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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    I also bought 2005 iDSI few weeks ago. I had three choices 1. City 2. Vitz 3. Liana. I opted for city after reading, observing and driving all those cars myself. Am happy with the purchase though I pay little extra due to extra stuff done by previous owner. Changed engine oil with Zic XQ and transmission oil with ZIC FF. Also removed stock tape deck and put my old companion Pioneer 3050UB.

    Hood insulation sheet was messy so I ordered new one from Honda PitShop Aabpara. Now car hood looks very clean and new. Cleaned its interior, trunk and engine bay myself. Took me several days of cleaning to make car smells good and looks neat. Driving it on petrol though CNG is installed but not gonna use CNG any soon. Fuel consumption is awesome and found it better than my previous 2008 Alto. AC is remarkable. In short, now I am eligible for this club .....

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    yep Honda City is one of the few cars u can enjoy on Petrol without putting a dent on ur wallet

    welcome to the club and enjoy ur ride

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    Bro i dont think my guess about the clutch bearing is wrong (but i do pray it is ) and if im right, then , sorry to say the previous owner of ur car must ve tempered the mileage of the car.as a 5yr old car with just 45,000kms is already a bit hard to believe. anyways, please dont be offended, thats just my guess.show it to some mechanic and do let me know what he says.
    oh its very believable man :p

    my City was bought Match 2006 and this Year marks its 5 Years with 46,000 KM on the Odometer and i know its not tempered since im the first owner

    just saying that it isnt something unrealistic some cars just dont get used much

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    @speedster
    well, depends on different types and brands of tires but just for peace of mind, changing tyres at 30k kms is fine, i wud think twice before overspeeding if tires r over 30k kms done.
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    @ahmad
    Bro i wanted to clean interior of my car my self ...i have one assistant with me so i wanted to do my self...tell me which material i should use ..i have seen guys cleaning interior having some liquid .......i ll take out the front seats and ll wash every thing and then wanted to clean doors and roof...so bro guide me as usual
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atif_Khan View Post
    I also bought 2005 iDSI few weeks ago. I had three choices 1. City 2. Vitz 3. Liana. I opted for city after reading, observing and driving all those cars myself. Am happy with the purchase though I pay little extra due to extra stuff done by previous owner. Changed engine oil with Zic XQ and transmission oil with ZIC FF. Also removed stock tape deck and put my old companion Pioneer 3050UB.

    Hood insulation sheet was messy so I ordered new one from Honda PitShop Aabpara. Now car hood looks very clean and new. Cleaned its interior, trunk and engine bay myself. Took me several days of cleaning to make car smells good and looks neat. Driving it on petrol though CNG is installed but not gonna use CNG any soon. Fuel consumption is awesome and found it better than my previous 2008 Alto. AC is remarkable. In short, now I am eligible for this club .....

    Honda City Fan Club - ?ui2
    Congratulations on ur purchase sir. you are not only eligible but also welcomed to the club
    City surely is the best among the 3 u chose from and im glad u liked it.fuel economy is surely the best thing about idsi.even if u run it on cng, it wont harm the engine (given that u maintain it properly).
    you seem to be a proper car enthusiast as u mentioned that u ve cleaned the car urself thats good.i like it.i also enjoy working on my car and its better then getting it cleaned by service station guys.
    an oh, lastly, some pix of ur car wud be good
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    I have a question, few days back when i was changing the engine oil and started the car
    some air with little pressure was coming out of the engine oil opening in the bonut. It might be coming from the intake/exhaust. i.e where camshaft is located.
    Can this pressure be indicative of something that engine is working normally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGhasanJ View Post
    oh its very believable man :p

    my City was bought Match 2006 and this Year marks its 5 Years with 46,000 KM on the Odometer and i know its not tempered since im the first owner

    just saying that it isnt something unrealistic some cars just dont get used much
    Sir i do understand that such low mileage is possible (as stated in my previous posts, i know a guy with 27k kms driven 1995 civic). but if the bearings of the car give sound, suspension is showing age and probably clutch bearing is also ending, i think i ve got enough reasons to say that mileage may be tempered no offence was meant to anyone.
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    @shazi
    well, i ve never done that kinda DIY so im not sure what to recommend.but i use formula 1 dashboard cleaner.its a yellow bottle with while liquid in it.very very effective for stains and is also very cost effective.just around 300rs.
    after cleaning the stains, i use 3CF/7CF liquid spray.its a pressurized can.this is basically sort of polish which is applied and then rubbed off to leave behind a shiney surface (dont spray too much, that wud leave an oily surface). thats all i can say about it.
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    @coolsmart
    well thats normal, the moving parts inside the engine tend to make pressure which has to be released somewhere.when u open the cap, pressure is released from there.when its closed,theres another outlet which leads this pressure from engine to the air intake.so thats normal.nothing to worry about.
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    Thanku ahmadbila for your inupt..really apprecaite it..

    i have another query...wen car is on cng wit A/C on..i can feel difference in acceleration wen the compressor starts and shuts down..its a constant cycle of compressor turnin off and on..and its really annoyin to drive wen u suddenly feel excess acceleration due to compressor bein turned off..is it normal?

    and i would really appreciate if someone tell me any trustable and expert honda city mechanic in KARACHI?

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    @fadk yes i myself noted when ac button is pressed a sudden load is felt.
    thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    @shazi
    well, i ve never done that kinda DIY so im not sure what to recommend.but i use formula 1 dashboard cleaner.its a yellow bottle with while liquid in it.very very effective for stains and is also very cost effective.just around 300rs.
    after cleaning the stains, i use 3CF/7CF liquid spray.its a pressurized can.this is basically sort of polish which is applied and then rubbed off to leave behind a shiney surface (dont spray too much, that wud leave an oily surface). thats all i can say about it.
    I wouldn't recommend using 7cf on dash,As it makes dash shiny and reflective which hinders driver's view.I only use a gud dashboard and upholstery cleaner and it gives a matt finish to the dash.My dashboard is or grey color.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolsmart View Post
    @fadk yes i myself noted when ac button is pressed a sudden load is felt.
    thanks.
    You guys must be running your cars on CNG coz I feel no real difference with AC on while driving coz I use Super+Hi Otcane mixture.

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    I wouldn't recommend using 7cf on dash,As it makes dash shiny and reflective which hinders driver's view.I only use a gud dashboard and upholstery cleaner and it gives a matt finish to the dash.My dashboard is or grey color.
    i agree
    7CF makes the dashboard comes to life i used it once but faced this same issue
    its hinders driving as ur whole dashboard is reflected on ur windscreen

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    [QUOTE=ahmadbila;2700123]@accord
    lol... i know hes a very nice person but ur red steery owned the integra
    good to know u r satisfied.you ve done the right thing, changing the tires i mean, bcuz even if u neglect the age factor, 30k kms is the max limit that u can expect from tires to go without issues.plus they can be sold for a fair price.
    n btw, i can smell 160-170km/h from ur m2 testing stuff be safe.

    Nice to talk to you Ahmad yesterday went pindi/isb for a day trip test the tires on M2 with some speed runs ,wet runs as behra onwards it was rain all the way to isb , have fun on salt range in M-mode over all satisfied with tires specially braking 'n' griping , even in wet they perform very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atif_Khan View Post
    You guys must be running your cars on CNG coz I feel no real difference with AC on while driving coz I use Super+Hi Otcane mixture.

    Agreed. NO difference felt on PETROL.

    However this happened to me with CUORE that acceleration was felt on CNG and a little bit on PETROL but negligible.

    However, as my city is on petrol I felt nothing such issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fadk View Post
    Thanku ahmadbila for your inupt..really apprecaite it..

    i have another query...wen car is on cng wit A/C on..i can feel difference in acceleration wen the compressor starts and shuts down..its a constant cycle of compressor turnin off and on..and its really annoyin to drive wen u suddenly feel excess acceleration due to compressor bein turned off..is it normal?

    and i would really appreciate if someone tell me any trustable and expert honda city mechanic in KARACHI?
    Yes sir i also feel the same while driving on cng.we all know cng lacks power and when the ac starts, it drains some power too, so u feel the difference.theres no way to make that unnoticeable on cng.the only one way of reducing the power-lack "kicking-in" is to put fan speed on either 1 (minimum) or 4 (maximum) this way, the compressor wud be either stay off most of the times or stay on most of the time, hence reducing the frequency of turn on turn off thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imtishal View Post
    I wouldn't recommend using 7cf on dash,As it makes dash shiny and reflective which hinders driver's view.I only use a gud dashboard and upholstery cleaner and it gives a matt finish to the dash.My dashboard is or grey color.
    thats true! i used to face the same problem.not applying 7CF meant having a very rough sort of surface which i didnt like at all but i ve found a solution which reduces this glare effect to great extent.t

    i take a clean cloth, spray some 7CF on the cloth (not dashboard) and then rub that cloth on the dashboard.this way, just the right amount of liquid stays on the dashboard and it doesnt even catch dust.thats what i do now. try it on the passenger side portion of ur cars' dashboard and see if u find it okay to be done to all the dashboard.
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    @accord
    was a pleasure to talk to u too
    im happy that this new breed of dunlop tyres that u got is very very good, cuz most of those old dunlops (SP, LM etc) were almost below average.
    my car's tyres have already done around 24,000kms is approximately 7 months and i ll have to change them again this summer will try to get the ones u got, IF they are available in 14inch size.
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