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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    zabardast.Tell us other details??like odo reading etc.
    Qaiser Pal,I have not failed.But found 1 of 10,000 ways which doesn't work.....Toyota driver "I couldn't repair my brakes,so i made my horn louder"..When i was born i was so surprised that i didn't talked to one and half year..since light travel faster then sound,people appear bright until you hear them speak..If u can't convince them,confuse them

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    Quote Originally Posted by imtishal View Post
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    zabardast.Tell us other details??like odo reading etc.
    It has done 130,000 KMs. Never required a 2nd self ever.... I love Honda engines. Engine never touched by any mechanic, other than tuning and throttle body cleanup. CNG on this city model just feels like driving on petrol... my friends always ask me "are you driving on petrol?".

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    WOW....that's amazing..I heard from some one in Honda that,the D13B4 needs an overhaul after 700k kms,and i always thought that how can that be possible.But ur car is the proof that it is valid statement.I hope u wont mind us having a peep into the engine bay to judge ur statement..
    I have it in the same color and EXIS model but ISB registered.
    Qaiser Pal,I have not failed.But found 1 of 10,000 ways which doesn't work.....Toyota driver "I couldn't repair my brakes,so i made my horn louder"..When i was born i was so surprised that i didn't talked to one and half year..since light travel faster then sound,people appear bright until you hear them speak..If u can't convince them,confuse them

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    Quote Originally Posted by imtishal View Post
    WOW....that's amazing..I heard from some one in Honda that,the D13B4 needs an overhaul after 700k kms,and i always thought that how can that be possible.But ur car is the proof that it is valid statement.I hope u wont mind us having a peep into the engine bay to judge ur statement..
    I have it in the same color and EXIS model but ISB registered.
    I meant the engine was never touched because no problem occurred, but regular maintenance was always done, like timing belt was replaced on 70,000. I am not sure what is B13B4. Engine bay is not that clean or new as you are expecting... because as you know we cannot use water in electronic engines and 130K for a engine without being washed will never gonna be clean especially in our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceage View Post
    Pics - March 2011

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    Wah maza a gayaaa one of my favorite model & color !!!
    immaculate condition bohat allaaa!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    i am hopeful what your wrote will take good care your problem, in my case for same model throttle body cleaning and spark plug gap adjustment works in between full tuning, another thing regarding pick up i wanna share, my machine is on cng and it was like choking sorta situation every thing was done but no use, then taken to cng mechanic which simply replace all flexible pipes in Rs.150 and pick came back, infact it was bend in pipe which caused pipe lining from inside to crack and causing flow restriction.
    And what about the issue of light jerks when we reduce speed or take feet off from accelerator. This happen specially in lower speeds while on cng. (On petrol this issue is reletively fine) With these jerks we can also hear the voice of "tk tk tk". Any idea ???
    Car driven 100,000 km with care is better than a car driven 10,000 km with out care.

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    @ iceage:

    Aalaa yar, what a clean ride (10/10 ), mashallah.
    By the way, whats the secret of such shine, pls share if you are using any polish or wax.
    Car driven 100,000 km with care is better than a car driven 10,000 km with out care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmafioso View Post
    guys i have a 2005 city vario( automatic ) on petrol. my car has done only 44000 KMS.

    meri car mushkil say 150-180 KM chalti hai HALF TANK mein.

    almost rs 1200 mein half tank hoti hai fill

    what seems to be the problem???

    also, idle mein RPM kitnay honay chahiye city kay??
    i must say its not good at all.when i had mine on petrol, the avg was around 600+ kms on petrol (800 on highways).
    tank capacity is 45ltrs.
    i think theres some problem with the tuning of ur car,get it done as per the shedule in the main post of this thread.
    RPM on idle should be on 750-800 with and without a.c.if urs is going higher than that, it will surely effect the fuel consumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iceage View Post
    Pics - March 2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamadnajam View Post
    And what about the issue of light jerks when we reduce speed or take feet off from accelerator. This happen specially in lower speeds while on cng. (On petrol this issue is reletively fine) With these jerks we can also hear the voice of "tk tk tk". Any idea ???
    the jerks are due to tuning for sure, as for the tk tk tk sound, that may be comming from suspension too.cant really say without hearing it.
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    @ahmadbila, i dont think its coming from suspension as often i can feel it with change of gear as well.

    Can u also suggest something to reduce engine noise in cabin. Engine is absoluttly fit & fine, but i still feel it would be better if we can reduce that noise. This is something which i have experienced in newer models (lower noise), wud be fantastic if we can do it with 2000 model.
    Car driven 100,000 km with care is better than a car driven 10,000 km with out care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamadnajam View Post
    @ iceage:

    Aalaa yar, what a clean ride (10/10 ), mashallah.
    By the way, whats the secret of such shine, pls share if you are using any polish or wax.
    To maintain the original color shine, never ever use wet/dry cloth to clean the body that has dirt or dust on it, always wash the car otherwise leave the dust that would not harm.
    It is very common practice here in our country specially with drivers, that if we want to quickly clean the car, we use wet cloth to clean the body, which destroys the color shine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceage View Post
    I meant the engine was never touched because no problem occurred, but regular maintenance was always done, like timing belt was replaced on 70,000. I am not sure what is B13B4. Engine bay is not that clean or new as you are expecting... because as you know we cannot use water in electronic engines and 130K for a engine without being washed will never gonna be clean especially in our country.
    D13B4 is the engine code for this model.2ndly, who told u that it's engine bay cannot be washed??..:O,I have been getting my car's engine bay serviced since i got her back in 2007 and up till now never faced any issued caused by washing the engine with water.yeah i knw she has electronics..but I'm sure they r not like santro's or liana's types.
    Qaiser Pal,I have not failed.But found 1 of 10,000 ways which doesn't work.....Toyota driver "I couldn't repair my brakes,so i made my horn louder"..When i was born i was so surprised that i didn't talked to one and half year..since light travel faster then sound,people appear bright until you hear them speak..If u can't convince them,confuse them

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamadnajam View Post
    And what about the issue of light jerks when we reduce speed or take feet off from accelerator. This happen specially in lower speeds while on cng. (On petrol this issue is reletively fine) With these jerks we can also hear the voice of "tk tk tk". Any idea ???
    IF u'll reduce the speed in high gears then the car will give jerks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamadnajam View Post
    @ahmadbila, i dont think its coming from suspension as often i can feel it with change of gear as well.

    Can u also suggest something to reduce engine noise in cabin. Engine is absoluttly fit & fine, but i still feel it would be better if we can reduce that noise. This is something which i have experienced in newer models (lower noise), wud be fantastic if we can do it with 2000 model.
    tk tk sound might be from the excel,or the boot of excel is broken and excel is running a bit dry.check and confirm it.There are 2 kinds of noise which r felt in this model.
    1 - road noise,it's because of suspension design and cannot be eliminated but can be reduced by using soft springs however, handling on corners and high speeds will suffer.
    2 - Engine noise,this can be due to hard or broken engine mounts,due to which vibrations along with sound is transferred to car's body and felt in cabin.If not,then u can put underlay along to firewall to reduce them.
    Qaiser Pal,I have not failed.But found 1 of 10,000 ways which doesn't work.....Toyota driver "I couldn't repair my brakes,so i made my horn louder"..When i was born i was so surprised that i didn't talked to one and half year..since light travel faster then sound,people appear bright until you hear them speak..If u can't convince them,confuse them

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamadnajam View Post
    @ahmadbila, i dont think its coming from suspension as often i can feel it with change of gear as well.

    Can u also suggest something to reduce engine noise in cabin. Engine is absoluttly fit & fine, but i still feel it would be better if we can reduce that noise. This is something which i have experienced in newer models (lower noise), wud be fantastic if we can do it with 2000 model.
    i cant say a lot about this tk tk sound coming from ur car.it can be a lot of things and i cant shortlist without hearing it myself.take it to some mechanic if u think its really annoying u.
    as for the soundproofing, as earlier stated by a member, underlay can be put on the firewall and in the doors and may be even on the floor, would certainly help but its a painstaking task!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamadnajam View Post
    And what about the issue of light jerks when we reduce speed or take feet off from accelerator. This happen specially in lower speeds while on cng. (On petrol this issue is reletively fine) With these jerks we can also hear the voice of "tk tk tk". Any idea ???
    i beleive @ahmed and @imtishal have already preety much covered it and i too beleive your car only needs a full tune up and nothing more, get it tuned on petrol and then have its gas adjusted an you will good with this jerks problem.
    for the tk tk sound, try to isolate the source of sound as its very difficult to comment on that part like this.

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    Underlay n firewall ??? Ye kya hein ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmafioso View Post
    guys i have a 2005 city vario( automatic ) on petrol. my car has done only 44000 KMS.

    meri car mushkil say 150-180 KM chalti hai HALF TANK mein.

    almost rs 1200 mein half tank hoti hai fill

    what seems to be the problem???

    also, idle mein RPM kitnay honay chahiye city kay??
    same issude with me ...
    ahmed bahi help me plz
    1 month me 3 bar tuning kerwa chuka hun genuine honda ke plug wagera change kiye mgr sirf 5% farq parah...
    meri car to mushkil se 100km chalti ha

    anyone hv made custom arm rest ??
    if yes thn plz show sm pix ...
    and where i can get lip spoiler for my city 06 frm pindi ?? i find alot but useless

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