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    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    I will tell you a reason why bigger cars have better economy. It is because there engines are capable of doing more work at lower rpms. Take an example of a reborn and idsi. The idsi is at 3600 rpms at speed of 120 whereas reborn is only at around 3000rpm or may be lower. I am talking about manual. Take a more bigger engine. On some thread I saw a mark X doing 120 at only 2.5k rpms. So how can the mileage of both cars be same at the same speed.

    As you move down the ladder in terms of CC and BHPS the engine will have to work a lot to achieve the same output which a bigger car will achieve easily on just idle.

    So the verdict here is that to get the max out of any car you have to drive according to its capability. I mean there is no point driving a mehran at 100kph and crying that it does only 10kpl whereas my reborn does 15 on 100kph.

    To compare drive both the cars at same rpms in same gears and than you will see which car performs better but bigger car will perform better, because if you almost redline a mehran in final gear it will be around 140 and an idsi will redline at around 200 in 5th gear. Fuel consumption depends a lot on number of times a valve opens in a minute so as the speed of idsi is more it will will cover more distance in same amount of fuel
    Well Sir, i disagree with u on that one!

    the thing is, engines have NOTHING to do with speed. an engine will just give u output in terms of a rotating shaft. its the GEARBOX that decides what to do with that rotating shaft. u could drive a car with an engine or use the shaft to draw water from a well.

    Anyways, the gearbox defines what speeds an engine can achieve at what RPM. If u sit in a manual 2005 civic, it will do 120km/h at around 3500rpm while if u sit in a prosmatic which has the same engine, it will do 120km/h at 3200rpm or less i guess (dont remember the figure but i actually tested this) its the gear ratios that define how fast or slow u can drive at a certain rpm. theoratically, it is possible that u make a gearbox such that the 1st gear could go upto 150km/h or just 5km/h on the same engine (say 1.3l idsi). yesterday i went to faisalabad with a friend on his 1.6l gli auto (had p2 paper) the car was doing 120km/h on exactly 2900rpms and i was impressed by that as engine noise was low and economy was good. so technically and theoretically, it IS possible that a mehran would do 120km/h at just, say, 2500rpm if it had several gears or if it had only one verrrryyyy long gear. u see long gears help keeping the rpm low for most of the times (for gud economy) and short gears help accelerate faster but at the price of economy because the engine stays at higher RPMs for a longer time. thats why racing car people usually prefer 4 speed gearboxes, less gears = less time wasted in shifting and reaching peak output of the engine and more time spent staying at higher end of the rpm band (where most power is, usually, for racing cars)

    there are literally hundreds of factors to consider when deciding gear ratios for a car. i understand only some of them but the rest are beyond my knowledge and understanding. one of the factors (usually consider by modified car drivers) is also to set gear ratios according to the tire size (diameter) that is to be used for a race...


    as for the economy thing, it really matters on the engine's compression ratio and how efficient the engine is. by efficient, lets suppose that all engines of same size produce same amount of hp. say, 2000cc engine makes 800hp but we all know the law of thermodynamics, most of that 800hp is lost as heat and friction and petrol engines have efficiency of only about 25%, so the 2000cc engine will actually give u only 200hp. now, by using more high tech systems, u can increase the efficiency and get 30 or 35% of the power. mind it, u are not INCREASING the power but only recovering some of the LOST power. better cooling system, more powerful ignition system or higher compression can get u some extra efficiency. Diesel cars have 35-40% efficiency, thats because the compression ratio is very high (14-17:1) but why cant a petrol engine be given that much compression? because with compression comes heat, and petrol is much more volatile then diesel at and a certain temperature, heat alone would be enough to ignite it, so thats the limiting factor for petrol and these engines can only be given a max comp ratio of 12:1 or even less. while diesel cannot burn unless its heated to 65 degrees. thats why diesel cars have heaters in them and they usually dont start on cold mornings. oh, im sure u know this but some readers might not, why does more compression means more power? because if u compress it more and then ignite the mixture, the blast will be bigger. same concept as the more air u blow into a balloon, the harder if bursts.

    so, everything else remaining constant but u just scale down the engine of a civic or and idsi to 800cc (theoratically) u ll get much better fuel economy then a mehran. because a mehran uses literally no technology at all... I hope i havent gone too off topic and am not boring u guys...
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    Your explanation put an end to the level of perfection one could possibly achieve!
    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Well Sir, i disagree with u on that one!

    the thing is, engines have NOTHING to do with speed. an engine will just give u output in terms of a rotating shaft. its the GEARBOX that decides what to do with that rotating shaft. u could drive a car with an engine or use the shaft to draw water from a well.

    Anyways, the gearbox defines what speeds an engine can achieve at what RPM. If u sit in a manual 2005 civic, it will do 120km/h at around 3500rpm while if u sit in a prosmatic which has the same engine, it will do 120km/h at 3200rpm or less i guess (dont remember the figure but i actually tested this) its the gear ratios that define how fast or slow u can drive at a certain rpm. theoratically, it is possible that u make a gearbox such that the 1st gear could go upto 150km/h or just 5km/h on the same engine (say 1.3l idsi). yesterday i went to faisalabad with a friend on his 1.6l gli auto (had p2 paper) the car was doing 120km/h on exactly 2900rpms and i was impressed by that as engine noise was low and economy was good. so technically and theoretically, it IS possible that a mehran would do 120km/h at just, say, 2500rpm if it had several gears or if it had only one verrrryyyy long gear. u see long gears help keeping the rpm low for most of the times (for gud economy) and short gears help accelerate faster but at the price of economy because the engine stays at higher RPMs for a longer time. thats why racing car people usually prefer 4 speed gearboxes, less gears = less time wasted in shifting and reaching peak output of the engine and more time spent staying at higher end of the rpm band (where most power is, usually, for racing cars)

    there are literally hundreds of factors to consider when deciding gear ratios for a car. i understand only some of them but the rest are beyond my knowledge and understanding. one of the factors (usually consider by modified car drivers) is also to set gear ratios according to the tire size (diameter) that is to be used for a race...


    as for the economy thing, it really matters on the engine's compression ratio and how efficient the engine is. by efficient, lets suppose that all engines of same size produce same amount of hp. say, 2000cc engine makes 800hp but we all know the law of thermodynamics, most of that 800hp is lost as heat and friction and petrol engines have efficiency of only about 25%, so the 2000cc engine will actually give u only 200hp. now, by using more high tech systems, u can increase the efficiency and get 30 or 35% of the power. mind it, u are not INCREASING the power but only recovering some of the LOST power. better cooling system, more powerful ignition system or higher compression can get u some extra efficiency. Diesel cars have 35-40% efficiency, thats because the compression ratio is very high (14-17:1) but why cant a petrol engine be given that much compression? because with compression comes heat, and petrol is much more volatile then diesel at and a certain temperature, heat alone would be enough to ignite it, so thats the limiting factor for petrol and these engines can only be given a max comp ratio of 12:1 or even less. while diesel cannot burn unless its heated to 65 degrees. thats why diesel cars have heaters in them and they usually dont start on cold mornings. oh, im sure u know this but some readers might not, why does more compression means more power? because if u compress it more and then ignite the mixture, the blast will be bigger. same concept as the more air u blow into a balloon, the harder if bursts.

    so, everything else remaining constant but u just scale down the engine of a civic or and idsi to 800cc (theoratically) u ll get much better fuel economy then a mehran. because a mehran uses literally no technology at all... I hope i havent gone too off topic and am not boring u guys...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Your explanation put an end to the level of perfection one could possibly achieve!
    Thanks for kind words Fawad but i believe i have a lot to learn yet. we all do...
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    Thanks for giving me the figures of load of compressor at idle, actually this thing was budging me from last few days that when in morning(at around 11 am and 42-44 degrees these days) after starting the car for 2 minutes as soon as I start the Ac the car dies even on petrol and this thing goes away after about 2-3 minutes of drive, so the engine is hot enough than to perform well and bear the load of AC.

    Another thing is that I have never driven a vario but in manual the AC compressor does shut off but at around 5000 rpms in my case, and that is on petrol and dont rev the car too much on CNG.

    When there is too much heat in the atmosphere the car at normal speeds experiences more load than in normal temperature, that is why service intervals are shorter in gulf as compared to america and europe for same cars, same products. The brother was driving at around 140kph and in manual this speed is achieved at around 4200rpms may be in vario it would be achieved at around 3900-4000 rpms.

    Imagine the work the car has to do at around 4000rpms torque and bhps. Run the car at around 140 in such high heat where the road is like stove and tires rubber expands thus increasing the rolling resistance and bear the load of AC compressor as well.

    As brother earlier mentioned that Ac compressor turned off after driving at around 140 for an hour, so the cars security system prevented the car from heatup.



    I dont think there is any problem with his cars condenser. Just imagine at around 45 degrees driving your car at 140k/h with AC on, car is bound to overheat in that situation, it is extreme weather my dear

    Just to narrate an example of my trip to karachi in last june. When I crossed Qazi ahmad its near nawabshah so you can yourself estimate what kind was there. MET reported that day it was around 50 degrees. As I crossed Qazi ahmad the AC in car was on but the car seemed to have dropped the speed. The same throttle that yielded me 100kph was yielding only 75kph on both fuels there was a drop of around 25 kph. I was driving with 35-40% throttle now what I did. I slightly pressed the throttle to 60-65% and the car picked speed it went over 100 and was going. I down shifted to 4th and car easily went till 110 so I was sure that car was slightly overheating and I thought if I keep pushing it hard it will definitely overheat so what I did was went all the way to karachi around 220+ kms at 75-80 kph and reached destination safely. Yes near to karachi when the temperatures dropped the car picked its speed as normal.

    The point of narrating the incident here is that extreme temperatures affect the cars performance, be it extreme heat, extreme cold, extreme humidity etc

    Mr shaikhs incidence was of getting caught in extreme heat.
    for this particular route as u mentioned, i wud like to disagree sir as i have done the same multiple times being posted in Sukkur and making frequent trips to Karachi. ppl living in Nawabshah and further South would second me. in my example, we went on bikes (three 125s) from Sukkur to Karachi. till Hyderabad it only took us 5 and a half hours, and were were very happy that wow we have reached even faster than many cars, but the moment we crossed hyderabad, we faced an extreme amount of wind, which is always there (must be to do something with the winds coming North side from the sea)....the same 125s which were touching 100-110 could barely touch 65-70 kilometers per hour. so much so that when we descided to rest the bikes and put some water on the lights and fenders to clean it, the moment we threw the water from the bottle, it would simply fly Northwards becasue of the wind. at the end, we had to park the bikes horizontally (East West direction) and then had to throw the water on the bikes. on the same route, at the same timing, two days after when we were comng back from Karachi on Sunday, wind was at our back and we crossed 120 in our bikes, needle went further ahead, and in my particular case, the needle got stuck with the plastic cover inside, broke and went crazily here and there till the rest of our trip on the GPS in my mobile, we had crossed 135 mark. so, in only this particular condition, i guess what u faced (the drop in the speed and increased fuel consumption) is only to do with the front wind. i have made the same trip in many cars, army jeeps and double cabins, and it has invariably happened everytime

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    about the car heating up on AC issue, i somehow dont agree its something to do with the heat. i have been driving my platz in Sibi and Jacobabad at full throttle with AC on in june-july-august many times, often touching 150 in my econobox (ex car ) with AC on but never ever it heated up, neither the AC tripped. i dont know too many technalities in the possible faults in which the stuff is happening, but i guess it MIGHT have to do with even clogged air filters thereby needing the driver to push the car more, or the dirty radiator thereby not cooling the car enough, faulty thermostat, either engine or cabin and so on (Pardon my rubbish estimates IF i m uttering gibberish )

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    Thank you everybody for your valuable input. Whole discussion is very informative. I was driving from Lahore to Islamabad, thermostat was on 3 and my vario is on petrol (no cng installed). I personally think it was conbination of high speed/rpm and extreme temparature, which resulted this problem. A day before this incident, I travelled from Islambad to Lahore on moterway on almost same speed but during night (between 8pm to 12 am) and there was no issue with AC at all.
    Brother ahmadbila suggestion also has weightage. I'll definitely check the condensor for this damaged thing. I got it cleaned thoroughly in last summer and till that time its condition was absolutely ok.

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    A nice joke out of nowhere for my brothers. Sorry but i cant resist sharing it here ....hehehehe

    A while back there was an opening in the CIA for an assassin. These highly classified positions are extremely difficult to fill, requiring an extensive background check, training, and testing before candidates are even considered for the position. After reviewing several applicants and completing all the checks and training, the field was narrowed to the three most promising candidates. The day came for the final test, which would determine which of equally qualified candidates, would get the job.


    The final candidates consisted of two men and one woman. The men administering the test took the first candidate, a man, down a corridor to a closed door and handed him a gun saying, "We must be completely assured that you will complete your assignments and follow instructions regardless of the circumstances. Inside this room you will find your wife, seated in a chair. Take this gun and kill her." The man, looking completely shocked said, "You can't be serious! I could never kill my wife." The CIA man said, "Well, then, you're obviously not the man for the job. Take your wife and go home." They brought the next candidate in, the other man, and repeated the instructions. This man took the gun, walked into the room and closed the door. However, after five minutes of silence, the door opened and the man handed the CIA tester the gun, saying, "I just couldn't do it. I couldn't kill my wife. I tried to pull the trigger but I just couldn't do it." The CIA man said, "Well, then, you're obviously not the man for the job. Take your wife and go home."


    Then they brought the woman down the corridor to the closed door, handed her a gun, and said, "We must be completely assured that you will complete your assignments and follow instructions regardless of the circumstances. Inside this room you will find your husband, seated in a chair. Take this gun and kill him." The woman took the gun, walked into the room, and before the door closed all the way, the CIA men heard the gun start firing. One shot after another, for thirteen shots, the noise continued. Then all hell broke loose. For the next several minutes, the men heard screaming, cursing, furniture crashing and banging on the walls; then suddenly, silence. The door opened slowly and there stood the woman. She wiped the sweat from her brow and said, "You guys didn't tell me the gun was loaded with blanks! I had to beat him to death with the chair!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    well, u have more knowledge then me and u must be right. but i ve never had that kind of issue with my car! i have driven to layyah, multan, bahawalpur and rahimyarkhan is scorching heat of june last year. had 5 passengers and full luggage, did more then 130 many times on n5 as my cousin in his civic had only 2 passengers and was driving fast n i had to keep up. a/c never turned off other then just regular interval. or may be i didnt notice...
    Difference in your case could be constant high speed for a long interval. on motorway I was maintaining high speed continuesly but on other roads its difficult to keep such high speed for hours continuesly. I myself travel on moterway daily, between Islamabad and wah, which is less than 30 min. drive. I never experience this issue (even after this incidence) during this regular drive at same speed.

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    Another question here for the brothers hehehe

    as i got my car service for the 20k inspection and throttle body cleaned, i FEEL that the car is consuming more petrol now. i m kind of a hypermiller, so generally my car gives me around 15 km/liter with AC on within Pindi traffic. connected to that is the drop of the petrol needle. now after the service, what i "feel" is that though the average on the onboard computer is the same, the needle is falling much faster now. is it possible that for the same average, the needle falls quick first and slow other times ? my own analysis is that it MIGHT depend upon the position in which needle initially is, like in the case of fist 80 kilometers or so when u fill the tank, the needle harldy moves and then comes down like crazy. i know that. but i m comparing it to the same distance covered when the needle was like at 80 percent. last week i travelled from pindi to islamabad and back in the extreme heat and also was in a hurry and pushed the car with AC on and it only consumed one Line (one small spacing on the meter). car must have not done more than 11 km per liter as i was pushing the car. Howveer, two days back i went to Islamabad at night @ speed of almost 60-65 km/hr, meter showed around 19 -20 km/liter average, but when i returned home, it had consumed TWO points of fuel when i started this journey, i was already at the last two parts on the guage, so when i came home my reserve was on. its kinda confusing, but maybe the consumption on the guage is not linear even after the drop starts from F after initial 80 kilometers
    PS : i have filled the tank to the top and would check the actual average and the needle behaviour again. however, i m somehow convinced that the car is consuming more fuel, or maybe its just a gut feeling

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    You are determining fuel consumption from the movement of gauge needle and digital reading. In order to check the accuracy, just do a manual check. Fill the car to full, note meter reading, drive 50 or 100 kms , refill the tank to full. Do the math, compute and compare real data with the onboard readings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheikh_wah View Post
    Difference in your case could be constant high speed for a long interval. on motorway I was maintaining high speed continuesly but on other roads its difficult to keep such high speed for hours continuesly. I myself travel on moterway daily, between Islamabad and wah, which is less than 30 min. drive. I never experience this issue (even after this incidence) during this regular drive at same speed.
    yet again, i disagree! unless ur car's systems are not working at 100% efficiency, the car would NOT heat up more then normal. if the systems are not working fine then even 10 mins of drive can kill an engine. so in this manner, hours of driving is equal to few mins of driving. a car engine will not heat up after a certain limit.

    and btw i ve driven for long hours on motorway too (i have nearly 300k kms on my car, i ve driven everywhere and in all kinds of temperatures ) never ever faced any issue. im not sure but i dont even think ECU is connected to a/c control, i may be wrong but its a honda city, not a bmw that everything wud be connected. a compressor would shut down itself if it heats up beyond a certain limit. but in some cases, it wont! like it happened with me, due to damaged condensor and almost choked a/c gas lines, one of my a/c pipe blew away with a loud bang but the compressor didnt even stop just before the bang! so, i believe the issue is with ur condensor or compressor.

    secondly, people in arab world drive at very high speeds at temps above 50 degree, does it means that a/c would turn off? i dont think so...
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    totally agreed ^^^^ as i said, i have been driving my old 2003 model platz in 50+ temperature at very high RPMs constantly with AC on. AC never ever tripped. same is the case with my current 2012 ivtec as well. doesnt happen. if the car is well, this doesnt happen. simple as that. there HAS to be a reason, big or small

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    Another question here for the brothers hehehe

    as i got my car service for the 20k inspection and throttle body cleaned, i FEEL that the car is consuming more petrol now. i m kind of a hypermiller, so generally my car gives me around 15 km/liter with AC on within Pindi traffic. connected to that is the drop of the petrol needle. now after the service, what i "feel" is that though the average on the onboard computer is the same, the needle is falling much faster now. is it possible that for the same average, the needle falls quick first and slow other times ? my own analysis is that it MIGHT depend upon the position in which needle initially is, like in the case of fist 80 kilometers or so when u fill the tank, the needle harldy moves and then comes down like crazy. i know that. but i m comparing it to the same distance covered when the needle was like at 80 percent. last week i travelled from pindi to islamabad and back in the extreme heat and also was in a hurry and pushed the car with AC on and it only consumed one Line (one small spacing on the meter). car must have not done more than 11 km per liter as i was pushing the car. Howveer, two days back i went to Islamabad at night @ speed of almost 60-65 km/hr, meter showed around 19 -20 km/liter average, but when i returned home, it had consumed TWO points of fuel when i started this journey, i was already at the last two parts on the guage, so when i came home my reserve was on. its kinda confusing, but maybe the consumption on the guage is not linear even after the drop starts from F after initial 80 kilometers
    PS : i have filled the tank to the top and would check the actual average and the needle behaviour again. however, i m somehow convinced that the car is consuming more fuel, or maybe its just a gut feeling

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    no idea about this! thats why i prefer the gud old method of calculating the fuel consumption. fill the tank, use the fuel, refill and then calculate the mileage...
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    A nice joke out of nowhere for my brothers. Sorry but i cant resist sharing it here ....hehehehe

    A while back there was an opening in the CIA for an assassin. These highly classified positions are extremely difficult to fill, requiring an extensive background check, training, and testing before candidates are even considered for the position. After reviewing several applicants and completing all the checks and training, the field was narrowed to the three most promising candidates. The day came for the final test, which would determine which of equally qualified candidates, would get the job.


    The final candidates consisted of two men and one woman. The men administering the test took the first candidate, a man, down a corridor to a closed door and handed him a gun saying, "We must be completely assured that you will complete your assignments and follow instructions regardless of the circumstances. Inside this room you will find your wife, seated in a chair. Take this gun and kill her." The man, looking completely shocked said, "You can't be serious! I could never kill my wife." The CIA man said, "Well, then, you're obviously not the man for the job. Take your wife and go home." They brought the next candidate in, the other man, and repeated the instructions. This man took the gun, walked into the room and closed the door. However, after five minutes of silence, the door opened and the man handed the CIA tester the gun, saying, "I just couldn't do it. I couldn't kill my wife. I tried to pull the trigger but I just couldn't do it." The CIA man said, "Well, then, you're obviously not the man for the job. Take your wife and go home."


    Then they brought the woman down the corridor to the closed door, handed her a gun, and said, "We must be completely assured that you will complete your assignments and follow instructions regardless of the circumstances. Inside this room you will find your husband, seated in a chair. Take this gun and kill him." The woman took the gun, walked into the room, and before the door closed all the way, the CIA men heard the gun start firing. One shot after another, for thirteen shots, the noise continued. Then all hell broke loose. For the next several minutes, the men heard screaming, cursing, furniture crashing and banging on the walls; then suddenly, silence. The door opened slowly and there stood the woman. She wiped the sweat from her brow and said, "You guys didn't tell me the gun was loaded with blanks! I had to beat him to death with the chair!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    no idea about this! thats why i prefer the gud old method of calculating the fuel consumption. fill the tank, use the fuel, refill and then calculate the mileage...
    thats true. thats wy i have topped it up and now driving it. but what i want to ask is that is it possible that after throttle body service the car average drops ???? i got the car tuned by the Honda diagnostic software, then what can be the problem IF the car is consuming more ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    thats true. thats wy i have topped it up and now driving it. but what i want to ask is that is it possible that after throttle body service the car average drops ???? i got the car tuned by the Honda diagnostic software, then what can be the problem IF the car is consuming more ?
    Quite possible! like i always say, Honda 3S guys are not "angels from heavens" that they ll always make ur car into a perfect machine by one touch of their magical hands... they can mess up things to and in my case, they did that most (Read: ALL) of the times. Theres no single definition of "tuning". u can tune ur car a 100 different ways and all would be correct if they produce the output that u intended for when u tuned it. so, it is quite possible that honda guys tuned ur car (deliberately or otherwise) more for performance and less for economy. but before i can safely conclude that, i would like to hear a 2-3 times of fuel consumption... and then we can be sure...
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    Quote Originally Posted by awaisraza View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    yet again, i disagree! unless ur car's systems are not working at 100% efficiency, the car would NOT heat up more then normal. if the systems are not working fine then even 10 mins of drive can kill an engine. so in this manner, hours of driving is equal to few mins of driving. a car engine will not heat up after a certain limit.

    and btw i ve driven for long hours on motorway too (i have nearly 300k kms on my car, i ve driven everywhere and in all kinds of temperatures ) never ever faced any issue. im not sure but i dont even think ECU is connected to a/c control, i may be wrong but its a honda city, not a bmw that everything wud be connected. a compressor would shut down itself if it heats up beyond a certain limit. but in some cases, it wont! like it happened with me, due to damaged condensor and almost choked a/c gas lines, one of my a/c pipe blew away with a loud bang but the compressor didnt even stop just before the bang! so, i believe the issue is with ur condensor or compressor.

    secondly, people in arab world drive at very high speeds at temps above 50 degree, does it means that a/c would turn off? i dont think so...
    No need to disagree as I also believe that in given conditions it should have worked fine and it shouldn't be the limit for this city iDSI. This problem means some kind of ISSUE in something that I want to locate and get fixed. Your suggestion regarding condenser is a good lead and I'll definitely get it checked properly. My point (in your quoted text) was to confirm the capability and limits of this vehicle as this was my first such attempt on this car. My remarks were in response to what u mentioned with reference to cities and n5 otherwise I had no doubts in your exposure and capability and I had no intentions to challenge your 300k experience </SPAN></SPAN>.

    As far as Arab is considered, I know only about KSA and I believe it’s a different story. Vehicles commonly used there are much bigger and powerful than the vehicles we commonly use here in Pak. I can not imagine stretching my Honda City (or even any Honda Civic) to compare with what people do with their Caprice, Crownvictoria or GMC Suburban etc. there in Saudia.</SPAN></SPAN>

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    totally agreed ^^^^ as i said, i have been driving my old 2003 model platz in 50+ temperature at very high RPMs constantly with AC on. AC never ever tripped. same is the case with my current 2012 ivtec as well. doesnt happen. if the car is well, this doesnt happen. simple as that. there HAS to be a reason, big or small
    and this is exactly what I m trying to figure out.

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