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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    We sold out our 2000 City EXi S for Rs. 650,000 last month.
    It is impossible to please everybody.

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    Salam,
    Hi Guys,
    i am a new commer to Pakwheels. I own a new shape 2009 Honda City and i love it. Will be following you guys for more information on the car. This happens to be my first car too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by internal_auditor View Post
    We sold out our 2000 City EXi S for Rs. 650,000 last month.
    Care to share the pics of ur city??
    Qaiser Pal,I have not failed.But found 1 of 10,000 ways which doesn't work.....Toyota driver "I couldn't repair my brakes,so i made my horn louder"..When i was born i was so surprised that i didn't talked to one and half year..since light travel faster then sound,people appear bright until you hear them speak..If u can't convince them,confuse them

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    Quote Originally Posted by internal_auditor View Post
    We sold out our 2000 City EXi S for Rs. 650,000 last month.
    it gave u really good price, considering that an exis in 2001 was for 765k...
    @zaryab
    welcome to the club brother. u ll find great info regarding ur city and other honda city models in this thread.many of the members/owners here are experts and can help you with problems or suggestions about ur car.enjoy ur stay...

    @baleno1300
    nice, its very difficlut to modify this shape city but this one is nicely done...
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    Hi guys,
    Can anyone tell me how I can connect my iPhone to the stock audio system?
    Plus what would be a good speaker to install to go with the stock Alpine CDE9872E?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaryab View Post
    Hi guys,
    Can anyone tell me how I can connect my iPhone to the stock audio system?
    Plus what would be a good speaker to install to go with the stock Alpine CDE9872E?
    im not really gud at audio systems, u can go to any audio shop and ask them if there is an auxiliary jack on the back side, if there is, they can attach a connector with it and u can connect ur fone with it.otherwise, u ll have to get it replaced.
    another shortcut low quality substitute is "auxiliary adapter".its a cassette type thing with an auxiliary cable,but the quality wont be gud.

    as for the speakers, cant say which ones wud be gud. dont know $hi! about them
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    AoA every1,
    I have city 2004 vario, always driven on petrol till now ( 103,000 kms done ), recent petrol price hike has convinced me to install cng. im totally illiterate on CNG in automatic efi honda city....
    plz advice me regarding...

    1. which brand kit suits my car....
    2. which compatible accessories to be installed....
    3. what is the best place in rwp/isb for installation/maintenence
    4. how much its gonna cost... the whole package....


    i'll be grateful to anyone spendin some time replyin to my post....
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    Quote Originally Posted by hasanyusaf View Post
    AoA every1,
    I have city 2004 vario, always driven on petrol till now ( 103,000 kms done ), recent petrol price hike has convinced me to install cng. im totally illiterate on CNG in automatic efi honda city....
    plz advice me regarding...

    1. which brand kit suits my car....
    2. which compatible accessories to be installed....
    3. what is the best place in rwp/isb for installation/maintenence
    4. how much its gonna cost... the whole package....


    i'll be grateful to anyone spendin some time replyin to my post....
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    Aoa...
    well, bro to be honest, putting cng in and auto city ( or any other cvt ) is not usually recommended and many, many ppl have complained that the tranny dies after around 60,000kms on cng. but some of them also claim that if u change the transmission oil before its due ( 40,000kms), means u change it at around 30,000kms , then u ll be ok with cng. personally i know 2 ppl who have driven idsi cvt for 130,000kms without any problem with tranny on cng.but some ppl do get problems.
    so, my suggesion wud be to keep it on petrol if u can but if its too rough on ur pocket, get it cnged but take good care of ur car.

    as for the CNG kit details...

    1) the best and well know cng kit in pakistan is Lendi renzo, its an italian company.there are other companies too, one of them is lovato, but lendi renzo efi kit seems to fit perfectly on idsi.

    2) u ll have to get the following things.
    a. A cylinder b.the actual kit c. advance d. emulator
    new kits have a single unit which works for advancer and emulator both.

    3) cant say about that bcuz i ve not from rwp.but heard there r sum good mechanics in commercial market.

    4) The whole package will cost around 35-40k PKR, as prices keep on fluctuation.

    my personal opinion wud be to calculate how much wud u save by putting in cng and will it cover the cost of kit or not in the period of time for which u plan to keep this car.i.e, if u plan to sell it in less then a year, dont get cng then.
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    as for the cylinder, keep in mind that usually ppl use 55kg cylinder bcuz it gives u more range when going on a long drive.but it weighs more then others (55kg is NOT weight of the cylinder) and this will cause ur car to get low frm back side and if 4 ppl sit in it, u might hit it on bumps.
    now there r 2 ways to counter the problem, the easier one is to get 40kg cylinder and compromise on driving range.the other one is to put spacers in ur car under the springs to lift the car up, this will solve the problem but ur ride will become hard ( will improve handling though) i ve dont the 2nd thing on my car as i drive a lot and need good range plus i love the hard ride of it... i ll post a pic in a minute which will make things clear about the 2nd option.
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    Thankyou for the quick reply....

    initially i didnt get it cnged coz of the same reason ( transmission ).... but ive seen ppl arnd runnin same model varios on cng.... actually i have to travel once or twice a month 960 kms almost 430 one way.... out of which 300kms is on motorway at a steady speed..... i can save a lot if im on cng........ ive a friend who removed an efi cng kit from a vti oriel 2005 before selling it....
    is it advisable to buy a used kit??
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    Honda City Fan Club -156772

    heres the thing they put above the springs.costs around 800rs only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hasanyusaf View Post
    Thankyou for the quick reply....

    initially i didnt get it cnged coz of the same reason ( transmission ).... but ive seen ppl arnd runnin same model varios on cng.... actually i have to travel once or twice a month 960 kms almost 430 one way.... out of which 300kms is on motorway at a steady speed..... i can save a lot if im on cng........ ive a friend who removed an efi cng kit from a vti oriel 2005 before selling it....
    is it advisable to buy a used kit??
    hmmm i think it ll be fine to buy that cng kit frm ur frnd.just get it service and checked properly before getting it fitted in.and one more thing, much of the performance/economy/reliability of cng kits depends on the person who fits it. i ve driven 1lakh 41 thousand kms on cng on my manual idsi and mashallah NEVER EVER had to get any work done on cng kit or any other part.
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    so grateful for sharing ur experience.... ill get the car cnged soon and den share my experience rite here....
    thanks a lot.....
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    my pleasure sir...
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    i had third generation city idsi grey.bought zer0 meter.drove 198o0okm.yet it was going strong.was very comfortable and i agree sir it really gave very very g0od milage.i expected honda ppl to continue that idsi engine in 20o9 fifth gen city but was disappointed.letme mention city third gen also has great economy on gas.in city 160km,long routes 200+kms...after owning this model i was compelled by its extraordianary alarming performance to change my signature to MAIN TE HONDA HE LAISAN!!!
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    AOA
    recently em having problems wid my new city A/T...its kinda having jerks/missing when i accelerate half way...it feels lyk i leave the paddle and after a sec i press it again...i went 2 nazir autos in G-8 got it tuned bt nothing happend went again and he told me that there is a sort ov jaali near the engine and it maybe was choked...done 16000 km...so can anyone guide me what the problem is...
    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by my666 View Post
    AOA
    recently em having problems wid my new city A/T...its kinda having jerks/missing when i accelerate half way...it feels lyk i leave the paddle and after a sec i press it again...i went 2 nazir autos in G-8 got it tuned bt nothing happend went again and he told me that there is a sort ov jaali near the engine and it maybe was choked...done 16000 km...so can anyone guide me what the problem is...
    thanks
    You and me both, though I've got a manual and only 1700 KMS done thus far. I was thinking of going to get it tuned tomorrow morning - don't know what the problem is. It only seems to happen in 2nd gear and when I'm accelerating normally. If I push the car to the rev limit at around 6500 from first gear to second and so forth it doesn't act up, only under normal acceleration with the pedal about halfway.

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