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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
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    was a pleasure to talk to u too
    im happy that this new breed of dunlop tyres that u got is very very good, cuz most of those old dunlops (SP, LM etc) were almost below average.
    my car's tyres have already done around 24,000kms is approximately 7 months and i ll have to change them again this summer will try to get the ones u got, IF they are available in 14inch size.
    and another good thing about them is that this model is good for summer environment like what we get here in pakistan and specially in sargodha
    The composition of ingredients used while manufacturing these tires suits summer
    Automobile summer tyres Bridgestone Sports Tourer MY 01 ? Automobile
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    yeah , sargodha remains tooo hot during summer.will see what tires i get.will have to visit lhr or isb for good tyres though.sgd is full of crap euro star and similar tyres
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    Quote Originally Posted by shazi_00 View Post
    @ahmad
    Bro i wanted to clean interior of my car my self ...i have one assistant with me so i wanted to do my self...tell me which material i should use ..i have seen guys cleaning interior having some liquid .......i ll take out the front seats and ll wash every thing and then wanted to clean doors and roof...so bro guide me as usual
    yaar I have all the stuff required for cleaning..eik din kaye liye apna assistant udhara daye day..maine apni gari saff karwani hai..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
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    (Y)(Y)(Y)rocking. hope u hav driven it by now.so how did it feel? any thing else added to the car? hav u put in the cd player yet? did the dashboard had to b oppened to get it in or not?cuz i dnt see anyother way to get the damn cassette player out.
    I have it fitted there is no need of opening the whole dashboard only the trim that is over audio system and with ac buttons is opened.

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    @all city 2009-11 owners

    does this car have some kind of rev limiter, coz when i take it to around 7k rpm the car looses power .......
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    Quote Originally Posted by imtishal View Post
    yaar I have all the stuff required for cleaning..eik din kaye liye apna assistant udhara daye day..maine apni gari saff karwani hai..

    Qaiser bhai assistant is always available even tuse kaho to i ll send some one from guzar qaid too ... u know in my job yeh kaam easy hai ....btw pass me ur all cleaning stuff i ll provide u assistant and u ll provide me stuff bake mera bunda khudi ker ly ga ..............

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    Exclamation Honda City 2009 - 2011 (2011 Specially)

    Quote Originally Posted by pico View Post
    @all city 2009-11 owners

    does this car have some kind of rev limiter, coz when i take it to around 7k rpm the car looses power .......
    @ pico:



    I wish you do not rev the car up to 7000rpm, because you are hitting the rev limiter and ruining your engine and its fuel economy purpose. The rev limiter will cut fuel and cause damage to your engine and also give power loss as there is a fuel cut(safety feature). Redlining is not that good, try shifting max by 6500rpm to 6800rpm if you must, although I do not suggest so for your car's safety and life. Here are some specs of the engine in your car for your guidance :

    L13A i-VTEC Engine

    SOHC 16 valve i-VTEC Type
    Displacement: 1,339 cc
    Bore x Stroke: 73.0 mm × 80.0 mm
    Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
    Horsepower: 73 kW (99 PS; 98 hp) / 6,000 rpm
    Torque: 127 N·m (94 lb·ft) / 4,800 rpm
    Redline: 6800rpm

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    ^^^

    by redline=6800rmp, do you mean it will limit and drop power at 6800rpm?? is this an official statistic??
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    Visited local dealer for service of the car and found out Honda is now offering Navigation / Back Camera in City as well for 55,000. I think its same as in Civic...unfortunately they didnt had any City with Navigation in display!
    • Sorry if its a repost!

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    @imaan1
    yes i meant that thing around the head unit and the ac button area.
    @pico
    yes.there IS a limiter.in fact 2 limiters.a parked car wouldnt rev more then 4000RPM (not sure if this applies to auto only or manual too) and secondly, it wont rev higher then 7000RPM when being driven.its a safety feature for the engine.but keep in mind this would work only on petrol, on cng, u ll have to take care urself as limiter wont strike in.

    @khuziz
    oh really? thats a great news who want the fun of DVD n rear view cam in lower priced car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dewanadracula View Post
    @ pico:



    I wish you do not rev the car up to 7000rpm, because you are hitting the rev limiter and ruining your engine and its fuel economy purpose. The rev limiter will cut fuel and cause damage to your engine and also give power loss as there is a fuel cut(safety feature). Redlining is not that good, try shifting max by 6500rpm to 6800rpm if you must, although I do not suggest so for your car's safety and life. Here are some specs of the engine in your car for your guidance :

    L13A i-VTEC Engine

    SOHC 16 valve i-VTEC Type
    Displacement: 1,339 cc
    Bore x Stroke: 73.0 mm × 80.0 mm
    Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
    Horsepower: 73 kW (99 PS; 98 hp) / 6,000 rpm
    Torque: 127 N·m (94 lb·ft) / 4,800 rpm
    Redline: 6800rpm

    Peace! (Correct me if I am Wrong; please)
    a small correction.hitting the rev limiter wont damage the engine, the limiter is there to stop the engine from entering its limits.crossing this limit will cause heavy wear and tear to the engine, that is why limiter is there to stop.but yes, revving even upto 6800rpms is enough while pushing the car hard.extra 200rpms wont give a lot of power so we better avoid that.

    for idsi, the red line starts at 6000rpm and limiter strikes in at 6200rpm.
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    @ khuziz

    the dvd Navigation / back camera offered in city costs 50,000 not 55,000 thats the cost for the civic unit,,,,, its good but the way they have instaled is weird the panel is good but the i-pod connector comes out of place under the gear ( the console under it) with a long wire which goes every where in the passenger feet area they should of put a insert pod for it and given a detachable cable with it,,,, also the usb jack is in the glove box again a wire is running up to glove box from inside and at the end is a usb jack,,,, they did not put jack for these 2 up near the screen insted put a memory card slot and a map card slot for navigation there,,,,, still the system looks good and has alot of functions,,, honda has really rocked this car no other 1300 comes with factory navi/dvd or in auto,,,,

    Booked mine 2day hopefully will get it in a week,,,,,,
    missed the navi/tv,,, had the draft already made for the simple one.......
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    Looking forward for any member to post some pictures of it!

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    the dvd Navigation / back camera offered in city costs 50,000 not 55,000 thats the cost for the civic unit,,,,, its good but the way they have instaled is weird the panel is good but the i-pod connector comes out of place under the gear ( the console under it) with a long wire which goes every where in the passenger feet area they should of put a insert pod for it and given a detachable cable with it,,,, also the usb jack is in the glove box again a wire is running up to glove box from inside and at the end is a usb jack,,,, they did not put jack for these 2 up near the screen insted put a memory card slot and a map card slot for navigation there,,,,, still the system looks good and has alot of functions,,, honda has really rocked this car no other 1300 comes with factory navi/dvd or in auto,,,,

    Booked mine 2day hopefully will get it in a week,,,,,,
    missed the navi/tv,,, had the draft already made for the simple one.......

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    can anybody hlp me in solving problm of decelration inspite of pushing it hard in first gear...its ok in all other gears. cariz 07 model and on cng

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    Quote Originally Posted by usman_kh1 View Post
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    the dvd Navigation / back camera offered in city costs 50,000 not 55,000 thats the cost for the civic unit,,,,, its good but the way they have instaled is weird the panel is good but the i-pod connector comes out of place under the gear ( the console under it) with a long wire which goes every where in the passenger feet area they should of put a insert pod for it and given a detachable cable with it,,,, also the usb jack is in the glove box again a wire is running up to glove box from inside and at the end is a usb jack,,,, they did not put jack for these 2 up near the screen insted put a memory card slot and a map card slot for navigation there,,,,, still the system looks good and has alot of functions,,, honda has really rocked this car no other 1300 comes with factory navi/dvd or in auto,,,,

    Booked mine 2day hopefully will get it in a week,,,,,,
    missed the navi/tv,,, had the draft already made for the simple one.......
    Congratulations brother.looking forward to read ur reviews about the car and some pix of ur car too.im yet to see the navigation screen in city, may be i ll visit the showroom to check it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drleo View Post
    can anybody hlp me in solving problm of decelration inspite of pushing it hard in first gear...its ok in all other gears. cariz 07 model and on cng
    well, never heard of this kinda problem.please explain in detail.also state the mileage of ur car and the maintainence u ve been doing on it inthe fast few 1000 kilometers.
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    waiting for Pics of the Navigation system offered in City

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    @ Ahmad
    thx bro,
    will try to get some pics 2moro,,,,,,
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    Salamz All,

    Its really amazing to get City with such added features. I havent seen such but hope will look great. I have noticed a new City earlier this morning (On Applied For) with fog lights added to the bumper as shown on web for City International Model. May be Honda added this too to its stream.

    Will love to see updated City pics and price quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drleo View Post
    can anybody hlp me in solving problm of decelration inspite of pushing it hard in first gear...its ok in all other gears. cariz 07 model and on cng
    Bad CNG or less then required CNG is entering into TB at that specific RPM
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