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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    I think its short circuit. May be due to humidity or water drops inside the door switch. Could be on the driver's side panel and could be on the left door's window switch as well. Because when you pull the switch to roll it up, and don't let go of it even if the window has rolled fully up, it produces this sound. There is some sort of circuit in the panel that cuts of current to the power window motor to prevent heating. May be the click click you hear is from that one, just a wild guess though.

    Sound means there is something going on inside.

    You can remove the fuse for sometime just to check if the circuit resets automatically. All the best for the visit, timings are a big problem in Ramadan Kareem, agree to that part. And yes, feelings mutual. Ripping apart the panel kills me as well, they cut open the plastic sheets just like barbers cut through hair.
    Resolved. Went to my old time electrician. Problem was with the switch on the right hand door. The switch which controlled the left front window was stuck in the down position, and the upper movement was free. When you use these buttons, they do click click on their up and down movement when you press them, right, but in my case the upper movement was free. He opened the left front door first and when he touched the motor, it was super hot. So he assumed that the down button was continuously engaged. Then he opened the right door and the panel and indeed it was so. The upper motion was free. Just adjusted it and I was good to go. Paid him 500. Money well spent. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by accord7362 View Post
    Moeed Thanks a lot for mentioning Missing RL & Lahore

    As Anis bahi mentioned , I went to Qalma chok honda only once , they are very busy & wont give proper time to ride , seems to be in hurry all the time

    I went to Honda pit shop , Johar town its less crowded & i have no complains with them :

    I used to:

    ---Respect them
    ---Listen to them & their ideas ( but in the end do what manual says )
    ---Bought some 2 1/5L pepsi & some chips for the crew & eat 'n' drink in friendly environment
    ---Stay with your ride , if Manager said "Sir waiting area may bathainn " dont reply " mughay itbar nahee hay " said politely "I want to learn & get feedback for technician"


    On the other hand some lucky Ppl have " Khandani type mechanics" & they always went to them , I used to have one in Islamabad & my father still went there
    So Dear Aamir Bhai!
    Really Really Nicely Elaborated & Very well explained, I had went to Pit Stop a few times, now im planning to Make them Permanent , All Ur Valuable Instructions written on Mind Perfectly Sir!! & Yes! Back their in Sialkot we had Khandani type Mechanic, But Now ALL R BUSY, BUSY & Just Busy!!

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    @accord7362 @incognito59 @Skt_Z4 Thankyou for your feedbacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skt_Z4 View Post
    Well as per My Experience HONDA Pit Stop Guys are Good,

    The Best HONDA City Lahore owners at PW are:
    @accord7362 @incognito59 @smashhud @vague_one @ahmad_yar

    They only go to HONDA 3S & I think they can guide U pretty much well, & they're really Nice Behaving people i met on PW.

    Further I found a Thread May be it'll solve Ur Matter, If U'll go down Further in this Forum U'll find out HONDA Car Service Shop Reviews:
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...-center-review

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    today tried caltex havoline 5w40 in our city (2012 , 9k km run), car not driven much after the oil change though it felt more silent after the oil change. plan is to run it on this oil for 5k km. i hope it outperforms the honda synthetic oil (probably made by total)
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    and my brand new car keeps disappointing me again and again
    Faults since i bought it zero meter last year (summary)

    1. the khich khich sound from exhaust on high revs pushing the car to its limit......turned out to be faulty metallic ring in between 1st and 2nd stage of exhaust

    2. sound of something lose from under the hood at very slow speed on bumps.....turned out that this cant go away as it is the sound of water moving in the washer fluid bottle (when emptied, the sound went away)

    3. the husshhhhhh sound which comes when gear changed at high RPM.......still there, unsolved...Honda guys have absolutely no F***ing idea

    4. front left headlight fused (low beam only)


    5. latest fault yesterday....there is a periodic repeating click click sound from left door (repeats after every 5 seconds)...even with only ignition on, it is there....and today in the morning i realized that my left front door window is not working

    bought the car last june....just one year, and this is what u get from zero meter cars....and remember.....i m an extreeeemeeellyy careful driver, very soft on the pedal, a hypermiller, very very slow on humps and bumps....never ever gas anyone even washed my car except me myself....i wonder what would have happened if i had misused it a little.....seriously thinking of selling it and getting an Axio now
    No bro dont get disheart. After all they are machines and any fault can occur in any type of a car. Remember one thing that allah tests his mankind by giving them troubles and a person is only tested to a level which he can counter. May be allah thinks that you can counter and get through his tests so he is testing you. Same is the case with me I drive my cars with utmost care and yet they give me problems and I have seen people raping their cars and yet they are trouble free so I think that more I increase my level of tolerance more Allah will test me and this is the ultimate thing in life of a man.

    Coming to your problem you must know that for every motor of anything that draws amperes there are relays in the system. Sometimes a relay is used for a single item sometimes a relay powers more than one. The click sound is relay getting active. The reason for this appearing again and again is there is some electronic malfunction that is causing the relay to activate again and again. Now that electronic fault can be anywhere from master switch assembly to power window motor to anything that is connected in the system

    As a simple diagnosis I would suggest you to get under the dash board and disconnect the fuse for main power window assembly. See and hear if the sound appear again if it does not there is a problem with power window circuit. After that put the fuse back and start the car roll down the windows to half level now see if windows move when this click is produced if they move upwards than you will have to disconnect the fuse until you get the problem solved.

    The reasons for this can be moisture getting inside the chip card also it can be due to the fact that the window was not opened for a long time say 2-3 months and than as it was moved down there is a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Sir MashaALLAH boht himat walay banday hain ap. I go to the workshops fully armed and loaded, just in case an 'ustaad' even tries to do something which seems to be a jugaaar but if the mechanic is gud, then he (his team) deserves the treatment that u used to give them....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Memon Bhai, did you ever get the injectors of your idsi cleaned or changed? From what I know, Honda 3S guys don't offer injector cleaning at their workshops. I'll have to get it done from somewhere else. What do you suggest in this case, I mean should I go for it or drop the idea of injector problems altogether?

    Secondly, the pump you're using in your car, what happens if fuel runs lower than a quarter while driving?
    I remember Ahmad bhai also has the same pump installed in his car and he did mention some issues regarding fuel pressure being delivered to the engine.

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    Since my car went to the extent that it was impossible to start it on petrol so I had to go all out on everything related to petrol. My mechanic opened the injectors and put a cardboard in front of them connect with engine and started cranking. Only 1 was firing perfect 1 was entirely blocked and 2 were irregular in firing he tried cleaning it by carb cleaner but that did not help and I bought kabli 4 injectors in 3500rs and working fine.

    After I had got the work done I got a pm from a fellow member stating that they do ultrasonic cleaning of injectors and as he said and is also true that it is the authentic way to clean injectors. I think he quoted 3000-3500 rs for 4 injectors as I had already replaced my cars injectors so I said that I have already rectified the problem.

    I know that there is workshop here in lahore who is also offering ultrasonic cleaning and they also charge 3000-3500 rs i am not sure. Concern here is that what is the solvent they use to clean the injectors. The original solvent is expensive and if an improper solvent is used for cleaning it will damage the injectors. Since I bought the car second hand so I had no history so the cheaper and wiser option was injector change.

    But since I have experience this sluggish response from my car and have gone through it I can say just change the pump and you will be fine.

    Regarding pressure well last pump that I bought in 800rs was good in pressure, but the mechanic from whom I got it fitted was not my regular one and he left one of the pipe loose from its housing although the connection was perfect but due to pipe not sitting in housing the guage could not move so I cannot tell at what level but sometime back the fuel got really low and the pump started making goon goon sound and the car suffocating since I was near a pump so refilled fuel worth 500 rs i.e 5 ltr. As I was not too far away from home just 2 kms so went and parked the car next day went for refill and it was some 30 ltrs for full tank. Now take that 30+5 35 ltrs. So remaining fuel is 42 ltrs. Now 7 ltrs was left when car was suffocating so this is the level of reserve I think. Also I would like to add is that the pump was noisy from the start and that goon goon went away after complete refill. It was some 2 months back the pump started to make goon goon again but only if the car was driven for 50+ kms or with fuel under half. So I changed the pump before hand because I knew it was starting to take extra load.

    The pump I replaced with the pump costing 1500rs and went on a road trip to rawalakot. Recently I did 580+ kms in a single day with this pump with ascends of pir sohawa and salt range and allham dullilah no problem.

    Regarding fuel level well since you are using the car on petrol so what is the point in emptying the tank before each refill, Atleast I think it is better to refill when the tank reaches half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    today tried caltex havoline 5w40 in our city (2012 , 9k km run), car not driven much after the oil change though it felt more silent after the oil change. plan is to run it on this oil for 5k km. i hope it outperforms the honda synthetic oil (probably made by total)
    Now go and redline it in 2nd and 3rd gear so that engine washes completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    Resolved. Went to my old time electrician. Problem was with the switch on the right hand door. The switch which controlled the left front window was stuck in the down position, and the upper movement was free. When you use these buttons, they do click click on their up and down movement when you press them, right, but in my case the upper movement was free. He opened the left front door first and when he touched the motor, it was super hot. So he assumed that the down button was continuously engaged. Then he opened the right door and the panel and indeed it was so. The upper motion was free. Just adjusted it and I was good to go. Paid him 500. Money well spent. Lol
    He He He awesome job for sure. But one thing why was the window stuck in open position if the switch was stuck in down position? shouldn't it have moved fully down and get stuck there ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    Actually the reason behind pump failure is definitely filter getting choked. The filter is just a made of a material similar to the net and is called fuel pump sock. Unfortunately the sock that comes with aftermarket fuel pump does not fit the pump and we are bound to use the old filter i.e sock. The plastic case has nothing inside that can clog I once opened the spare case that I had and it had nothing inside that can be blocked. There is only 1 important thing and that is FPR spring. Since your car has done 230k kms the pump surely would have gone weak. It is also working even when the CNG is in use, so I think now is the time to change.

    P.S the thing I mentioned about fuel pump sock is only about after market pumps bought from open market. Honda genuine will cost a lot and its sock might fit but again the issue here is practicality I installed 800 rs pump and it worked I used to redline in 3rd gear at some 128km/hr and sometime back did redline in 4th so the pressure was good.
    Hmmm. Well, I am hoping to go to a honda 3S dealer for the job, since I realized that the maximum they"ll be charging me is probably a fraction around 8-10k Rs. The car deserves at least that, I mean its used like HELL all week long, at least after that I'll have peace of mind for another 20k kms or so. So I think they"ll fit in a new sock with the oem pump.

    Oem pump costs around 4k something I think. And I didn't get the part: Isnt there a sort of relay that cuts off the power to the fuel pump once the car converts on cng? Wouldnt it burn if it continues pumping while there being no outlet to the fuel inside the engine bay...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    Since my car went to the extent that it was impossible to start it on petrol so I had to go all out on everything related to petrol. My mechanic opened the injectors and put a cardboard in front of them connect with engine and started cranking. Only 1 was firing perfect 1 was entirely blocked and 2 were irregular in firing he tried cleaning it by carb cleaner but that did not help and I bought kabli 4 injectors in 3500rs and working fine.

    After I had got the work done I got a pm from a fellow member stating that they do ultrasonic cleaning of injectors and as he said and is also true that it is the authentic way to clean injectors. I think he quoted 3000-3500 rs for 4 injectors as I had already replaced my cars injectors so I said that I have already rectified the problem.

    I know that there is workshop here in lahore who is also offering ultrasonic cleaning and they also charge 3000-3500 rs i am not sure. Concern here is that what is the solvent they use to clean the injectors. The original solvent is expensive and if an improper solvent is used for cleaning it will damage the injectors. Since I bought the car second hand so I had no history so the cheaper and wiser option was injector change.

    But since I have experience this sluggish response from my car and have gone through it I can say just change the pump and you will be fine.

    Regarding pressure well last pump that I bought in 800rs was good in pressure, but the mechanic from whom I got it fitted was not my regular one and he left one of the pipe loose from its housing although the connection was perfect but due to pipe not sitting in housing the guage could not move so I cannot tell at what level but sometime back the fuel got really low and the pump started making goon goon sound and the car suffocating since I was near a pump so refilled fuel worth 500 rs i.e 5 ltr. As I was not too far away from home just 2 kms so went and parked the car next day went for refill and it was some 30 ltrs for full tank. Now take that 30+5 35 ltrs. So remaining fuel is 42 ltrs. Now 7 ltrs was left when car was suffocating so this is the level of reserve I think. Also I would like to add is that the pump was noisy from the start and that goon goon went away after complete refill. It was some 2 months back the pump started to make goon goon again but only if the car was driven for 50+ kms or with fuel under half. So I changed the pump before hand because I knew it was starting to take extra load.

    The pump I replaced with the pump costing 1500rs and went on a road trip to rawalakot. Recently I did 580+ kms in a single day with this pump with ascends of pir sohawa and salt range and allham dullilah no problem.

    Regarding fuel level well since you are using the car on petrol so what is the point in emptying the tank before each refill, Atleast I think it is better to refill when the tank reaches half.
    Hmmmm, sounds interesting. Well the story of today, the car was performing bad on ng due to reasons unknown to me, I had shifted to it after driving petrol car so it died a couple of times in 1st gear. And guess what, it took 12 cranks to fire it up on petrol

    Peer sohawaandsalt range, no way, mine is in a state that hardly allows it to move even on an incline LMAO.

    So what do you suggest, I mean should I give a shot to Liqui Moly injector cleaner..? Or probably set off with getting them cleaned? Because hal tou waise he nahee rahay, kharab huzy to kabli le loon ga

    And a thought just occured to me, is it possible that a chunk of carbon or other impurities from the filter broke off and lead to the injectors getting clogged? The reason why I thought this was because just around a couple of thousand kms back, the starting and stuff was perfect, just the acceleration was too sluggish. This crap started like just a while before. What spark plugs are you using in you car?

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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    today tried caltex havoline 5w40 in our city (2012 , 9k km run), car not driven much after the oil change though it felt more silent after the oil change. plan is to run it on this oil for 5k km. i hope it outperforms the honda synthetic oil (probably made by total)
    its going to islamabad tomorrow...safai wesay hi ho jayegi motorway pe


    wesay is it safe for city? i mean it isn't too thin is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Bumping up my problems hayy koee bandaa?
    there is a professional mechanic at The honda 2s Rwl, peshawar road named Muneeb. Although he can do all work (except alignment), but u have to tell him to do things very gently since u care 4 ur car engine bay as well.
    spark plug to PW kay kisi bai say mangwa lo e.g jz or someone else. Transmission oil be genuine Mehran auto Rwl sadar road say lay lo. and wheel alignment, ye 3 kam to independent he kara lo.

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    Fuel pump should cut off after converting to cng in my opinion otherwise fuel line will get pressurized. If pump is on during cng operation then it must be throwing fuel again in tank through return line.
    @rollon do someting and dont wait. if the injector or pump is too bad, liqy moley will do little if diease is in final stage then it will cured only through surgery. @memon u redline too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Hmmm. Well, I am hoping to go to a honda 3S dealer for the job, since I realized that the maximum they"ll be charging me is probably a fraction around 8-10k Rs. The car deserves at least that, I mean its used like HELL all week long, at least after that I'll have peace of mind for another 20k kms or so. So I think they"ll fit in a new sock with the oem pump.

    Oem pump costs around 4k something I think. And I didn't get the part: Isnt there a sort of relay that cuts off the power to the fuel pump once the car converts on cng? Wouldnt it burn if it continues pumping while there being no outlet to the fuel inside the engine bay...?

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    Are you sure oem pump costs just 4k rs. Sometime back when I called them about the price they said they will charge around 25000 rs for the job may be they were just kidding, but if it is just 4k for the oem than those ***** cost honda some business here because I would have gone for that with my eyes closed.

    The pump is intended to run all the time so the companies dont put a relay. Well if you open a pipe in the engine bay that is petrol inlet for the engine it is quite pressurized and on opening will spill a lot of petrol. The pump is like a fridge or ac compressor it runs at a constant speed no matter how much petrol is required. It is the fpr that regulates the pressure of petrol in the system. Once the line is pressurized according to the requirement the excess fuel is sent back to the tank. So the fuel pump is working all the time.

    The pump would burn only in case if its inlet is blocked too much or there is too less petrol in the tank. The intank fuel pump is cooled down by being in the tank and if it does not find petrol it will burn. This is the reason why mechanics dont test the pump outside the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Hmmmm, sounds interesting. Well the story of today, the car was performing bad on ng due to reasons unknown to me, I had shifted to it after driving petrol car so it died a couple of times in 1st gear. And guess what, it took 12 cranks to fire it up on petrol

    Peer sohawaandsalt range, no way, mine is in a state that hardly allows it to move even on an incline LMAO.

    So what do you suggest, I mean should I give a shot to Liqui Moly injector cleaner..? Or probably set off with getting them cleaned? Because hal tou waise he nahee rahay, kharab huzy to kabli le loon ga

    And a thought just occured to me, is it possible that a chunk of carbon or other impurities from the filter broke off and lead to the injectors getting clogged? The reason why I thought this was because just around a couple of thousand kms back, the starting and stuff was perfect, just the acceleration was too sluggish. This crap started like just a while before. What spark plugs are you using in you car?

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    Your assumption is too narrow to be true yet it is quite plausible. Since the petrol moves in several pipes and thin spaces I dont think a large particle can make its way to the injectors. Normally they are clogged from outside due to CNG use and from inside they are clogged if petrol that is varnish like is used.

    I would say that leave injectors at the moment and concentrate on the pump, if the problem sustains than go to injectors, and please do inquire from honda before hand what will they charge for pump complete replacement and I doubt the oem genuine one cost 4000 rs

    BTW my car when its fuel pump was bad was flawless on CNG I dont know why your car is giving you trouble on CNG. Yes when you shift from a petrol car to CNG it does feel like its dead but missing is indigestible atleast to me.

    I am using stock spark plugs NGK BP6RE Y11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    its going to islamabad tomorrow...safai wesay hi ho jayegi motorway pe


    wesay is it safe for city? i mean it isn't too thin is it?
    Well I think the japenese manual recommends 0w20 or 0w30 since our weather is not that cold so 5w is perfect Also 40 is a grade good enough for our weather. So your choice is perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolsmart View Post
    Fuel pump should cut off after converting to cng in my opinion otherwise fuel line will get pressurized. If pump is on during cng operation then it must be throwing fuel again in tank through return line.
    @rollon do someting and dont wait. if the injector or pump is too bad, liqy moley will do little if diease is in final stage then it will cured only through surgery. @memon u redline too much.
    No the fuel pump does not cut off it works as it would work on petrol. No the fuel line will not get overpressurized because FPR will control the flow of petrol. Yes the excess and a matter of fact all the petrol during CNG use is thrown back to the tank.

    Well there is no sound in the world that can match to the sound of a redlining engine. Well I dont redline it too often but once in a while like after every 500 kms a km or two in redline dont harm plus they open up the air flow passages in the engine and burn excess carbon and unburnt fuel deposits.

    BTW my cars exhaust system has leakage in the area underneath driver seat due to it hitting every other speed breaker and it makes it sound like wow. I will show you a clip someday when the car sounds like a sports car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    No bro dont get disheart. After all they are machines and any fault can occur in any type of a car. Remember one thing that allah tests his mankind by giving them troubles and a person is only tested to a level which he can counter. May be allah thinks that you can counter and get through his tests so he is testing you. Same is the case with me I drive my cars with utmost care and yet they give me problems and I have seen people raping their cars and yet they are trouble free so I think that more I increase my level of tolerance more Allah will test me and this is the ultimate thing in life of a man.

    Coming to your problem you must know that for every motor of anything that draws amperes there are relays in the system. Sometimes a relay is used for a single item sometimes a relay powers more than one. The click sound is relay getting active. The reason for this appearing again and again is there is some electronic malfunction that is causing the relay to activate again and again. Now that electronic fault can be anywhere from master switch assembly to power window motor to anything that is connected in the system

    As a simple diagnosis I would suggest you to get under the dash board and disconnect the fuse for main power window assembly. See and hear if the sound appear again if it does not there is a problem with power window circuit. After that put the fuse back and start the car roll down the windows to half level now see if windows move when this click is produced if they move upwards than you will have to disconnect the fuse until you get the problem solved.

    The reasons for this can be moisture getting inside the chip card also it can be due to the fact that the window was not opened for a long time say 2-3 months and than as it was moved down there is a problem.
    thanks for the kind words bhai but the only thing is that one buys new car for the satisfaction that it wont trouble u for say next 3 to 4 years at least, and just within one year these many things have happened. regarding the window problem, i have already mentioned above that it was somethig to do with the master control on the driver door which was controlling the left window, it kind of had slipped

    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    He He He awesome job for sure. But one thing why was the window stuck in open position if the switch was stuck in down position? shouldn't it have moved fully down and get stuck there ?

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    now thats one damn good observation....hahahaha...u meant that why was the window stuck in CLOSED position if the window was stuck in DOWN position (the window open position) maybe as the upper click motion was free, very much possible that the button when last used to CLOSE the window got free and stuck there, hence constantly providing current to the motor, which in result was extremely hot. the clicking sound must have been some mechanism in it which was trying to disconnect the circuit, and once it did, the next click sound might be from the stuck UPWARD motion of the button, thereby engaging the motor again.....and maybe when the system noticed in next 5 seconds that bhai he is still holding the button up, it kicked in to disconnect the circuit again with a CLICK sound i heard, only to be clicked AGAIN by the stuck button and so on. thats the only logical explanation i have

    PS : gibberish, right ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skt_Z4 View Post
    Well as per My Experience HONDA Pit Stop Guys are Good,

    The Best HONDA City Lahore owners at PW are:
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    They only go to HONDA 3S & I think they can guide U pretty much well, & they're really Nice Behaving people i met on PW.

    Further I found a Thread May be it'll solve Ur Matter, If U'll go down Further in this Forum U'll find out HONDA Car Service Shop Reviews:
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    i bring my city to honda city sales from day first being reason some salam dua with manager of city sales and always request him to ref car to best mechanic in workshop.

    this is true they always overload with work so next time will try honda airport motors inshallah

    for my corolla i had bad experince with toyota walton motors as they steal something from my car so now now my choice is toyota airport motors though same owner but they behave better
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