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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    I have noticed that these 3S dealerships have different rates for labour. Even the parts are not uniformly priced at all the dealerships. For example, Honda Centre Rawalpindi changes the oil for free whereas Honda Avenue charges Rs.200/- for that. But the price of Honda City air filter at Honda Avenue was Rs.1680/- whereas Honda Centre was selling it at 1800+
    So you must call them and settle everything before letting them work on your car.
    thanks buddy !!!
    I sure will.

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    Salam,

    I am thinking of getting the Catalytic converter removed, i want to know: how do i adjust the ECU so that the check engine warning doesnt light up. I saw a video of a guy manually putting a non fouler cover over the O2 sensor to fool the ECU, is it possible in Pakistan aswell? i am planning to replace the CC with a normal dholkee so that the sound stays muffled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asad.1129 View Post
    Salam,

    can the 3 way catalytic converter be removed from city? if yes then how can it be done ? As i have read somewhere its removal can lead to a much better mileage
    Do not remove it. The device is there for a reason. Removal is harmful for the environment and will add noise. If it's dirty you can get it serviced.

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    Thanks man , i know the reason:
    Burning gases
    Muffling sound

    I still want to get it removed, so back to the original query what can i do about it?

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    AOA, guys I have a 5th generation city (2013) been using it from very start. It has clocked 39,000 km's mostly used in Lahore locally. Lately i've noticed if I brake too hard at high speeds it gives a weird kind of noise. I am not talking about tyre locking but about maybe brakes not being applied properly. Is it time to replace brake pads as mentioned in the first post of this thread? Kindly advice as to what could be the reasons. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaudri View Post
    AOA, guys I have a 5th generation city (2013) been using it from very start. It has clocked 39,000 km's mostly used in Lahore locally. Lately i've noticed if I brake too hard at high speeds it gives a weird kind of noise. I am not talking about tyre locking but about maybe brakes not being applied properly. Is it time to replace brake pads as mentioned in the first post of this thread? Kindly advice as to what could be the reasons. Thanks
    That's probably the ABS kicking in. Is it like a gudd gudd sound? If yes then nothing to worry about


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandvoo View Post
    That's probably the ABS kicking in. Is it like a gudd gudd sound? If yes then nothing to worry about


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    Nothing to worry about that's the ABS, it prevents the wheels from locking. Although at 40k km I think it's time to get brake pads changed


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandvoo View Post
    Nothing to worry about that's the ABS, it prevents the wheels from locking. Although at 40k km I think it's time to get brake pads changed


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    dear all..

    I have Honda city vario 2004, I am facing poor millage i.e. 10 km/L without AC because its winter these days. work has been done as under

    1. Tappet adjustment
    2. TB service
    3. plugs
    4 TPS adjustment @ 2.4%

    I am searching o2 sensor installed in car but neither I nor OBDII find it. can you people confirm that o2 sensor is installed in this model or not.

    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rizwanbaldher View Post
    dear all..

    I have Honda city vario 2004, I am facing poor millage i.e. 10 km/L without AC because its winter these days. work has been done as under

    1. Tappet adjustment
    2. TB service
    3. plugs
    4 TPS adjustment @ 2.4%

    I am searching o2 sensor installed in car but neither I nor OBDII find it. can you people confirm that o2 sensor is installed in this model or not.

    Regards
    Mine manual 05 gives 12-13 in local and 20 ? on long...if vario is giving 10kmpl in local...its good..

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    Hi guys tell me what i do....The problem in my city aspire is that i have install relay in my car. when i push the peadal in gear mod the light suddenly very low and when i push off accelerator the light came very bright.The mechanic do 1st current to battery and 2ndly he gave relay current direct to alternator but problem not gone.On stand mod not in gear when i push accelerator the light still bright.Problem start when i drive car.One of my friend told me that its a fault in new city and he sold his city because of this issue.Now i have install osram nighatbreaker in my car but heavy fogy weather these bulbs are flop because its produce white light..So guys tell me have u hear this relay issue in new city or its only issue in my car.if this issue have in new city then what i do......Plz reply as soon as..........Thanks

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    Hi all,

    I have a poorly maintained Honda City 2005. It was mainly used by my father since I was abroad. I have now returned and want to get it in shape. The first thing which I think needs to change is the shocks as its ride is not very smooth. It has already done around 220k kms. My question is which (brand) shocks should I buy? How much do they cost? Any recommended shops/mechanics in Abbottabad to do the job? Are there any tests which my car can undergo in order to assess the suitability of its current shocks? With this much mileage, what other parts/components should be tested and potentially replaced?

    For myself, I am thinking about buying a new Passo but want to get the City back in shape for my father.

    Your suggestions will be highly appreciated.

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    I have manual City 2006 IDSi (68,000 K driven) and I am not a person who keeps visiting mechanics every now and then. What I did was to keep essential items (Engine oil, oil filter, air filter & plugs) change on time. Nothing else is changed and no problem as of now. The car is driven about 30,000 on CNG and is on petrol for the last 1 year.

    The car given around 13 km/l in city and 16-17km/l on long (both with soft pedal and max speed of 110 km/h)

    Do you think i need to do anything else like throttle body, tappet (Valve clearance) etc. The only issue I feel now is little lag when I accelerate in 1st gear but it could be due to plugs which need replacement i think.
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    Here this is my car. Honda city 2004 idsi m/t. It completed 300,000 kms about a month ago. The engine is never opened for overhauling nor for anything. Just regular small works. And its still in its perfect pace. Like it doesnt even eat a drop of mobil oil.
    Getting 16km/L in city. And 18+ km/L on highway.
    Happy with it.

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    Hi all,

    I have a poorly maintained Honda City 2005. It was mainly used by my father since I was abroad. I have now returned and want to get it in shape. The first thing which I think needs to change is the shocks as its ride is not very smooth. It has already done around 220k kms. My question is which (brand) shocks should I buy? How much do they cost? Any recommended shops/mechanics in Abbottabad to do the job? Are there any tests which my car can undergo in order to assess the suitability of its current shocks? With this much mileage, what other parts/components should be tested and potentially replaced?

    For myself, I am thinking about buying a new Passo but want to get the City back in shape for my father.

    Your suggestions will be highly appreciated.
    Bro. Shocks are not much expensive. I got for my honda city 2004 from bilal ganj for rs3500 pair.
    Just keep one thing in mind when buying used imported shocks. Buy them without springs. This is for the front ones. And do check the pressure or take a mechanic with you they know whether the shocks are perfect or not.
    Secondly get your kanghi (comb) checked. Get it repaired from a good kharadia. It will cost you around 2500-3000rs + 1500 for mechanic.
    Get your front chimta bushes replaced. They are very cheap.
    Get your shocks upper rubber mounting checked. If they needs to be replaced get them replaced they can also be bought from where you will buy shocks. They are cheap as well.
    Front ends should also be checked. They can be repaired cheaply.
    And for the back part. Get your springs replaced only. No need to replace the shocks for back. And one more thing u will see a tube like structure in the pack part on which both wheels are connected. Get its bushes replaced too.
    Correct me if im wrong. I hope im not forgetting anything related to suspension.
    Thanks.
    Honda City idsi 2004 1.3L MT and Toyota Corolla GLi 2013 1.6L A/T
    Thanks ALLAH..

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    Quote Originally Posted by danial0047 View Post
    Here this is my car. Honda city 2004 idsi m/t. It completed 300,000 kms about a month ago. The engine is never opened for overhauling nor for anything. Just regular small works. And its still in its perfect pace. Like it doesnt even eat a drop of mobil oil.
    Getting 16km/L in city. And 18+ km/L on highway.
    Happy with it.

    Just wanted to share.
    MashaAllah.....great indeed...what other maintenance have been done so far? Like power sreering, gear, excel works, suspension works, shocks etc.....Have u done that or partly done few works? What about engine's temperature behavior is summers with AC? I mean any heatup issue or water reduction prob or red lite of temp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by usama1 View Post
    MashaAllah.....great indeed...what other maintenance have been done so far? Like power sreering, gear, excel works, suspension works, shocks etc.....Have u done that or partly done few works? What about engine's temperature behavior is summers with AC? I mean any heatup issue or water reduction prob or red lite of temp?
    Thanks usama.
    Well power steering was serviced once and its working perfectly smooth.
    No gear work is done. I just get my gear oil changed timely.
    Yes i have got my axle repaired twice due to bumpy roads and once due to worn out boot.
    Yes i have got my front shocks replaced 4months back.
    Front comb us repaired once.
    And some bushes and ends.
    For the back part i havw just got my springs replaced.
    Engine timing foundation was worn out and was replaced.
    Its in perfect shape and it runs smoothly. I still go at 120km/h normally on motorway. And have driven many times at 160+km/h on motorway. In short i have no issues with my car.
    Honda City idsi 2004 1.3L MT and Toyota Corolla GLi 2013 1.6L A/T
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    Quote Originally Posted by danial0047 View Post
    Thanks usama.
    Well power steering was serviced once and its working perfectly smooth.
    No gear work is done. I just get my gear oil changed timely.
    Yes i have got my axle repaired twice due to bumpy roads and once due to worn out boot.
    Yes i have got my front shocks replaced 4months back.
    Front comb us repaired once.
    And some bushes and ends.
    For the back part i havw just got my springs replaced.
    Engine timing foundation was worn out and was replaced.
    Its in perfect shape and it runs smoothly. I still go at 120km/h normally on motorway. And have driven many times at 160+km/h on motorway. In short i have no issues with my car.
    MashaAllah....great...thanks for the detailed reply...the list of works is very short as compare to mileage of 300k km driven car and infact this is the best part of city...very very less maintenance required...i also own 05 city 139k km driven but so far none of the parts has been replaced or repaired except brake shoes and air filter/ plugs.Even never added a single drop of water since 2005...still the same collent came from da factory.i could never understand why ppl call honda fragile car ... it is so robust infact...we have 3 in family 139k, 156k and 205 k km driven...all going perfect wid no major maintenance.

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