm the temperature was around 45 degrees. So in such heat the heat on M-2 is a lot more and the road temperatures rise. As you were driving at 140km/hr the car was already in a high load state with added load of AC the temperature went too hot in your engine bay.

    Now there are 2 causes of compressor shutting off
    1 your engine temperature rose to a certain level that to save the engine the ecu had to shut off the compressor
    2 your compressor became overheated due to not being able to maintain adequate cooling and running continuously for an hour

    What was your AC thermostat kept at.

    last june in 48 degrees I travelled all the way from lahore to karachi and at times the temperatures even touched 50 degrees. I kept the thermostat all the way around 3 and the speed was around 100km/h that way the car really cooled nice and my stay was at RYK even than the car AC worked properly
    I have the answer for that. At standstill when u turn ur ac on the load on engine is increased to 47% as seen through obd scanner. Now if ur driving at speeds of 140 and yet u have ac on the ecu will shut off the ac no matter the temperature as the load will exceed to 80 to 90%. And as a precaution sudden acceleration and at speeds above 140 the vario's ac turns off by default. Have experienced it hundreds of times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheikh_wah View Post
    Hello everybody,
    This sunday, while driving on motorway at speed of 140 km/h (in very hot condition at around 12pm) the AC of my City Vario (2006) suddently stopped working after 1 hr of travel. I stopped the car without switcing off the engine and AC started working again after 5 min rest. I was on Motorway once again on same speed in same condition and same problem arise once again after about an hour. i repeated the same procedure and AC started working again and I continued my journey in same condition but this time limit my speed at 110-120 KM/h and AC worked fine for remaining 2.5 hrs. Coolent level found ok. No issue with fans, they are in right working condition.
    I never experienced this thing before, even driving in Lahore city and it is still working absolutely fine in my regular use (I drive on motorway daily for 30 min.).
    What do u guys think about it? What should I do to address this problem (except avoiding travel in hot condition and limiting speed at 120km/h )
    most probably ur ac condensor is too much damaged (the radiator type of thing behind front bumper) at high speeds, the compressor is doing a LOT of work as the belt that drives the compressor is powered by engine. when the engine runs at high speed, the compressor overheats because the a/c gas is not cooled properly due to condensor being damaged. splash some water on the condensor with a relatively high pressure (but not service station equal pressure) that will clean it and might enhance cooling but thats not a permanent solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidims View Post
    As far as ur main query is concerned, haven't used 2004 model but fuel economy of City 2010 on petrol is better than Baleno and Cultus. It looks strange to have better fuel economy of Honda City 2010 (1300 cc) than Cultus 1000cc. Still wondering why is this so? Don't exactly know about Santro. Personally don't like Santro at all because of its unbearable shape (which is a subjective matter).

    Bro we can compare apples with apples. Can't exactly compare Hatch Backs with Sedans on utility basis. If u look at cars as a whole, Fuel Economy looks like a nominal decision criteria.
    Sir engine's power and fuel economy are not always directly proportional to the displacement of the engine. Technology matters a lot. do u know, 3000cc bmw 3 series diesel can do 23-25km/ltr and still give 180+ hp!!! its a common misconception among many people that a car with larger engine will consume more fuel and will produce more power too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidims View Post
    Dear All,

    I am planning to change stock tyres of my City 2010. It has completed 44000 km. Some advise me to change them on 45000 and others say 50000. The car has been in use since october 2010. Whats ur opinion?

    Secondly, I want to install slightly bigger tyres now for better grip and looks. But don't want to disturb meter readings of speed, mileage and economy indicators. Need your guidance on this please. I have gone through those tyre size calculators but couldnt grasp it. If it disturbs dashboard meter readings, I would go for stock size as I always keep an eye on dashboard meters (will not mind if u can call me a KANJOOS).

    Third, please suggest me a brand as well.

    Ahmad bhai will specially be waiting for ur reply.
    If u want a considerable gain in stability and braking then go for 195 sized tires. if u want just marginal increase, go for 185. fuel economy wont be effected much. google "tire size calculator" for finding the best tire size for ur car. for brand, i always suggest yokohama. DB advan v551 > C drive > Aspec. which ever fits ur budget...
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    Quote Originally Posted by babarhyd View Post
    I have the answer for that. At standstill when u turn ur ac on the load on engine is increased to 47% as seen through obd scanner. Now if ur driving at speeds of 140 and yet u have ac on the ecu will shut off the ac no matter the temperature as the load will exceed to 80 to 90%. And as a precaution sudden acceleration and at speeds above 140 the vario's ac turns off by default. Have experienced it hundreds of times.

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    Thanks for giving me the figures of load of compressor at idle, actually this thing was budging me from last few days that when in morning(at around 11 am and 42-44 degrees these days) after starting the car for 2 minutes as soon as I start the Ac the car dies even on petrol and this thing goes away after about 2-3 minutes of drive, so the engine is hot enough than to perform well and bear the load of AC.

    Another thing is that I have never driven a vario but in manual the AC compressor does shut off but at around 5000 rpms in my case, and that is on petrol and dont rev the car too much on CNG.

    When there is too much heat in the atmosphere the car at normal speeds experiences more load than in normal temperature, that is why service intervals are shorter in gulf as compared to america and europe for same cars, same products. The brother was driving at around 140kph and in manual this speed is achieved at around 4200rpms may be in vario it would be achieved at around 3900-4000 rpms.

    Imagine the work the car has to do at around 4000rpms torque and bhps. Run the car at around 140 in such high heat where the road is like stove and tires rubber expands thus increasing the rolling resistance and bear the load of AC compressor as well.

    As brother earlier mentioned that Ac compressor turned off after driving at around 140 for an hour, so the cars security system prevented the car from heatup.

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    most probably ur ac condensor is too much damaged (the radiator type of thing behind front bumper) at high speeds, the compressor is doing a LOT of work as the belt that drives the compressor is powered by engine. when the engine runs at high speed, the compressor overheats because the a/c gas is not cooled properly due to condensor being damaged. splash some water on the condensor with a relatively high pressure (but not service station equal pressure) that will clean it and might enhance cooling but thats not a permanent solution.
    I dont think there is any problem with his cars condenser. Just imagine at around 45 degrees driving your car at 140k/h with AC on, car is bound to overheat in that situation, it is extreme weather my dear

    Just to narrate an example of my trip to karachi in last june. When I crossed Qazi ahmad its near nawabshah so you can yourself estimate what kind was there. MET reported that day it was around 50 degrees. As I crossed Qazi ahmad the AC in car was on but the car seemed to have dropped the speed. The same throttle that yielded me 100kph was yielding only 75kph on both fuels there was a drop of around 25 kph. I was driving with 35-40% throttle now what I did. I slightly pressed the throttle to 60-65% and the car picked speed it went over 100 and was going. I down shifted to 4th and car easily went till 110 so I was sure that car was slightly overheating and I thought if I keep pushing it hard it will definitely overheat so what I did was went all the way to karachi around 220+ kms at 75-80 kph and reached destination safely. Yes near to karachi when the temperatures dropped the car picked its speed as normal.

    The point of narrating the incident here is that extreme temperatures affect the cars performance, be it extreme heat, extreme cold, extreme humidity etc

    Mr shaikhs incidence was of getting caught in extreme heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Sir engine's power and fuel economy are not always directly proportional to the displacement of the engine. Technology matters a lot. do u know, 3000cc bmw 3 series diesel can do 23-25km/ltr and still give 180+ hp!!! its a common misconception among many people that a car with larger engine will consume more fuel and will produce more power too...
    I will tell you a reason why bigger cars have better economy. It is because there engines are capable of doing more work at lower rpms. Take an example of a reborn and idsi. The idsi is at 3600 rpms at speed of 120 whereas reborn is only at around 3000rpm or may be lower. I am talking about manual. Take a more bigger engine. On some thread I saw a mark X doing 120 at only 2.5k rpms. So how can the mileage of both cars be same at the same speed.

    As you move down the ladder in terms of CC and BHPS the engine will have to work a lot to achieve the same output which a bigger car will achieve easily on just idle.

    So the verdict here is that to get the max out of any car you have to drive according to its capability. I mean there is no point driving a mehran at 100kph and crying that it does only 10kpl whereas my reborn does 15 on 100kph.

    To compare drive both the cars at same rpms in same gears and than you will see which car performs better but bigger car will perform better, because if you almost redline a mehran in final gear it will be around 140 and an idsi will redline at around 200 in 5th gear. Fuel consumption depends a lot on number of times a valve opens in a minute so as the speed of idsi is more it will will cover more distance in same amount of fuel

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    Thanks for giving me the figures of load of compressor at idle, actually this thing was budging me from last few days that when in morning(at around 11 am and 42-44 degrees these days) after starting the car for 2 minutes as soon as I start the Ac the car dies even on petrol and this thing goes away after about 2-3 minutes of drive, so the engine is hot enough than to perform well and bear the load of AC.

    Another thing is that I have never driven a vario but in manual the AC compressor does shut off but at around 5000 rpms in my case, and that is on petrol and dont rev the car too much on CNG.

    When there is too much heat in the atmosphere the car at normal speeds experiences more load than in normal temperature, that is why service intervals are shorter in gulf as compared to america and europe for same cars, same products. The brother was driving at around 140kph and in manual this speed is achieved at around 4200rpms may be in vario it would be achieved at around 3900-4000 rpms.

    Imagine the work the car has to do at around 4000rpms torque and bhps. Run the car at around 140 in such high heat where the road is like stove and tires rubber expands thus increasing the rolling resistance and bear the load of AC compressor as well.

    As brother earlier mentioned that Ac compressor turned off after driving at around 140 for an hour, so the cars security system prevented the car from heatup.



    I dont think there is any problem with his cars condenser. Just imagine at around 45 degrees driving your car at 140k/h with AC on, car is bound to overheat in that situation, it is extreme weather my dear

    Just to narrate an example of my trip to karachi in last june. When I crossed Qazi ahmad its near nawabshah so you can yourself estimate what kind was there. MET reported that day it was around 50 degrees. As I crossed Qazi ahmad the AC in car was on but the car seemed to have dropped the speed. The same throttle that yielded me 100kph was yielding only 75kph on both fuels there was a drop of around 25 kph. I was driving with 35-40% throttle now what I did. I slightly pressed the throttle to 60-65% and the car picked speed it went over 100 and was going. I down shifted to 4th and car easily went till 110 so I was sure that car was slightly overheating and I thought if I keep pushing it hard it will definitely overheat so what I did was went all the way to karachi around 220+ kms at 75-80 kph and reached destination safely. Yes near to karachi when the temperatures dropped the car picked its speed as normal.

    The point of narrating the incident here is that extreme temperatures affect the cars performance, be it extreme heat, extreme cold, extreme humidity etc

    Mr shaikhs incidence was of getting caught in extreme heat.
    well, u have more knowledge then me and u must be right. but i ve never had that kind of issue with my car! i have driven to layyah, multan, bahawalpur and rahimyarkhan is scorching heat of june last year. had 5 passengers and full luggage, did more then 130 many times on n5 as my cousin in his civic had only 2 passengers and was driving fast n i had to keep up. a/c never turned off other then just regular interval. or may be i didnt notice...
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