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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by umertango View Post
    sent this e mail to honda lets see wat reply comes or may be not



    dear Honda ,

    i was buying a swift , but i forced by dad to buy me city , because it has a reputation and comfort . i have bought new city from Karachi one week back ..i have done 400 km and here are my observations . plz read carefully


    1. hard and gear shifting is not smooth
    2. the car picks acceleration rapidly after 2.5 rpm in second gear with AC on.it can be dangerous , as it feels the acceleration is not in you control (at times for that particular instance)
    3. very very hard suspension. i mean with ur standard eurostar and 32 psi in front . my back hurts .
    4. theres no AC cabin filter why ??




    you know the rods of Pakistan . what are you guys doing since 2009 all models have same issue . i am very upset and i seriously want to sell this car. no exaggeration . somebody give me answers plz especially for the hard suspension. honda is known for its comfort and quality ??? where is the comfort


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    You have to buy cabin filter from market

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    @omerakif

    While driving i encountered this same problem in the rain. This is due to the mist on the windscreen on the inside or outside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5555 View Post
    You have to buy cabin filter from market

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    thats the question y i have to buy ? why the company has not installed and if not than prove that this is not required

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    Quote Originally Posted by umertango View Post
    thats the question y i have to buy ? why the company has not installed and if not than prove that this is not required
    Bro i bought a brand new aspire 2014 in march
    Suffered almost 6 months and sold it at a loss of 220k
    Its pathetic suspension made me old
    Now going for corolla as its the most comfortable pkdm
    No offence honda lovers but this was my experience
    Idsi was a great ride from the same brand but new city is total crap
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    Quote Originally Posted by ussi View Post
    Bro i bought a brand new aspire 2014 in march
    Suffered almost 6 months and sold it at a loss of 220k
    Its pathetic suspension made me old
    Now going for corolla as its the most comfortable pkdm
    No offence honda lovers but this was my experience
    Idsi was a great ride from the same brand but new city is total crap

    rollla is good i guess thats y it is expenisve than city .....u r rite

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    Quote Originally Posted by umertango View Post
    wat can be done , to improve the suspension except changing tires ...and wat gear shifting its also hard ..will that improve with time ?? i think i have made bad decision to buy city i shkld have gone 4 swift
    No other option except tyres...rest live with it...or sale it, one of my family members bought it, and to my surprise its really not worth buying...gear shift is also hard, hopefully will get better after some tym or may be i get used to it...rest no comparison with idsi and civic...cant say about corolla as i never experianced that...nevetheless city is a big disappointment

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    What is the best oil for Honda City 2011. Driven 33k KM. I am currently using Shell HX7 and change it after 4500 km.

    What is the price of Liqui Moly 10W-40 oil. Car point at Thokar Niaz Baig is selling at Rs. 4,600 for 4L pack. Is this the correct price ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by umertango View Post
    sent this e mail to honda lets see wat reply comes or may be not



    dear Honda ,

    i was buying a swift , but i forced by dad to buy me city , because it has a reputation and comfort . i have bought new city from Karachi one week back ..i have done 400 km and here are my observations . plz read carefully


    1. hard and gear shifting is not smooth
    2. the car picks acceleration rapidly after 2.5 rpm in second gear with AC on.it can be dangerous , as it feels the acceleration is not in you control (at times for that particular instance)
    3. very very hard suspension. i mean with ur standard eurostar and 32 psi in front . my back hurts .
    4. theres no AC cabin filter why ??




    you know the rods of Pakistan . what are you guys doing since 2009 all models have same issue . i am very upset and i seriously want to sell this car. no exaggeration . somebody give me answers plz especially for the hard suspension. honda is known for its comfort and quality ??? where is the comfort


    xxx
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5555 View Post
    You have to buy cabin filter from market

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    Quote Originally Posted by ussi View Post
    Bro i bought a brand new aspire 2014 in march
    Suffered almost 6 months and sold it at a loss of 220k
    Its pathetic suspension made me old
    Now going for corolla as its the most comfortable pkdm
    No offence honda lovers but this was my experience
    Idsi was a great ride from the same brand but new city is total crap
    Quote Originally Posted by usama1 View Post
    No other option except tyres...rest live with it...or sale it, one of my family members bought it, and to my surprise its really not worth buying...gear shift is also hard, hopefully will get better after some tym or may be i get used to it...rest no comparison with idsi and civic...cant say about corolla as i never experianced that...nevetheless city is a big disappointment

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    a guy called my from regional off lkarachi and asked that he will test drive my car and offer comments ,,, i think he will compare my car for faults with other models . i told him these are standard issues he said first we need to test drive ur car . lets see

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    Quote Originally Posted by ussi View Post
    Bro i bought a brand new aspire 2014 in march
    Suffered almost 6 months and sold it at a loss of 220k
    Its pathetic suspension made me old
    Now going for corolla as its the most comfortable pkdm
    No offence honda lovers but this was my experience
    Idsi was a great ride from the same brand but new city is total crap
    Idsi is more silent as well as compare to new city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umertango View Post
    a guy called my from regional off lkarachi and asked that he will test drive my car and offer comments ,,, i think he will compare my car for faults with other models . i told him these are standard issues he said first we need to test drive ur car . lets see
    Tell us the latest outcome...but as per my prediction, they ll say...IT IS LIKE THAT...NO PROB IN IT...

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    Hi pakwheelers,i am buying a car for the first time ... planing to get a secondhand honda city..a dealer have shown me honda city 2012. 1 door touch up , back bike hitting small dent , grey colour, ride is well maintained ,odo is 60000 km--DEMAND : 1330000 final---..people with appropriate knowledge plx help me is the deal worth?? should i buy it? PLX HELP GUYS..(also tell the actual worth of this car) ..thnx in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by xteive View Post
    Hi pakwheelers,i am buying a car for the first time ... planing to get a secondhand honda city..a dealer have shown me honda city 2012. 1 door touch up , back bike hitting small dent , grey colour, ride is well maintained ,odo is 60000 km--DEMAND : 1330000 final---..people with appropriate knowledge plx help me is the deal worth?? should i buy it? PLX HELP GUYS..(also tell the actual worth of this car) ..thnx in advance
    Go with some expert dentor. Dealors are mostly liers
    What's registration city? Token?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ussi View Post
    Bro i bought a brand new aspire 2014 in march
    Suffered almost 6 months and sold it at a loss of 220k
    Its pathetic suspension made me old
    Now going for corolla as its the most comfortable pkdm
    No offence honda lovers but this was my experience
    Idsi was a great ride from the same brand but new city is total crap
    Totally agreed.... i still regret moving from Corolla to City.... biggest mistake of my life..... the only thing good about Honda City 2009 onwards is its fuel consumption. I own a Honda City 2012 1.3L Manual.....
    Its really uncomfortable..... its a proper comfort killing package from Honda.... Hard Suspension.... and also hard seats..... its a headache to drive it everyday.... no comfort whatsoever..... and also i have driven it like 4-5 times from Lahore - Peshawar and then Peshawar to Lahore..... and all those 480 Kilometers.... i had back ache due to the hard seats... a very uncomfortable ride on motorway for 6 hours.....
    Also agreed with the gear shift.... its hard and the gear knob is very small and hurts the hand..... should have been a bit bigger in size....

    A very uncomfortable car..... i am also planning to sell it and go for a Corolla GLi probably 2010 or 2011..... or maybe i go for a Toyota Vitz or Belta instead.... i am really disappointed by City....

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    Quote Originally Posted by usama1 View Post
    Idsi is more silent as well as compare to new city.

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    IDSI is a better package... it has a spacious cabin, comfortable seats and suspension..... i was going to get IDSI but couldnt find one with less miles on the clock and in good condition. So had to go for City 2012..... A very disappointing car

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    Quote Originally Posted by umertango View Post
    sent this e mail to honda lets see wat reply comes or may be not



    dear Honda ,

    i was buying a swift , but i forced by dad to buy me city , because it has a reputation and comfort . i have bought new city from Karachi one week back ..i have done 400 km and here are my observations . plz read carefully


    1. hard and gear shifting is not smooth
    2. the car picks acceleration rapidly after 2.5 rpm in second gear with AC on.it can be dangerous , as it feels the acceleration is not in you control (at times for that particular instance)
    3. very very hard suspension. i mean with ur standard eurostar and 32 psi in front . my back hurts .
    4. theres no AC cabin filter why ??




    you know the rods of Pakistan . what are you guys doing since 2009 all models have same issue . i am very upset and i seriously want to sell this car. no exaggeration . somebody give me answers plz especially for the hard suspension. honda is known for its comfort and quality ??? where is the comfort


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    The 2nd point u posted is due to the Drive by Wire system in Honda's..... the sudden acceleration is normal in the new City.... and will be there in the next generation too if Honda gives the same Drive by Wire system in it..... it totally destroys the driving experience of the car....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RavAGE View Post
    The 2nd point u posted is due to the Drive by Wire system in Honda's..... the sudden acceleration is normal in the new City.... and will be there in the next generation too if Honda gives the same Drive by Wire system in it..... it totally destroys the driving experience of the car....
    Totally agreed...DBW is rubbish...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RavAGE View Post
    The 2nd point u posted is due to the Drive by Wire system in Honda's..... the sudden acceleration is normal in the new City.... and will be there in the next generation too if Honda gives the same Drive by Wire system in it..... it totally destroys the driving experience of the car....
    Quote Originally Posted by usama1 View Post
    Totally agreed...DBW is rubbish...

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    but the question is all these new technologies like drive by wire etc are new ...and if they are new than they have to be good . i think majority of latest cars have drive by wire sys ..nd if u search ion internet this system has its own advantages .

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    Quote Originally Posted by umertango View Post
    but the question is all these new technologies like drive by wire etc are new ...and if they are new than they have to be good . i think majority of latest cars have drive by wire sys ..nd if u search ion internet this system has its own advantages .
    I tried my best to find out its advantage on net and in real world...on net it says that DBW is better responsive where as in actual it is contrary...however in corolla 2009+ and civic2006+ its also DBW...but i have observed that it is notnl necessary that every new tech will be better as in case of 2009+ corolla we can see the AC system and sensor compressor which is not better then its prredessesor model AC...

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    City aspire 1.5 vs new 2014 1.8 altis.. Whos gonna win the race? Any idea?


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