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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adnanniazi_2000 View Post
    I have little question to ask, the previous owner has changed its engine from L12A to L13A, what is the difference between these engines? I know it is 1,340 cc engine but what is its horsepower? Plus, I don't feel it underpowered as many of its users have felt so (maybe all of them have L12A engines installed in their cars) It accelerates better than any GLi (upto 2012 model, I have checked with). But whatever, it is it gives a very nice mileage and absolutely perfect ride Masha Allah
    L12 A. L13 A
    1246 cc. 1339 cc
    90 HP. 134 HP
    Paki city. European honda Jazz
    Idsi. Idsi
    170 kmph top 230 kmph top
    That's the difference bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrn1 View Post
    Hey guys, recently i've got a considerable decrease in pick of my car. RPM is going high but speed is not conformed to it. I guess the clutch plates need replacement. It has got 145,000 on the odometer.
    So anyone would suggest how much it will cost (clutch, pressure plates and bearing) and from where to get it done in Isb/Rwp.
    Get it checked first, sometimes complete kit n cyllinder replacement is not required, rough estimate 12 to 15 thousand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moiz4600 View Post
    mayri honda city 2007 ha or car ka ac cooling kaam kar raha ha app bataye k may kiya karo or radiator may kunsa cooling liquid dalo?

    Sent from my GT-I9301I using PW Forums mobile app
    Coolant either original honda or Zic.
    AC, AC mechanic ko check karwao bhai, rather 2 or 3 mechanics and then see what to do. Filter choke hosakta hai, gas kam hisakti hai, condenser cleaning may be required. Compressor weak ho, Many things😵

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    ok thank you sherdil bhai amd i will check my car

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    Assalamoalaikum Wa Rehmatullah. Guys anyone tell me how to service Honda City 06-07 AC yourself (DIY). Any video link or photo guide would be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imran26june View Post
    Assalamoalaikum Wa Rehmatullah. Guys anyone tell me how to service Honda City 06-07 AC yourself (DIY). Any video link or photo guide would be appreciated.
    Bhai can you do gas filling yourself?
    Better is, to go for a mechanic of AC.

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    134 HP??? are you sure ?? Its way too much I guess. Maybe that's why I have never seen GLi upto 2011 / 2012 model never crossed me on canal road over here in Fsd when I am in a real mood to race. (Murmuring to myself a bit loudly). What do you say @ sherdils??

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    Default Best engine oil for City 2009 Auto

    I'm using Shell 10w-40 but it's consuming by bit after crossing 2000 kms in my CITY 2009 A/T . It's done 100,000 kms

    I've heard good about Honda Oil but where can I get the 100% original from Isb./ Pindi
    Any suggestions plz

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    Quote Originally Posted by muhd786 View Post
    Default Best engine oil for City 2009 Auto

    I'm using Shell 10w-40 but it's consuming by bit after crossing 2000 kms in my CITY 2009 A/T . It's done 100,000 kms

    I've heard good about Honda Oil but where can I get the 100% original from Isb./ Pindi
    Any suggestions plz
    use shell helix hx7 5w30

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    Quote Originally Posted by muhd786 View Post
    Default Best engine oil for City 2009 Auto

    I'm using Shell 10w-40 but it's consuming by bit after crossing 2000 kms in my CITY 2009 A/T . It's done 100,000 kms

    I've heard good about Honda Oil but where can I get the 100% original from Isb./ Pindi
    Any suggestions plz
    5w30 is the ideal viscosity for ur model

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    Quote Originally Posted by adnanniazi_2000 View Post
    134 HP??? are you sure ?? Its way too much I guess. Maybe that's why I have never seen GLi upto 2011 / 2012 model never crossed me on canal road over here in Fsd when I am in a real mood to race. (Murmuring to myself a bit loudly). What do you say @ sherdils??
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_L_engine
    Bhai aap khud tasalli karlo.
    But L13A ain't meant n made for our city.
    Jazz n few civics had this idsi engine... But unki body hamari city se heavy hain n braking bhi behtar hai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherdils View Post
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_L_engine
    Bhai aap khud tasalli karlo.
    But L13A ain't meant n made for our city.
    Jazz n few civics had this idsi engine... But unki body hamari city se heavy hain n braking bhi behtar hai.
    I have already read this thing, but I thought reborn ka engine koi 140 to 150 bhp ka hai then I thought it might be a clerical mistake in the article (Wikipedia).If you don't mind, can you think of ideal mileage I should be getting with this engine? Plus one more thing, at 120 KM/h the rpm is 3.2 K (top gear) in my car and in my brother's civic (2003, VTi), it is at 2.9K approx (top gear). Does it has something to do with the engine horsepower?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adnanniazi_2000 View Post
    I have already read this thing, but I thought reborn ka engine koi 140 to 150 bhp ka hai then I thought it might be a clerical mistake in the article (Wikipedia).If you don't mind, can you think of ideal mileage I should be getting with this engine? Plus one more thing, at 120 KM/h the rpm is 3.2 K (top gear) in my car and in my brother's civic (2003, VTi), it is at 2.9K approx (top gear). Does it has something to do with the engine horsepower?
    Bhai can't say with surity as I haven't driven L13A. But idsi technology is good for excellent fuel economy. L12A ka bhi rpm almost itna hi hota hai just like L13A.
    No one is going to believe what my city 06 on long route gave me average on motorway.
    But I'll suggest and request ke zindagi main kabhi 80, 85 ki max speed pe throughout travel kar ke dekhen(I know it's hectic but just try once) tamam idsi owners. You all will be amazed *** astonished ke jo average aaye gi mileage ki u all won't ever have imagined.
    Try once and share your views. Then ill share mine along with photographs and video.
    And yes rpm ka power se taaluq hota hai, at certain rpm you would be getting max torque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherdils View Post
    Bhai can't say with surity as I haven't driven L13A. But idsi technology is good for excellent fuel economy. L12A ka bhi rpm almost itna hi hota hai just like L13A.
    No one is going to believe what my city 06 on long route gave me average on motorway.
    But I'll suggest and request ke zindagi main kabhi 80, 85 ki max speed pe throughout travel kar ke dekhen(I know it's hectic but just try once) tamam idsi owners. You all will be amazed *** astonished ke jo average aaye gi mileage ki u all won't ever have imagined.
    Try once and share your views. Then ill share mine along with photographs and video.
    And yes rpm ka power se taaluq hota hai, at certain rpm you would be getting max torque.
    Yes Brother I have done this twice, on motorway at 80 to 90 KM/h with this car, the average was 22.5 Km/L once and the other time it was 23.8 KM/L. But on another time when I was travelling at approx. 120 KM/hr on motorway it hardly gave me 14.5 with AC on and 16 in winters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherdils View Post
    Bhai can't say with surity as I haven't driven L13A. But idsi technology is good for excellent fuel economy. L12A ka bhi rpm almost itna hi hota hai just like L13A.
    No one is going to believe what my city 06 on long route gave me average on motorway.
    But I'll suggest and request ke zindagi main kabhi 80, 85 ki max speed pe throughout travel kar ke dekhen(I know it's hectic but just try once) tamam idsi owners. You all will be amazed *** astonished ke jo average aaye gi mileage ki u all won't ever have imagined.
    Try once and share your views. Then ill share mine along with photographs and video.
    And yes rpm ka power se taaluq hota hai, at certain rpm you would be getting max torque.
    I can believe you brother what it might be giving u coz I have experienced it myself. But my all relatives were like AWWWWWWWW, you are incorrect ..... but I never mind coz I knew what I did

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    Quote Originally Posted by adnanniazi_2000 View Post
    I can believe you brother what it might be giving u coz I have experienced it myself. But my all relatives were like AWWWWWWWW, you are incorrect ..... but I never mind coz I knew what I did
    Bhai your engine is L13A, still you got 24.
    But mera experience kuchh hat ke hai, I also dit it twice in winters without AC. My brother has city 2015, he didn't believe me, kahq that's practically impossible n bla bla...
    Phir he once had to travel with me and finally he had to believe. Baaki jis ne maanna hai maanay nahin maanna to na maanay but im ready for any type of challenge.
    With me, my wife and 1 kid alongwith two attache cases it did 360 kms in 10.17 litres giving me an average of 35.3 kmpl.
    Next time (this March) I tried with me, my brother, mother, wife and two kids with trunk full of of 4 attaches and certain other luggage I achieved 350 kms in 11 litres, giving me an average of 31 kmpl.
    Believe it or not. Up to you. 😉

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    I have video and photos... Loag mazak urratay hain, but Kya farq parrta hai meri sehat pe, mainay konsi trophy 🏆 leni hai in se.

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    But the rule was no sudden acceleration, not even once, and never exceeded 85kmph speed. Mostly 79, 80 kmph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherdils View Post
    But the rule was no sudden acceleration, not even once, and never exceeded 85kmph speed. Mostly 79, 80 kmph.
    Brilliant .... absolutely brilliant, when I told this to my brother in law ( I knew I rung the wrong bell), he said why ppl r going for hybrids then .... I said I don't know and I only know what this car has done. But believe you me, maintaining 80 to 90 KMPH on motorway require some serious driving skills, you have to make sure that you don't hinder between the fast going traffic even in the third lane. Its not an easy thing, even my wife was asking me to let it go and just lets get home. Its also not easy to control your neend at this speed coz ur car feels like that it has slept already.

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