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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    Many people say that new City is only good for cities having good roads. Because the new City has low profile tyres as compared to Corolla. Also its build quality is such that it gives Kharak kharak sound on uneven roads. I would like ahmedbila to comment on this as he lives in Sargodha and the roads there are not so good. Ahmed, do you see new Citys in Sargodha? And how are they performing there? What about the ground clearance? I am planning to buy new Honda City inshAllah, but as I often visit my village near Chakwal, so I am a little bit worried about that.
    well, there are many,many new/old citys in sargodha. 3 of my close friends have them here too.and they are all very satisfied.its much lower then the new corolla but u know, nothing can get higher then a corolla so its fine.one of my friend has done 35000kms and other 15000kms.both are 100% satisfied with everything.
    as for dashboard quality, i wud certainly agree that there are some faults, but that doesnt mean it wud start rattling in the very first day.my car was driven 100kms daily on under construction,plus local drive on good roads.the first rattles started from the front passenger door, that too, after 1 lakh kms mileage.and that door was opened for denting (it got a small dent) and the rattle started after that.
    so there are no serious issues.as for chakwal, i guess its just a few kms drive after exiting motorway from balkasar.its no big deal for city at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    Originally Posted by ahmadbila Honda City Fan Club - viewpost
    wow... those are some really big alloys for an idsi how was the comfort level/fuel economy/acceleration with them?


    People might not agree with me here but i`m a person who believes in puttin rims on yer ride only if they`ll say that you have arrived!!! Not just another "karawai" of rims installed. These rims are 18`s, not mines but a freinds an they were installed for a while. Ride quality was affected but not to the extent of being a nuisance, acceleration as taken down a notch but still manageable. It did rub the insides of the wheel wells, have a torn mud sheild as well from it but at the end of the day, its pure joy! Mileage well the tyre went from 175 to 225....i think thats a guzzling factor on its own ! Shauk da koi mull nai mate!Couple of previous rides will explain my theory on rims...2wice 17`s on cultus, 12` old chool hollows on Mehran.

    Thats true! shok da koe mull nai 18s would certainly kill the fuel economy a bit but they way the car would handle, its like an addiction.a friend had 17s in his idsi, his rear wheels also hit inside the wheel well and he ended up bursting one of the rear wheels but still he didnt want to let them go



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    Quote Originally Posted by mri1977 View Post
    Dear all,

    Could you please specify the disfference between car polish and car wax? Which product does what and what should be used on a new car and at what frequency?

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    AhmadBila,

    Could you please add on to this? frequency of waxing etc

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    @mri1977
    well, that depends on the usage of ur car.if it sits in ur garage most of the day, doing just 10-30kms daily in clean islamabad like dust free enviornment, it may not require a wax before 2-3 months.
    on the other hand, if its driven even the same 10-30 kms in a dusty place (dust scratches the smooth finish of the paint) then it would require waxing every month.it depends on u now.

    a simple rule to know if u need waxing on ur car is that, when u wash it, water droplets should stay on the surface as indivisual drops, they shudnt be in a continuous surface,if they are, its time to wax the car.
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    Thanks Ahmad.

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    Just coming back from Honda Showroom near Saddar Rawalpindi. The delivery period of Honda City manual transmission is 3 months after the booking. If you want immediate delivery then 70,000 Rs is premium.
    Now if I book the car right now, it will be delivered in September. And if the car prices increase in this budget, then I will have to pay increased price. So should I buy the car right now with premium or book the car? Your suggestions would be appreciated. Any idea of car prices after this budget?
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    guys, beat that
    i think this is enough proof of city to be used successfully in villages


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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    Just coming back from Honda Showroom near Saddar Rawalpindi. The delivery period of Honda City manual transmission is 3 months after the booking. If you want immediate delivery then 70,000 Rs is premium.
    Now if I book the car right now, it will be delivered in September. And if the car prices increase in this budget, then I will have to pay increased price. So should I buy the car right now with premium or book the car? Your suggestions would be appreciated. Any idea of car prices after this budget?
    hhmmm... now we got a situation here
    well, i dont think paying 70k on just assumptions makes sense.the price may or may not increase.so i wud say u shud not pay the premium.i.e. if u dont need a new car badly and if u can wait.

    btw, why dont u check other honda showrooms? may be u can get one for less premuim from the one in I sector isb or may be some other city, peshawar, lahore or jehlum.
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    ^^^
    Yes I will call other showrooms on Monday. I have seen their website. Show rooms near Rawalpindi/Islamabad are in Peshawar, Lahore, Faisalabad, Sargodha and Mirpur.
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    ^ yeah , hopefully u ll get a good deal.btw, what color u ve decided to go for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    ^ yeah , hopefully u ll get a good deal.btw, what color u ve decided to go for?
    I am very much confused about colour. Personally I like Habanero Red a lot. But it is very difficult to maintain, Secondly I have observed that red colour fades a bit soon as compared to other colours. I think I should go for white colour. Its ever green colour. Easy to maintain. Has good resale. And God forbid, if some part of your car needs to be repainted, white can easily be matched. Other metallic colours are not so easy to match, specially Habanero Red and Bold Beige. What do you say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    I am very much confused about colour. Personally I like Habanero Red a lot. But it is very difficult to maintain, Secondly I have observed that red colour fades a bit soon as compared to other colours. I think I should go for white colour. Its ever green colour. Easy to maintain. Has good resale. And God forbid, if some part of your car needs to be repainted, white can easily be matched. Other metallic colours are not so easy to match, specially Habanero Red and Bold Beige. What do you say?
    i like habanero red and lapis blue equally.blue a bit more may be.but yes, it sure is very hard to keep them clean.i have a cool red idsi and its a pain in a$$ to keep it clean all the times.and yes color fade is also more visible in darker colors.
    white surely is ever green color.u can also consider the new golden color, as its equally easy to clean as white.silver is an option too.
    but i wud like to say that no matter what paint ones car is, if its metallic, matching the repaints is a very hard task, even for white and black.
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    ^^^
    The white paint is also metallic? I guess its a solid colour.
    The person at Honda showroom was telling that out of all the colours of new City, Blue colour has failed. It has the lowest sales.
    Blue colour of Corolla is really good.
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    as far as i know,its metallic too.even 2001 civic and 2003 city etc had all metallic paints.but u gotta confirm that for new city.
    yes i agree blue is almost failed.but that doesnt make it a bad color.when i got cool red idsi, it was the 2nd of its color in sargodha and to this day, there are only 8 cars of this color (i know registration numbers of all, small city ) so its still rare.but yes, resale value wud be a bit lower.
    its for u to decide what u want.silver, white, gunmetallic,black etc are safe colors to go for.
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    ^^^
    Gun metallic?
    Are you talking about that grey colour? (Polish metal)
    I think I should go for White colour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    ^^^
    Gun metallic?
    Are you talking about that grey colour? (Polish metal)
    I think I should go for White colour.
    yes , polish metal.the simple name for it would be gun metallic i guess
    white looks excellent on new city, and its not very common too.
    best of luck getting ur new ride.share ur views and pix of the car when i get it.
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    oh! its u good to know.when u called yesterday, i JUST came out of exam centre and was waiting at kalma chowk lahore for a friend to pick me up.so did u see that light again?
    Bro i have city 2005 , and yup now there isn't any light...tank is half filled...actually i filled the tank and then went for alignment, after alignment i noticed the light is gone so i thought this happened due to this ...But thanx to u i didn't went back to the shop ,i called u and u told me this is sign of reserve ....now u can imagine my level of understanding for my car...abi to think for ac service woh bhi pochna hia ..wht are necessary things to be done ..u know all ac wala try to rip off ..
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    @ahmad
    just read older posts..congrats on passing your exam ......
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    Quote Originally Posted by shazi_00 View Post
    Bro i have city 2005 , and yup now there isn't any light...tank is half filled...actually i filled the tank and then went for alignment, after alignment i noticed the light is gone so i thought this happened due to this ...But thanx to u i didn't went back to the shop ,i called u and u told me this is sign of reserve ....now u can imagine my level of understanding for my car...abi to think for ac service woh bhi pochna hia ..wht are necessary things to be done ..u know all ac wala try to rip off ..
    oh! when i was talking to u, i thought u ve new city,the way i told u of measuring fuel quantity in the tank was for new city, not idsi.so now im thinking what else it can be
    let me post a pic n then u tell me if thats what u saw.wait for a few mins.
    and oh, thanks
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    bro is ur car auto or manual? was this light just besides the "E" of fuel guage? and orange, bold dot?
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