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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAar View Post
    Salamz All,

    New Civic will be launched in Pakistan in September 2011.

    Price will be around 2,300,000/- for fully loaded version.

    For City lovers Honda planned to launch its 1500 CC version earlier but now decided against it and will continue producing the the existing version.

    @ Ahmad & Shahid - Brothers long time no contact? Will call u in a day or two.

    Regards,

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    AoA Danish bhai, how r u? well sorry for being out of contact.i have been very busy for the past few days.just yesterday i spent 4.5hrs in workshop to get my city's suspension repaired.Hoping to talk to u soon Inshallah.
    Thanks for the update, yes a friend told me about the 1.5l city, i was happy but the truth is that a 1.5l city wud find it hard to attract enough buyers.so it better not be launched.As for civic, yes September seems to be probable time for launching of new civic in Pakistan.i wonder when the JDM version of civic (concept) will be revealed.The current civic already touched 2.0m for the top of the range variant, 2.3m seems very high but thats probably what its gonna be, sadly
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    A 'status update' of my car. hehe

    Got all the suspension work done yesterday. @182,000kms. The chimta bush was cracked, ball joint etc were in bad shape.my well trusted mechanic said that its gonna be better to get it repaired as this will be the first time so things will be almost as good as new after repair. So got all that done. Some work done from 'kharadia'.rest bushes etc changed. also got brake rotors polished. Also got new wiper blades. total cost for this was around 5000rs.not bad at all.
    today, got it alligned and adjusted camber. also got wheel balancing done, total cost for this, 500rs.not bad again. Now, i can say that suspension is excellent.all the sounds have vanished an im gonna test it on motorway soon.earlier, it used to vibrate at 140kms. lets see how it goes now.
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    Thumbs up Honda City 2011+ 1.5L Variant

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAar View Post
    Salamz All,

    New Civic will be launched in Pakistan in September 2011.

    Price will be around 2,300,000/- for fully loaded version.

    For City lovers Honda planned to launch its 1500 CC version earlier but now decided against it and will continue producing the the existing version.

    @ Ahmad & Shahid - Brothers long time no contact? Will call u in a day or two.

    Regards,

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    AoA Danish bhai, how r u? well sorry for being out of contact.i have been very busy for the past few days.just yesterday i spent 4.5hrs in workshop to get my city's suspension repaired.Hoping to talk to u soon Inshallah.
    Thanks for the update, yes a friend told me about the 1.5l city, i was happy but the truth is that a 1.5l city wud find it hard to attract enough buyers.so it better not be launched.As for civic, yes September seems to be probable time for launching of new civic in Pakistan.i wonder when the JDM version of civic (concept) will be revealed.The current civic already touched 2.0m for the top of the range variant, 2.3m seems very high but thats probably what its gonna be, sadly
    @all (Here is my input)

    I wished that the 1.5L Version was launched as it would have created the missing need for a car that satisfies the need of any user that demands anything above the 1.3L category and anything below the 1.8L category. As there is a rumored 1.6L Corolla (Altis) coming, this could have taken the world by storm. The new version could have been a Honda City Steermatic replacement and should have had a CVT with torque converter and not the 5 speed A/T. The 1.3L A/T should also be a CVT. But this is just my 2 cents in this article and statement.

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    @ahmedbila
    Sir G do you recommend CNG in city? I bought mine in dec 2009.
    Secondly is there any way to increase the sound proofing in the cabin? like putting some insulation in the doors or anything?

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    @dewana
    thanks for letting us know of ur thoughts.i completely agree with u.thats one way of looking at things,i wud say this is an educated person's perception but we dont have a lot off them
    sadly, most people in Pakistan see only two things while buying a car.first, its size (sedan hatchback van etc) and 2nd is the engine capacity. many people are against swift JUST because it has a 1.3l engine in a hatchback category. thats why i think it will be hard for a 1.5l city to get good market share. while it will be a good thing between 1.3 and 1.8l, i believe that they shud launch a 1.6l civic instead (as many other countries have). this was also planned by Honda people back in 2007 but they never worked on it. So yes, i wud be welcoming the new 1.5l city (i.e. if its launched) but in my view, it will not capture the market.(same happened with 1.5l steermatic, it was a great car but failed badly)
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    @xaryab
    yes sir i absolutely do! i ve driven cnged new city and it drives very great on cng.just make sure u get it installed form a well reputed mechanic.
    and yes, there IS a way to insulate the doors but im not really sure if it can be used for sound proofing.a member recently did it to his civic to improve the sound quality of his sound system though. i should help i wud say.look for it in DIY section.i ll try to find it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAar View Post
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    Its 1299 CC.
    Registeration costed me Rs. 32 K plus 2 K charged by Honda Dealer for their service fee ( It includes Tax payment & Number Plate fee ) i.e. a total of Rs. 34 K.
    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Yup! thats the price of isb registrations.sindh regt. is cheaper.
    New city is 1300 c.c in papers and isd registration cost is 48000. If its 1299 the cost will decrease . remember c.c means cubic centimeters (displacement of all cylinders) and possible in 1299 figure but not in 1300. But as we mention or write mehran 800 but actually 797. Cultus 1000 but 959. Liana 1300 but actually in papers 1328 and registration authority charged for 1328 c.c.
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    @dr.kazim
    ye sir thats what i said.the displacement is rarely in round figures as 1300, 1500 etc.but the tax guys estimate it to put most people in the upper tax slab. (because 1296cc city vtec is written as 1300cc)
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    So liana owners r paying tax according to 1500cc category.....:O,talk about racism..
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    ^ im not sure about that but may be,yes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
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    ye sir thats what i said.the displacement is rarely in round figures as 1300, 1500 etc.but the tax guys estimate it to put most people in the upper tax slab. (because 1296cc city vtec is written as 1300cc)
    The round figure is selling gimmick, corolla comes in 1299 so honda wrote 1300. Normally buyer think 1300 powerful than 1299 and same is with other cars.
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    So liana owners r paying tax according to 1500cc category.....:O,talk about racism..
    There are different slabs in different provinces, In islamabad upto 1299 is one slab and 1300 + another slab started thats why in islamabd corolla registration and annual income tax charges are less for corolla as compared to honda city (where-as honda is economical than corolla) In peshawar one slab is upto 1300 and another slab starts from 1301 and liana owners are charged double (I have experienced).
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    yeah... the system is all messed up.... i believe the best way to charge road tax is to include a small amount of tax in petrol price.all this 'token' thing should be finished. the more someone drives a car, the more he pays.the bigger engine, the more one pays!
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    can anybody plz guide me about City 04 model;

    1, performance on CNG?
    2, average on CNG and Petrol?

    Lately i was driving Cultus 06, but it has given very rough time so i am thinking say bye bye to SUZUKI cars..

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    @sohail

    1) excellent performance on petrol and cng both (not fast but very economical and reliable)

    2) avg on cng can go from 130-180 or even 200km/cyl depending on the driving style (55l cylinder)
    avg on petrol on around 14km/ltr in local and above 17 on higghways but again, driving style matters a lot.
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    @ahmad
    Bro i ll go with the pads which u suggested me ..can u tell me the name of those pads which u purchased so i ll go for it ..btw u suggested me to change the engine oil after 5000 kmz ......and u mentioned above that change the oil @ 3000 kms...

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    Sorry qiaser bhai ...my mistake .....mjy to mind mein hi nahi raha u also having city .........btw i texted u on FB send me ur mobile number.....
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    @shazi
    bro i dont remeber the name of the brand at all
    i think its Nissin or sumthing like that.
    as for oil change, 3000kms is the best point to change the oil.but if u want to save some cash n if u drive too much (i.e. 3000kms comes again in a month,like ine) then u can extend it to 5000kms BUT use good oil only. havoline etc.
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    I have seen your car pictures in some other thread on Pakwheels. You are having Red colour i-DSI. Is it the same red which is being offered in new Honda City or its slightly different?
    How do you rate this red colour in terms of maintenance. A person in another thread was saying that its is hell of a job to keep it clean, like in case of black colour. Similarly a person was saying that if you park your car in direct sunlight, this red colour fads more quickly than other colours.
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    I recently got 2006 city Manual with CNG. The weird problem i am facing is that when i press clutch the sound of engine increases (kind of squeaky) and its very low but noticeable. I av observed it on both cng and petrol..and there is no such sound wen car is idle. any idea what it could be?

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    @speedster
    yes sir mine is cool red.the color of new city isnt cool red.its simple maroon color.i like it too but i like cool red more.n yes, maintainence is a pain in a$$.its as hard to clean as black and the fading this is also true but it fades veryyyyy little, so less that if i park my car today (after 5 yrs use) along a brand new cool red car, only then can i notice the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fadk View Post
    I recently got 2006 city Manual with CNG. The weird problem i am facing is that when i press clutch the sound of engine increases (kind of squeaky) and its very low but noticeable. I av observed it on both cng and petrol..and there is no such sound wen car is idle. any idea what it could be?
    i believe the mileage of ur car is around 150,000 kms or atleast more then 1 lakh kms. this sound is the comming from the clutch bearing.its comming to the end of its like.for now, u can ignore the noise, wont do any harm and u can change if when the clutch plate dies too. but yes, there IS a possibility of this bearing completely dying off and giving high squeaking sound, specially when its cold.
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