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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustam54 View Post
    Asim Sahab,

    My humble request. Please stop misguiding people on selection of tyres especially for city.

    What the concept of "Shair Ki Zindagi Jiyo" "Looks of my car" can be a big problem for some other person. and may even spoil his driving experince of a new car.

    Let me ask you a question, did you log into EPS unit and measured the increase in current cosnumption after you selected 195?? Did you evaluate how extra stress you put on the EPS and increase the possibilty of heating it during palming conditions (Link) ??

    Or even better, did you had to goto Honda to recallibrate the EPS, compensating additional turn resistance while providing same feedback to user??


    I have played with all and I am not talking based on theory. All this is partially applicable to HPS because it can handle extra stress. For EPS, care must be taken. Yes, the EPS has built in safety's. But my question is, do you really want to drive you EPS unit to limits??



    In actual, not all is true. Due to insanely huge tyre selection (be it in terms of width or profile), the handling becomes a mess and un-predictable. Yes, good grip, good braking. But no better handling. Then comes the question, how much good grip one is aiming for. Will the person risk driving under hydroplaning every time he turns the key, or will there be conventional tarmac in majority of driving conditions??

    For rest of the users, if you want your answer, please review the below thread where I had to sell only 10k Km driven 195's in favor of 185. The steering gets pretty hard.

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/whe...490-195-65-r15

    And not only that, you'll have pretty tough time while continuous centering the steering on highway speeds. No camber/Toe adjustment will self center the car.

    For impacts of selecting a wrong tyre and rim, please review the below thread

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/whe...election-guide
    Brother I m sharing my own exp. And I m pretty much satisfied with the performance. Even to this guy Honda recommended 185 and 195 both. You can check his old post.
    And regarding handling. I have frequent traveling from lhr to isb via moterway. And I unfortunately I have experienced all 175/185/195 on kalar kahar. I drove at 70 to 80 speed both day up and down and trust me 195 doesn't even slip at all. Whereas 175/185 slip alot. 175 are disaster if ur making sharp turn on a bit higher speed

    More over I never faced any tough steering on long traveling.

    In braking system. On 175/ abs will be deployed alot more than having 195/. So I gave priority to braking system and slip protection than load on EPS. Its all about priorities my friend.

    If I have to drive slow like a mehran to avoid slip issues. Make long turns like mehran to avoid slip. Apply brakes 1km before hurdle like mehran than absolutely I ll go for 175/ on my city.

    Again this is my own experience and observation. And this may vary from person to person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asim510 View Post
    Brother I m sharing my own exp. And I m pretty much satisfied with the performance. Even to this guy Honda recommended 185 and 195 both. You can check his old post.
    And regarding handling. I have frequent traveling from lhr to isb via moterway. And I unfortunately I have experienced all 175/185/195 on kalar kahar. I drove at 70 to 80 speed both day up and down and trust me 195 doesn't even slip at all. Whereas 175/185 slip alot. 175 are disaster if ur making sharp turn on a bit higher speed

    More over I never faced any tough steering on long traveling.

    In braking system. On 175/ abs will be deployed alot more than having 195/. So I gave priority to braking system and slip protection than load on EPS. Its all about priorities my friend.

    If I have to drive slow like a mehran to avoid slip issues. Make long turns like mehran to avoid slip. Apply brakes 1km before hurdle like mehran than absolutely I ll go for 175/ on my city.

    Again this is my own experience and observation. And this may vary from person to person.

    Thats what I am saying. Your own experience (contrary to the factory specs) needs to be critically reviewed rather than a firm waiver against the 175.


    Not everyone EVERYDAY is going to drive insanely fast on Kalar Kahar. Especially where the speed limit is 50 on down hill. Every vehicle has its limits. And this is an entry level compact sedan.


    Next, there is no such thing as priortiy given to braking system. I mean what you say is that by not allowing ABS to activate, you are being gentle to the car?? I mean thats like not removing polyethelene film on the hazard switch

    Some manufacturers recommend using ABS every now and then (on a no traffic road) just to get the feel of how to steer under emergency braking conditions. Yes. ABS is not for braking distance reduction. It is to allow steerabilty under hard braking.


    And lastly, if you think driving sane on a City with 175 is comparable to driving like a mehran, then I am sorry but you really need to improve your driving skills and not just expect from 195s to you save you from hassle.


    There is a kind gentleman over PW who advocates using 17" rims to improve braking of a new civic. Partly because he is always putting no less than 17" on a brand new car. Your and his words present the same logic to me.
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    he said that, i heard that, they said that, we heard that ... this all about PKDM HONDA performance

    Less the C-VIC lawn mower very few PKDM $HIT'Y owners i have come across opting for next $HIT'Y with their own investment. Parents or corporate entitlement is a 'CAR' not by choice.

    Honda Civic 2013 seems reasonable in terms of ride & cabin space from rear seat. Thats' recently experienced
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    Does anyone have any news to when we are getting the new Honda City with Econ button, Cvt etc.

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    Ok so I went for suspension overhaul today. Luckily all four shock absorber along with Springs were great. The problem was with bushes and ball joints.
    Following are the rates.

    Japanese 555 Ball Joints pair = 1650rs
    Bushes pair RBI Thailand= 800
    Total suspension servicing all four shocks= 4800rs.
    Alignment= 300rs

    And now city idsi 2004 is running like it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babarhyd View Post
    Ok so I went for suspension overhaul today. Luckily all four shock absorber along with Springs were great. The problem was with bushes and ball joints.
    Following are the rates.

    Japanese 555 Ball Joints pair = 1650rs
    Bushes pair RBI Thailand= 800
    Total suspension servicing all four shocks= 4800rs.
    Alignment= 300rs

    And now city idsi 2004 is running like it should be.
    that`s nice, how did you come to know that the absorbers and springs are in good condition ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by typeN View Post
    that`s nice, how did you come to know that the absorbers and springs are in good condition ?
    Checked by shock specialist. Plus for comparison I checked brand new ones as well. Springs again were compared with Pakistanis as well as Taiwanese as well. Shocks were compared with Japanese and Thailand ones. Kyb and ticoco I think.

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    Is it possible to make side mirrors of my City 2015 retractable??
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    seek your kind advise as am planning to change stock tyres of my Honda city Aspire PT. Please suggest best tyres in terms of comfort, noise and grip. Please give two suggestions also suggest place in Rawalpindi or Islamabad to buy from (current options in mind are Continental, Yokohama, Michelin and Pirelli)

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    Yokohama Adv Db or Michelin XM2? best suitable size is 185/65/15 .. Tjought i went for 195..
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    Btw this topic has been discussed few many times.. You may dig up those threads again and make your decision accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WILD8HEART View Post
    seek your kind advise as am planning to change stock tyres of my Honda city Aspire PT. Please suggest best tyres in terms of comfort, noise and grip. Please give two suggestions also suggest place in Rawalpindi or Islamabad to buy from (current options in mind are Continental, Yokohama, Michelin and Pirelli)
    Michelin xm2 are goid option
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    Whats engine oil limit in honda city 11-? 4L or 3.7L ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by asim510 View Post
    Whats engine oil limit in honda city 11-? 4L or 3.7L ?
    Its 3.7L

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    Checked by shock specialist. Plus for comparison I checked brand new ones as well. Springs again were compared with Pakistanis as well as Taiwanese as well. Shocks were compared with Japanese and Thailand ones. Kyb and ticoco I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highroller View Post
    Kindly pm me name & number of shock specialist.
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    He is in Hyderabad. Are you coming to Hyderabad in near future?

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    That City
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    Do any body know, how to adjust the Time in new face lift city 2din player?
    Which fog lamp should I instal on this car? Original are 7500, doors it worth it?

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    i want to ask from experts is thats ZIC gear oil is good for Manual IDSI 2005 if then which and grade on zic website 5 types of different oils Hi Tech Lubricants Limited
    and plz also tell me how many liters for city 2004 Manual
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    Aoa frnds city exi me power windows kahan sy lg jaen g?? Pindi isb me,, n cost??

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