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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    @ahmadbila

    thanks for the tip bro,it was the problem u mentioned..

    here is another question for you...i've installed CAI in my car and i was thinking to go for free flow piping without replacing the stock exaust..can it be done? or would you recommed it? do i have to change the muffler with after market ones?

    i know those r lots of questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by my666 View Post
    @ahmadbila

    thanks for the tip bro,it was the problem u mentioned..

    here is another question for you...i've installed CAI in my car and i was thinking to go for free flow piping without replacing the stock exaust..can it be done? or would you recommed it? do i have to change the muffler with after market ones?

    i know those r lots of questions
    Good to know i was right
    bro if you are into modifying ur car to get more performance, then certainly u shud go for free flow exhaust.and yes i think you will have to change the muffler too,to make unrestricted air flow. u can buy a quite exhaust if u dont want noisy ones

    theres one thing which i wud point out here, by adding free flow exhaust, ur car will actually become SLOWER at below 3000RPMs, but will give enough blow after that...
    i drove a stage 1 modified city idsi, had CIA,plus and free flow.it was slower until i hit 3000rpms and then was much faster... now i wud say if u drive ur car on daily basis, u wont like this, but if u are into racing etc, you ll love it
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    @ahmadbila Please help me.

    I Have Honda City 2002 and recently got installed Landi renzo CNG kit. But since the installation there is problem with RPM. The mechanic set it to 1000 on idl mode but it goes down to 0 by itself after few days. The problem is only with CNG, on petrol the RPM is ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaybah View Post
    @ahmadbila Please help me.

    I Have Honda City 2002 and recently got installed Landi renzo CNG kit. But since the installation there is problem with RPM. The mechanic set it to 1000 on idl mode but it goes down to 0 by itself after few days. The problem is only with CNG, on petrol the RPM is ok.
    brother this is the most common problem in city and all other new cars.i dont know the history of ur car but it seems like the throttle body of you car is choked and it also needs tappet adjustment/valve clearence. this is around 1.5hrs job and 1000-1500rs. get it done and your car will be perfect.
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    Ahmad, I bought this car in Dec2010 city EXIS, 67000KM done, I got CNG installed from commercial market, rwp. I don't know about Advancer & Emulator only read about it in PW. I don't think my mechanic installed them or not. The car is working fine on petrol no change of RPM but only CNG. what Mechanic do you suggest for throttle body job?

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    sir i dont think there can be anyway to run an efi car without advancer and emulator.so there wud definately be advancer and emulator in ur car (though im not 100% sure on that)
    The problem is not abt these, the problem would be throttle body and/or tappet adjustment. it should be done every 25,000kms. if ur last tuning wasnt done on time, u certainly need to get it done.
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    Thanks Brother, I will do it as soon as I can. Do you know any Mechanic in RWP/ISB who is reliable to do this job? If yes kindly give me address or contact no. Thanks for help once again.

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    well i own 2006 city i-dsi and its too smooth too lovely car quite cabin and stress less drive as far as pic is concern proper setting makes it run faster also im using Total quartz 9000 5w-40 fully synthetic oil for more smoother and effortless drive and i had issues on cng but i came to know those were because of improper fitting in sound box of air filter but issue has been solved and is now fun to drive it i putted 16" tires on it but now using 15 inch and has still light steering then other cars and its a gr8 package for a family car and i took average on petrol 21 km/l and 180 km on cng / cyl
    and its my daily runner , i didn't had any thing changed up to date else then maintenance and and routine battery brake pads and tires
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    @sameer
    very nice car bro... the rims are on the larger size though.. but its okay if u like them and u are willing to let go of some part of performance and economy for gud looks
    city certainly is a very nice car...
    @shay
    bro im not based in rwp, thats a mistake in my location, thats why i dont know any good or bad mechanic in rwp. sorry for that...
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    somebody to plz guide me. i have following issues with my city 2004.firstly left rear and left front window glass do not work as powered one.second same two doors are also not centrally locked.one more thing i got my car check up from Honda Forte after 80000 km but after that my fuel average has dropped approx 2-3 km per liter which should have been improved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAWKEYE1 View Post
    somebody to plz guide me. i have following issues with my city 2004.firstly left rear and left front window glass do not work as powered one.second same two doors are also not centrally locked.one more thing i got my car check up from Honda Forte after 80000 km but after that my fuel average has dropped approx 2-3 km per liter which should have been improved.
    bro there can be many many reasons why those 2 doors arent operating..only a gud electrician can figure that out.so take it to one.
    2ndly, please state what did honda guys do to ur car on the tuning? what jobs did they perform on ur car?
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    Salamz All,
    I was out of city thats why didnt update.
    Good to see some great maintained cars. Congrats to buyers.
    As far I am concerned details are:-
    I drove my city now 5100 KMS.
    I changed my mind for installing CNG ( I am now getting 14 - 15 KM ) average.
    I have learnt few hipermiling techniques to use that really increased fuel performance. ( You can google it ).
    @ Shahid & Ahmed will you second my decision of not installing CNG??
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    @Forsaken.
    The new enhancements in City 2011 are:-
    1. Arm rest / console for driver on gear side.
    2. Arm rest between back seats.
    3. Silencer chrome cover.
    4. Light in trunk.
    5. Newer model of MP3 player with USB & Ipod / iphone support and remote control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAar View Post
    @Forsaken.
    The new enhancements in City 2011 are:-
    1. Arm rest / console for driver on gear side.
    2. Arm rest between back setas.
    3. Silencer chrome cover.
    4. Light in trunk.
    5. Newer model of MP3 player with USB & Ipod / iphone support.

    Hope this would be informative.
    Also note the new MP3 player has remote control, previous hasn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAar View Post
    Salamz All,
    I was out of city thats why didnt update.
    Good to see some great maintained cars. Congrats to buyers.
    As far I am concerned details are:-
    I drove my city now 5100 KMS.
    I changed my mind for installing CNG ( I am now getting 14 - 15 KM ) average.
    I have learnt few hibernating techniques to use that really increased fuel performance. ( You can google it ).
    @ Shahid & Ahmed will you second my decision of not installing CNG??
    Regards,
    Danish Riaz.
    I would second it, if your drive is less than 10000 kms per year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAar View Post
    @Forsaken.
    The new enhancements in City 2011 are:-
    1. Arm rest / console for driver on gear side.
    2. Arm rest between back setas.
    3. Silencer chrome cover.
    4. Light in trunk.
    5. Newer model of MP3 player with USB & Ipod / iphone support.

    Hope this would be informative.
    Man. thats great. they have given remote with mp3 player as well. I think they have given everything. Now i dont think any Corolla lover will have an excuse to complain. infact these were my only complaints as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAar View Post
    Salamz All,
    I was out of city thats why didnt update.
    Good to see some great maintained cars. Congrats to buyers.
    As far I am concerned details are:-
    I drove my city now 5100 KMS.
    I changed my mind for installing CNG ( I am now getting 14 - 15 KM ) average.
    I have learnt few hibernating techniques to use that really increased fuel performance. ( You can google it ).
    @ Shahid & Ahmed will you second my decision of not installing CNG??
    Regards,
    Danish Riaz.
    Bro who on earth wud favour CNg againt petrol
    certainly i second ur decision of not installing cng. thats the best thing u can do to a car.
    btw, i think the tips are called hypermiling.
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    i like 2nd generation hypervalve

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    bro there can be many many reasons why those 2 doors arent operating..only a gud electrician can figure that out.so take it to one.
    2ndly, please state what did honda guys do to ur car on the tuning? what jobs did they perform on ur car?
    they did tunning incl cleaning of throttle body etc ,changed the fuel filter and transmission oil .i went to honda ppl again and they checked IM through computer and assured me that now it will give better milage.can some boby tell me any good electrician in rawalpindi and lahore for repair of power window switches and central locking

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    @Ahmad Bro Nice to talk to you its was really learning experience.
    Thanks & take care.
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