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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    Quote Originally Posted by racer7 View Post
    City IDSI is a best car ever launched by HONDA (shayed ghalti se ) and they realized that IDSI engine should be discontinued as Pakistani people definitely not in a need of fuel saving. In China, still City IDSI is being introduced with the name of "Everus S1".
    Especially the 4th gen facelift. ABS, Airbags and more stable ride would make it the best cat ever to grace Pakistan!

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    Default City idsi 2007 heatup issue

    Advice requested from city user...! Last month i came across problem with my city idsi 2007,,79k on odo .
    i was going inside Punjab university Campus Lhr, AC was off, suddenly red H check light started blinking, fan came on and car started giving sign of heat up.i did not stop,took short cut through PU and came on Maulana Shaukat Ali Road towards Kamran market Allama Iqbal town to search some Mechanic till engine stared giving sizzling sound and steam started coming out of bonnet right in front of Kamran market. I stopped opened the bonnet and found engine oil very low and water in radiator was completely finished. (I was using ANTI FREEZE previously ) poured almost 2 lit hovoline 20 w 50 and and almost three bottles of 1.5 lit water in radiators. The check light came off and I travelled to my home about 6 km from kamran market.
    The other day in the morning, poured half bottle of water in radiator to maintain the lvl and went to Honda City sales Kalma Chowk.... till there car did not show any sign of problem however water lvl was low when mech opened the radiator cap.
    Mech checked the car and told me that it was due to leak pipe. Maint work was done:-
    Thermostat valve cost 2480
    2 heater pipe(rubber pipe) cost 1030
    labour 500
    Total 4010
    After that I travelled from lhr to Rwp last week and car so far did not give any problem.
    Water lvl in radiator is ok however engine oil lvl is slight low.

    My query is why low oil engine check light did not came on...?
    Approaching hot summer shall I go for radiator wash and than go for anti freeze or will it work with out it...?
    Any effect on Head or gaskit...?
    Any other maint required to avoid such problem in hot summer...?
    I checked Honda 3s rwp for radiator wash and antifreeze they quoted
    radiator wash charges 2900
    labour 1740
    anti freeze 4 btl 3560
    Total is 8200
    isn't it too much......?
    Expert advise is requested...!

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    Hi Guys , I purchased my Honda City 2011 about 2 months ago and its mileage is 65000km. I am not sure, its Fuel Filter is changed before OR not but its not giving me any major issue at the moment, in "acceleration", "car start", "pick" . They are fine . Should I go for Fuel Filter change OR wait for any issue to arise ? ,

    I also want to know that, if fuel filter is not changed for long time .... impurities will pass the filter ? OR it will just get blocked. I have this concern because in-case filter get block, I will know for sure by Car performance but if it allow impurities to pass then it can not be track.

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    At 60000 km fuel pump should be changed. ...then you will get more fuel milage

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    I have never heard about changing a fuel pump at 60k and that 2 with an added advantage of increased mileage . What makes you say that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevergivein View Post
    Hi Guys , I purchased my Honda City 2011 about 2 months ago and its mileage is 65000km. I am not sure, its Fuel Filter is changed before OR not but its not giving me any major issue at the moment, in "acceleration", "car start", "pick" . They are fine . Should I go for Fuel Filter change OR wait for any issue to arise ? ,

    I also want to know that, if fuel filter is not changed for long time .... impurities will pass the filter ? OR it will just get blocked. I have this concern because in-case filter get block, I will know for sure by Car performance but if it allow impurities to pass then it can not be track.
    Don't fix it if it ain't broke!

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    Yes off-course I am not gonna touch the Fuel Pump, its for lift time in most cars. I am not sure why @asif_75 said that anyway My concern is Fuel Filter , is it require maintenance even when you are not facing any issue ? for avoiding any future loss.

    Quote Originally Posted by biloo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by nevergivein View Post
    Hi Guys , I purchased my Honda City 2011 about 2 months ago and its mileage is 65000km. I am not sure, its Fuel Filter is changed before OR not but its not giving me any major issue at the moment, in "acceleration", "car start", "pick" . They are fine . Should I go for Fuel Filter change OR wait for any issue to arise ? ,

    I also want to know that, if fuel filter is not changed for long time .... impurities will pass the filter ? OR it will just get blocked. I have this concern because in-case filter get block, I will know for sure by Car performance but if it allow impurities to pass then it can not be track.
    Bro. Its not mehran. no need for fuel filter change untill unless its supplying fuel. moreover its v expensive thing and installed inside fuel tank.
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    little amount of oil decrease after 1000 km in Honda city 2005 cng never installed totally driving on petrol + high octane
    oil use ZIC A from Zic Company service centre not a single leakage
    is that normal ? no problem or need to check from Honda service centre
    picture of oil level is attached needs expert recommendation.

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    Salam..I am thinking to upgrade from my honda city idsi 2005 to honda city ivtec 2010 and i have been searching various threads if it is a wise decision. The on road price including registration and tax for a new honda city is 1583000, while the normal asking price on pakwheels ads is 1350000. I just want to know wat should be the price of a honda city 2010 with 75k on the odometer? a car dealer is asking 3.5 lac rupees with my honda city 2005 for getting the 2010 model.

    Also plz tell, is there any difference in the maintenance cost of idsi vs ivtec? as i read in one thread that even an air filter of honda city 2010 cost 1500 rupees. people who have used both should comment on the maintenance and spare parts cost of both the idsi model and the ivtec model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umerali786 View Post
    little amount of oil decrease after 1000 km in Honda city 2005 cng never installed totally driving on petrol + high octane
    oil use ZIC A from Zic Company service centre not a single leakage
    is that normal ? no problem or need to check from Honda service centre
    picture of oil level is attached needs expert recommendation.

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    Doesnt seem to be a problem. Drive it more and check after another 1k kms , keep doing it until the next oil change and then ul be sure whether its ok or not.
    I dnt thnk theres anythng wrng there .

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    Quote Originally Posted by biloo View Post
    Doesnt seem to be a problem. Drive it more and check after another 1k kms , keep doing it until the next oil change and then ul be sure whether its ok or not.
    I dnt thnk theres anythng wrng there .
    there is no need fill reduce oil ?? not till edge of second DOT on Dip Stick ? @hash4u @biloo

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    Quote Originally Posted by umerali786 View Post
    there is no need fill reduce oil ?? not till edge of second DOT on Dip Stick ? @hash4u @biloo
    No. This is fine. Don't overfill it .

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    Quote Originally Posted by umerali786 View Post
    there is no need fill reduce oil ?? not till edge of second DOT on Dip Stick ? @hash4u @biloo
    Nah, its gud mate

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    Plz tell me, how many types of oils, Honda is offering?
    Tomorrow I'm going to get my 1st oil changed on City 2015.
    Confused whether to go for Honda oil our better options are available...?
    If Honda oil is good, than which type will suit the best?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali_Mujtba View Post
    Plz tell me, how many types of oils, Honda is offering?
    Tomorrow I'm going to get my 1st oil changed on City 2015.
    Confused whether to go for Honda oil our better options are available...?
    If Honda oil is good, than which type will suit the best?
    Get it changed frm honda...the fully synthetic one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biloo View Post
    Get it changed frm honda...the fully synthetic one.
    Well you plz mention the exact type like 5w-30, or 10w-40.

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    1 more question;
    What is the quantity of oil in full can of Honda engine oil 5w-30?
    I mean whether it's 4L or 3.7L?
    Because the mechanic poured the full can and I didn't notice and realise later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali_Mujtba View Post
    1 more question;
    What is the quantity of oil in full can of Honda engine oil 5w-30?
    I mean whether it's 4L or 3.7L?
    Because the mechanic poured the full can and I didn't notice and realise later.
    The fully synthetic is 5w-30. Dn wory its 3.7l . Bt, be careful it wnt need 3.7l when u wnt change the oil filter with the oil change.

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    Hello guys
    i have installed new suspension bushes, linkers and new ball joints recently in idsi 2006 @ 126,000 km.
    2 outa 2 kanchi bushes were bad completely, linkers have lived there life (can be easily move with thumb), both ball joints were free too.
    bushes (thai made) cost Rs. 1600/-
    ball joints (555) cost Rs. 2000/-
    linkers (thai made) cost Rs. 2300/-

    after installation streeing became quite responsive (no play in streeing), almost no noise on small bumps however little difference in noise on cat eyes. before isntallation both wheels make noises on small bumps.

    now the second phase:
    i want to update the front shocks .. should i install kabli ones or the new ones.. if some one has any xperience with replacement of shocks please guide me. about cost of new ones or whether kabli ones will be fine and any technicality in their installation.

    thanks.

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