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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    @ahmadbila
    nice topic

    here's my second generation city Exi/s.very happy with its performance.never wanted to know about how much milleage it gives in a litre.driven totally on petrol.and its pick on petrol is pretty amazing.lots of people warns me not to go for it as its automatic transmission have'nt got a good repute among lots of people.lolz.but i made a descision and bought it 2nd hand (only driven 13k km/s) for 735k from jhelum.belive me till now it have'nt gone for any maintainance.just regular oil change and thats it.i have bought it in 2003 and now is 2008.its still galloping strong :-) its almost reached 57000 kms.some pics

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    @sarmadm
    i put it into 5th gear on 80km/h if im in no need for speed...its written on the manual that the car shud b placed into 5th gear on 75km/h...
    bro make a habit.change gears before u hit 3000rpm.that wud give u excellent economy.i do the same when im in need of economy...!!!

    @fso
    hhmmm...did it fit back in correctly? ok do post pix after u put the new body kit...

    @mitthu
    thanx dude.man i wud hav to say thats the best city ever marketed in pakistan.we kept this one for a couple of months when it was launched newly.nd it was amazing...what an excellnt car it was ...it was a treat to drive this car at that time...nd still is today.we had one in silver color...exis manual transmission.i really loved that car.hey wat wud b the worth of this car now?one in good condition etc?
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    well havnt done it yet gonna do it after the reg and the body kit is almsot the as the steermatic..
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    @ahmad
    yeh i would have to agree with u on that its the best city ever marketed in pakistan.and i really didnt mean that i dont like 4th generation city.call me old fashion but every1 has his own likes and dislikes.i love sedans.and in my point of view sedans look pretty amazing in large size.as far as prices are concerned my friend the market price is very down these days for all honda models.i dont know why wether its our market trend or what.if u see most of the adds of honda city in pakwheels than ul come to know that where the prices stand.i even see some adds in which people were asking 6 lacs for 2000 model honda city driven approx 80k to 100k km/s plus.but market price is 405k to 450k.it means this car has something special in it that makes it sellers to sell it beyond market value.lolz i have 2002 model city 57k only.but the market price is 550k to 575k.but am not gonna sell it untill i get suitable price.if i sell it than i will regret after that bcuz i will never gonna find any car for 6 lacs.nowadayz in 6 lacs ul get suzuki alto lolz.am talkin about brand new stuff not the used one.if i willnot get my required price than i dont mind keeping it.it gives me luxary,pick,value of money,economy,respect in terms of (shape) lolz no offence to 4th generation city owners.it is still on petrol and yesterday i fill it to the mouth and go from kharian to rawalpindi and came back.(sumtimz with the a.c on) bcuz the weather is pretty hot from 2 pm to 5 pm thats all in 1000 rupees.now thats what i call economy.
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    just got my baby delivered a week back.....waiting to get it registered. Will upload new ones soon!
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    nsusher: congrats bro, very nice choice of color. Is it manual or auto?
    Hail to the King Baeeeebay!!!!

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    thanx bro...yea its Stone Silver, manual all the way my friend....only 20kms on it. Deciding on the accessories ill be getting on it and the budget limitations
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    dude i would recommend:

    1. change tyres immediately and go for imported ones
    2. change battery to dry cell one
    3. go for original fog lights
    Hail to the King Baeeeebay!!!!

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    Dry Cell Battery! hmmmm didnt think of it but gonna consider it
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    @fso
    stermatic body kit? wat do u mean man? i havnt seen any type of body kit on steermatic.plz post any pic u hav...!!!

    @mitthu
    bro im not at all gona call u old fashion.bucz i also like it ...its really really very decent.yeah market of hondas r never like toyotas in pakistan atleast cuz hondas allways hav the technology which most ppl cant understand.give a steermatic to a man who has driven 82 rolla all his age nd hez gonna say what the heck is this thing? hehhe
    nd yeah dnt sell ur car until ur not bored of it.nd i dnt think its gona feel bore very soon...!!! nd ur ryt if u gonna sell it,ur gonna get a damn suzuki so better keep it until u get ur hands on sum money to get a new one.
    well,according to me,the 01-03 city has a decent shape,is a fully loaded car nd is complete in every way.but the things it lack is that engine was not very advanced technology nd was not as economical as this present city is.new city is alot more roomier also...but that nothing out of the world...ofcoures...a newer model has to hav sumthing better than the previous 1.
    but as a whole,every model of city rocks big time nd its the best car ever produced locally in 1300cc catagory.

    @nausher
    bro congratulations on ur new ride....that color is the most graceful nd most sold color too....nd yeah change the rimz nd tyres of ur ride.it wud give u better handelling.

    @retrograde
    bro i never understood y do u recommend dy cell batteries to every1 who buys city wat the secret of this? will u plz explain?
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    @ahmed
    thanks bro...now all i need is tips n tricks to a good fuel consumption, this guy i know says that he follows the gear shifts given in the manual ( ie: 5th gear once hez over 75km/h) and its givin him 13-14 kms/litre in city. Any comments?

    Also, is size 15' rim recommended? though i know steermatic has it but ppl say that it increases petrol consumption , plus ur speed on the speedometer is not wat its showing , + - 10 % or something....
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    @Nausher0
    Congrats on Purchase.Nice Colour!
    So You changed your decision. You Got city instead of lancer!
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    @Punk,

    Changed quite a few decisions actually...the lancer i was interested in...was a 2007 GL, `5k driven wit CNG isb no. but the guy wasnt sellin it lesser than 8.30 , so it wasnt a deal , in the end it was a close call betweeen liana lxi (FF CNG) and city...and though perks were more in the liana i opted for the City instead. IM GLAD atleast if nothing else it looks less prettier from the outside than the Liana
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    ahmad and all other bros: dry cell battery is not related to city only. As you will agree the biggest advantage of it is that you dont need to worry about keeping the water level within the battery to max level and sometimes a person forgets and if that happens then its "bye bye" battery

    so you see dry cell or maintenance free batteries will give you unattended power!! - and also they are commonly available these days and with a new car with new battery, you will have to spend less in the exchange.
    Hail to the King Baeeeebay!!!!

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    I always shift gear as soon as RPM reches around 2.5k. Very rarely I reach 3k on rpm for gear shifting.

    @nausher
    I have 15" tyres on my city IDSi and they work fine. The only thing I noticed that once my car was fully loaded i.e. turnk full of bagage + cng cylender and 3 audults on the back seat and on GT Road on high speed and on heavy bumps, the tyres touched the body for a split second. Apart from that, no problem.
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    if u wanna go for 15", then buy low profile tyres, will offer good grip but you will loose the comfort
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    @nausher
    bro fuel economy depends alot on driving habits.if u want economy.its better u change gears at 2.5k rpm.atleast the 1st 3 gears.at max u shud touch 3000rpm not more then that.the next thing is that dont accelerate hard,sum ppl hav the habbit of flooring the padel,even if u dnt take the rpms to more then 3k,still,u wud loose economy if u accelerate hard.the best is to press the padel gentally nd as press if farther when u hav already gained the speed for what ever distance u had taken the padel to.i mean,just b gentel to the race padel.
    and yeas u can get 14km/ltr in city easily if u drive it nicely.
    well,15" wheels are NOT recomemded.bro steermatic is 1500cc so it has the power to handle more weight of the wheels.sure u can put 15" wheels in idsi as many ppl hav but it wud decrease the economy,pick-up nd comfort as u wud hav to reduce the profile size.but it wud give u nice handleing.
    i wud recommend u to go for 14" rimz....i hav checked on the net nd the best size which is very ver near to the originl size(diameter,circumference etc) is 185/65/R14

    by putting this,it wud only effect less the 2% of the original size.i dnt remember exactly but i think it was 1.47% larger or smaller then the original.nd anything less then 3% difference is OK.so it wont put a huge effect alot on the speedometer,economy,comforts etc.

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    hhmmm yeah thats a nice point.i never thought on this or i wud hav changed the battery when the car was new.now the battery is more then a year old nd the horn sounds dull when the engine is shut off wid the parking lights on,so i think its time to change the battery...!!! wud try to go for a dry 1...!!!
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    @retrograde
    sir can u tell me sumthing more abt the dry battery.do they hav a longer life then the ordinary battery?about how long?are they bigger in size then these battries? i mean wud it fit on the original place made for the battery? can u get it easily frm anywhere or wud i hav to find one.wat abt the current ratings? nd price? also tell any nice brand.

    thanx sir...!!!
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    my car was delivered on 31/1/05---the stock AGS wet battery that came with it is MASHALLAH seh going strong till date ( i know its just a matter of time). i just topped the water every 3~4 weeks time,, else it has taken alot of abuse such as a very heavy sound system .. So i would say no need to replace the battery,,, better to get rid of stock kenwood deck that comes with it
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    @akbar
    i did'nt pay much attention to the battery nd i think thats the reason its showing its age now.but not gonna change very soon,there is no problem in starting.or anything else,its going nice.only the horn shows sum less curent.hay b,i wud change the horn to the bimmer type....ppaaaaannn paaaaannnnnnnnn......

    nd yeah the original kenwood system shucks,i had better head unit in my khyber
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