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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thetigerzzz View Post
    i want to ask from experts is thats ZIC gear oil is good for Manual IDSI 2005 if then which and grade on zic website 5 types of different oils Hi Tech Lubricants Limited
    and plz also tell me how many liters for city 2004 Manual
    ThX
    Better use caltex transmission oil for idsi. Or you can go for genuine mtf by honda which is way too expensive. FYI honda recommends thinner grade transmission oil n even states is their idsi manual that if MTF isnt available, motor oil of 10w40 can be used instead.

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    Plz tell me, when the 1st oil change should be done after break in period? I mean after how much kilometers? Honda dealership says after 1000km, but I read on some international website that it should be changed after 1st 3000~5000km, because engine is filed with special oil from Honda factory.
    2ndly, is new city equipped with AC cabin filter?
    is Honda genuine oil is good enough? Any suggestions regarding which Honda oil should be used?
    Thanks,

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    Hello good day to all. Please help me in a matter. I purchased obd2 elm327 for my Honda city 2004 idsi. Can any one tell me where to attach it as I cannot find obd port. There is an ecu on passenger side under glove compartment but I can not see 16 pin obd port.

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    Hello to all, I am driving Honda City 2014 with stock tyres and I want to change tyres because of the following issues:

    1. Road Clearance (more height, good road clearance especially when driving with 5 ppl on board)
    2. Fuel efficiency (more circumference, less rounds per min and less fuel consumption)
    3. Comfort (more width, more shock tyres will absorb and more comfortable ride becomes)

    What tyres (size and model) would you suggest and why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by t117 View Post
    Better use caltex transmission oil for idsi. Or you can go for genuine mtf by honda which is way too expensive. FYI honda recommends thinner grade transmission oil n even states is their idsi manual that if MTF isnt available, motor oil of 10w40 can be used instead.
    thx for reply its that mean Honda transmission oil is better then zic transmission oil for manual idsi

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    Quote Originally Posted by sajid.akbar.503 View Post
    Hello good day to all. Please help me in a matter. I purchased obd2 elm327 for my Honda city 2004 idsi. Can any one tell me where to attach it as I cannot find obd port. There is an ecu on passenger side under glove compartment but I can not see 16 pin obd port.
    its above clutch paddle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thetigerzzz View Post
    thx for reply its that mean Honda transmission oil is better then zic transmission oil for manual idsi
    It should be. My experience is abit different. I had some broken bearings in my gearbox so I went to fix it. I took 2 litres of honda mtf with me but my gearbox mechanic refused to take it, instead he insisted me to buy caltex transmission oil my gearbox. According to him, it was better then honda mtf

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    I'm experiencing slight barring noise. Generator barring is what honda 3S said although it has absolutely no effect on everyday drive.
    3S asks for replacement n honda pitstop says change whenever you want to as it won't hurt the car.
    My question is why replace, can't it be repaired? Also why would it noise in first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by highroller View Post
    I'm experiencing slight barring noise. Generator barring is what honda 3S said although it has absolutely no effect on everyday drive.
    3S asks for replacement n honda pitstop says change whenever you want to as it won't hurt the car.
    My question is why replace, can't it be repaired? Also why would it noise in first place?
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    It can be easily replaced by a good auto electrician. One reason for breakage of generator bearing can be a sudden bump on speed breaker. This happened to me last year in my idsi

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    What in the worlds name have you all been smoking???
    @ahmadbila @RollOnBigMaMa
    All this happening right under your nose???
    Not good.


    Quote Originally Posted by t117 View Post
    Better use caltex transmission oil for idsi. Or you can go for genuine mtf by honda which is way too expensive. FYI honda recommends thinner grade transmission oil n even states is their idsi manual that if MTF isnt available, motor oil of 10w40 can be used instead.
    Honda MTF is about 1.1k per litre. And the iDSI takes about 1.8L. Yes, only 1.8L on a normal drain. If changing it at 60~80K Kms is expensive, then God knows whats cheaper.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ali_Mujtba View Post
    Plz tell me, when the 1st oil change should be done after break in period? I mean after how much kilometers? Honda dealership says after 1000km, but I read on some international website that it should be changed after 1st 3000~5000km, because engine is filed with special oil from Honda factory.
    2ndly, is new city equipped with AC cabin filter?
    is Honda genuine oil is good enough? Any suggestions regarding which Honda oil should be used?
    Thanks,
    Your car is still under warrenty and you are worried if Honda Engine Oil is good enough?? You want to risk warrenty with some other option??
    Dont ask the dealership. Just go with the service manual Honda gave you with the car.


    Quote Originally Posted by Saqib369 View Post
    Hello to all, I am driving Honda City 2014 with stock tyres and I want to change tyres because of the following issues:

    1. Road Clearance (more height, good road clearance especially when driving with 5 ppl on board)
    2. Fuel efficiency (more circumference, less rounds per min and less fuel consumption)
    3. Comfort (more width, more shock tyres will absorb and more comfortable ride becomes)

    What tyres (size and model) would you suggest and why?

    I am simply stunned about your concepts of tyres and thier expected benefits. May I suggest some tractor tyres??? Like the ones used in Massey Ferguson?? Hopefully they shall meet all your needs.

    Misconecptions:
    1. Road Clearance (more height, good road clearance especially when driving with 5 ppl on board)
    Tyres dont behave like shock/damper spacers. If you try to increase profile as an excuse to increase height, you will most likely hit the wheel arch when fully loaded with 5 people.

    2. Fuel efficiency (more circumference, less rounds per min and less fuel consumption)
    Physics and Thermodynamics dont work in the way as imagination can say. Each car has all the aspects covered in design phase about the target cruise speed, target rpm range, target timing and fueling maps for best economy and optimum resposne. You change that and you drive the car in a range NOT IN ITS OPTIMUM BAND.

    Ofcourse this happens all on a microlevel sometimes. But it wont bring any good mileage.

    3. Comfort (more width, more shock tyres will absorb and more comfortable ride becomes)
    Referring to Point #2, The terms FUEL Efficiency and MORE Width, dont sound right together. Thats a short answer to this misconception.

    Quote Originally Posted by t117 View Post
    It should be. My experience is abit different. I had some broken bearings in my gearbox so I went to fix it. I took 2 litres of honda mtf with me but my gearbox mechanic refused to take it, instead he insisted me to buy caltex transmission oil my gearbox. According to him, it was better then honda mtf
    I am sure your mechanic must be educated and qualified enough about the subject of friction modifiers
    and other additives added by each manufacturer for their specific vehicles. It does take a sound knowledge to discredit an OEM product (oil in this case) right???

    Yes CALTEX makes good products. But this is no excuse to use it when you have OEM available.


    Quote Originally Posted by highroller View Post
    I'm experiencing slight barring noise. Generator barring is what honda 3S said although it has absolutely no effect on everyday drive.
    3S asks for replacement n honda pitstop says change whenever you want to as it won't hurt the car.
    My question is why replace, can't it be repaired? Also why would it noise in first place?
    City'12.


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    If only there existed a world where bearing could be repaired
    Janab, please google what a bearing is. Then search about where its put in an alternator. Then search about how to replace in case of failure. And finally THINK about whether you'ld want to install a REPAIRED bearing after all the effort???

    You should be lucky there is an option of bearing replacement. What if the manufacturer asked you to replace the whole alternator??

    Quote Originally Posted by t117 View Post
    It can be easily replaced by a good auto electrician. One reason for breakage of generator bearing can be a sudden bump on speed breaker. This happened to me last year in my idsi

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    Quote Originally Posted by t117 View Post
    It can be easily replaced by a good auto electrician. One reason for breakage of generator bearing can be a sudden bump on speed breaker. This happened to me last year in my idsi
    appreciate your reply... unlike few who r meant to be ignored...
    btw did you experience a slight noise/significant noise in it or it failed to work altogether after the bump?

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by highroller View Post
    appreciate your reply... unlike few who r meant to be ignored...
    btw did you experience a slight noise/significant noise in it or it failed to work altogether after the bump?

    thanks
    It suddenly started sharp whinning noise.

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    In the auto variant of City, is 1500cc better than 1300cc in pick and performance? Is it still just 4 forward gears in 1500cc?

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    Looking for an experienced person for AC service and interior cleaning of car in Rwp/Ibd.
    Please advise with cost.

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    Changed tyres of my Honda city 2015 from Eurostar 175/65/15 to Yokohama Advan DB 185/65/15. Feeling a great softness in ride.
    Yokohama Tyres @ 30000, Eurostar Exchange Rate 13000, Difference amount paid 17000 from unique tyres islamabad near b.b.q tonite blue area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beelkhan View Post
    Changed tyres of my Honda city 2015 from Eurostar 175/65/15 to Yokohama Advan DB 185/65/15. Feeling a great softness in ride.
    Yokohama Tyres @ 30000, Eurostar Exchange Rate 13000, Difference amount paid 17000 from unique tyres islamabad near b.b.q tonite blue area.
    Bro, is there a big difference in the softnes? My car is 4 mnths old and i stil cnt dcide whether to go for the change or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biloo View Post
    Bro, is there a big difference in the softnes? My car is 4 mnths old and i stil cnt dcide whether to go for the change or not.
    Bro i did not drove much on euro star (only 100 KMs) but as city is tooo soundless car thats why i was experiencing tyre sounds while at 80km/hr. Secondly i was getting a good exchange price thats why i went for it... now the sounds are finished... car has become much softer than before.. its worth it coz the main thing in a car is its tyres... believe me i have not even installed seatcovers till now but have changed that tyres..My advice and experience is its worth it.

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    To be honest , i have a very good experience with eurostars. They are not that bd as much as they are percieved to be atleast for the initial 30k km run . The prob with city is its hard suspension which smetimes makes me go towards a beter n softer tyre such as the 1s uve got. They are one of the best ones available out there.

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    And enjoy the new seats, get the covers when the originals get dirty!

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    Enjoying the new car all together bro..... Thanks

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