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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    My corolla has the same. A simple ring with with this slitted nozzle protruding up to the center of the circle. It doesn't block any air, the car is totally fine without any kind of blockage!

    I don't have that ring for the city and I am NOT putting this one back in for sure, so I am a bit worried about the nozzle. The hole in the intake assembly is quite big, this ring used to push the nozzle farthest to the side and sort of fixed it there, then epoxy glue was used to seal it up. Without this ring, the nozzle might refuse to stay in only on the basis of epoxy.

    What do you suggest? Should I try tuning it without any tape first? My advancer is also on dynamic advance mode. On petrol the car is simply a charm, was never a problem in local driving. On highways however, it felt like jammed on the road and took ages to touch 100.

    Now it can easily give a brand new Corolla Xli/Gli tough time. Didn't have the chance to test it beyond 120 kph. All this time I thought injectors have poop in them...!
    I would suggest that first try to get your hands on burner type venturi or the simple one used in your gli. Once it is done and CNG inlet is all good and proper than go for CNG tuning only no need for petrol tuning at that point as the sensors will adjust all the perimeters accordingly

    I would like to tell you an interesting thing. As my car battery had serviced me for 2.5 years it was time to replace it. I asked my dad to bring the battery when he comes back from office. This morning I changed the battery, had the system disconnected for about 15 minutes so the ecu resets. When I connected the battery and started the car the idling felt smoother but there is a problem than when I take my foot of the pedal the rpms drop to 600 and than jump back to 800 mark. With AC on the performance was same jump down to 600 and than up to 900. I parked the car converted to CNG the car did not convert in a single go tried 2-3 times. On CNG there were 2-3 jumps before returning back to 800 but the initial throtle like from 800-1500 was quicker and smoother. I turnde of the car started again the jumps decresed to 1-2, converted the car back to petrol and now there are no jumps at all on petrol.

    BTW although after taking the tape off the pick was increased but today with ecu reset it was further increased. I think now the ecu has adjusted itself to the increased air flow

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    [QUOTE=RollOnBigMaMa;4228622]Can you help me find it bro??

    Honda City Fan Club -1348557


    in karachi its easily available ... i have checked it from landi renzo workshop of defence thay have it... but u r from isb. i guess... search the authorised dealer of landi renzo over there....

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolsmart View Post
    @a_n_memon88, Some time the mechanics do tappet setting in a way that u need blockage of intake
    O pai ainj na karaia karo maray bandaya day naal

    Do you know what is the purpose of valve clearance? They are just for the purpose to allow metal to expand when hot, if their is no or less clearance the metal will bend. So the tappet clearance only makes a difference of 19-20 not that much so that you have change the cars intake setup etc.

    You cannot do miracles with just tappet adjustments, people who modify their cars also change their engines cam profile so that valves can go further down in the cylinders to let more fuel inside the chamber. If you observe the tappet clearances are 0.008-0.010 inch while the cam profile allows the valve to move around an inch or less so it is 0.8-1 % or lets say 5% of total valves movement. Now tell me how much difference those 5% can make.

    Guys dont get me wrong here I am not saying that tappet clearance wont do any harm to performance yes it would do but it is not possible that due to tappet adjustment you have to block the air intake for proper functioning of the car.

    Now I tell you why mechanics love to block the air intake it is only because they learnt so from their ustaads thats it. I had a nissan sunny 1.0 dx CNGed people told me to block its intake I did that pick went bad but the mileage did not improve because I had to push the car harder removed the blockage and pick improved with no change in mileage. In the meanwhile I had to retune the CNG 2-3 times.

    On efi cars properly calibrate the advancer emulator and than re adjust the CNG and you are good to go, CNG blockage is not a thing that car can not work without it

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    [QUOTE=KLINCH;4229419]
    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Can you help me find it bro??

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    in karachi its easily available ... i have checked it from landi renzo workshop of defence thay have it... but u r from isb. i guess... search the authorised dealer of landi renzo over there....
    the price of such venturi and will it fit all the cars that were CNGed in the past

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Any update??
    Changed engine oil but still same. Every morning for 1-2 minutes I have to heard that tik tik sound. I have the audio clip in mobile. But unable to upload on PW


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    Salam every1...i bought my brand new honda city yesterday that is 28-01-2014 nd going to install indash dvd player in it so selling my stock alpine pre...it has usb and front aux options with audio cd player...interested people can contact me at 0321-7793333

    Note: i live in faisalabad and item can be shipped anywhere in pakistan on buyers risk and expense nd price is 6.5k fnf...
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    Price is 1600/- and i dont know about other vehicles but they have the one that is made for honda city 2003-8..


    [QUOTE=a_n_memon88;4229500]
    Quote Originally Posted by KLINCH View Post

    the price of such venturi and will it fit all the cars that were CNGed in the past

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    @devil33: May I know in which colour you bought your City?

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil33 View Post
    Salam every1...i bought my brand new honda city yesterday that is 28-01-2014 nd going to install indash dvd player in it so selling my stock alpine pre...it has usb and front aux options with audio cd player...interested people can contact me at 0321-7793333

    Note: i live in faisalabad and item can be shipped anywhere in pakistan on buyers risk and expense nd price is 6.5k fnf...
    Any idea if it would fit in my 2008 city idsi (without any modifications)?

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    Hi guys!! I am currently driving City 2004
    I have been driving it from the past 3 years, Overall its been a wonderful experience! But the problem I have been facing and even before that as it was being driven by my uncle, is that on long routes, its steering gets stuck while its straight, and one has to apply force to even slightly turn it. Honda pit stop workers, located in Aabpara market, they replaced some part of the column with the new one, but still the problem is there. Can anyone guide me, what the real problem is, and who should I refer to?? Secondly, I have like deep scratches on my windscreen, which is a real problem, when driving at night. I have heard that buff would undo the screen to the new one. Can anyone guide me to where it could be done??
    Thankyou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rohban427 View Post
    @devil33: May I know in which colour you bought your City?
    T. White
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    Quote Originally Posted by atifkh74 View Post
    Any idea if it would fit in my 2008 city idsi (without any modifications)?
    Sure! It can be fitted in any car without any alteration at all...
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    [QUOTE=KLINCH;4229651]Price is 1600/- and i dont know about other vehicles but they have the one that is made for honda city 2003-8..

    Will think about it and tell you, BTW do you have any experiences of changing it from the simple one and the results that you got

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    o pai je mannu ke pata kay aap Gharor da sir ho.

    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    O pai ainj na karaia karo maray bandaya day naal

    Do you know what is the purpose of valve clearance? They are just for the purpose to allow metal to expand when hot, if their is no or less clearance the metal will bend. So the tappet clearance only makes a difference of 19-20 not that much so that you have change the cars intake setup etc.

    You cannot do miracles with just tappet adjustments, people who modify their cars also change their engines cam profile so that valves can go further down in the cylinders to let more fuel inside the chamber. If you observe the tappet clearances are 0.008-0.010 inch while the cam profile allows the valve to move around an inch or less so it is 0.8-1 % or lets say 5% of total valves movement. Now tell me how much difference those 5% can make.

    Guys dont get me wrong here I am not saying that tappet clearance wont do any harm to performance yes it would do but it is not possible that due to tappet adjustment you have to block the air intake for proper functioning of the car.

    Now I tell you why mechanics love to block the air intake it is only because they learnt so from their ustaads thats it. I had a nissan sunny 1.0 dx CNGed people told me to block its intake I did that pick went bad but the mileage did not improve because I had to push the car harder removed the blockage and pick improved with no change in mileage. In the meanwhile I had to retune the CNG 2-3 times.

    On efi cars properly calibrate the advancer emulator and than re adjust the CNG and you are good to go, CNG blockage is not a thing that car can not work without it

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    Just did a day trip to @ahmadbila's town. Enjoyed a full 18 km per litre fuel economy all the way including inter city commute. Removed all the blockage and whatever was installed in the air filter box last night and taped off the hole. It cost me the same as CNG would have, though minus driving fun and minus the time wastage.

    New fuel pump and injectors coming through!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    Just did a day trip to @ahmadbila's town. Enjoyed a full 18 km per litre fuel economy all the way including inter city commute. Removed all the blockage and whatever was installed in the air filter box last night and taped off the hole. It cost me the same as CNG would have, though minus driving fun and minus the time wastage.

    New fuel pump and injectors coming through!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    @ahmadbila, This is what I was talking about. The venturi installed for CNG in my car. Its blocking almost WHOLE of the air inlet, not just 50%..! I felt my car to be as shitty as ever on Petrol with this installed. However now that its out, the acceleration above 60kph has drastically increased and the economy has improved.

    I loved flooring it yesterday.
    @a_n_memon88, your car had 'tape' put on its intake? Mine has no tape, only this metallic ring.

    Its basically put into the rubber 'mouth' that slides over the throttle body of the car, such that the periphery of this ring matches exactly with that of the Throttle body. This is 98% of Intake air being blocked! Look at the way it sits in.

    I have circled the area in the last picture, this is where I took it out. I think I am not going to put it back in for CNG purpose now. This must be torture for the car.
    dammit man! thats almost completely blocked :O in my car, the intake was around 50% blocked, i took it off but did not feel much difference. but im sure u did feel difference in ur car. actually ur setup is different. mine does not have this venturi thing, it has a directly injected nozzle type of thing in the injector. just a 1/3 inch wide pipe going about 1 inch into the plastic intake just below the MAP or MAF sensor whatever that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
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