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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonedsaint View Post
    thanks for reply bro, nice idea btw, sure will discuss with some other senior members.
    how about fitting a silencer box at the place where cat is located, cut the old box ( housing ) out and fit another similar sized box instead .... would it effect ?
    thats exactly what i wrote in my last post.when u take the CAT out, u HAVE to install the sensor into the exhaust stream somewhere, so usually people get normal dholki/silencer installed in its place.

    btw, i though about it and got an idea.check out this picture. please not that the middle one is how my car's CAT is.a chunk of filtering element in taken out but it runs fine on petrol, no check engine lights and on my recent visit to multan with passengers and A/c, it gave me around 16km/ltr roughly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    thats exactly what i wrote in my last post.when u take the CAT out, u HAVE to install the sensor into the exhaust stream somewhere, so usually people get normal dholki/silencer installed in its place.

    btw, i though about it and got an idea.check out this picture. please not that the middle one is how my car's CAT is.a chunk of filtering element in taken out but it runs fine on petrol, no check engine lights and on my recent visit to multan with passengers and A/c, it gave me around 16km/ltr roughly.

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    Not a bad idea ! I might give it a try, otherwise replacing a silencer box option is always open, should give it a try !

    Btw i m getting approx 11 km/liter in city, have just check again, last time i check it was somewhere around 9km/L, may be bad quality of fuel or some other reasons, wat u say should i go for CAT or wait !
    I used to get around 14 - 15 km/liter when odo was at 40k , after 55k its just like that .....

    Hash brother suggested to get CAT removed before installing cng .... also planning to install cng, not sure at the moment !

    Heard petrol coming down 5 rs and cng going up to 70 rs / kg in near future ! dont know how authentic is this news is but better wait for a while i think .......
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    @ahmadbila:

    The timeline mentioned against the history of each Honda City makes it for 3 years between major model change ? If that's the case, new city will be available end of this year ?

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    Majority of Honda City's discussed on this and other threads are Manual transmission, How good an automatic variant of the car is ? what are the 'could be' reasons for Automatic transmission of honda city not that common?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK77 View Post
    @ahmadbila:

    The timeline mentioned against the history of each Honda City makes it for 3 years between major model change ? If that's the case, new city will be available end of this year ?
    There are rumors that facelift 5th gen City is coming in India by end of current year; lets see if it happens or not and what Atlas Honda does in Pakistan

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    New rims are looking cool; no comments about the new look

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    @ahmadbila; the opening post needs bit of editing
    • 4th Gen section needs to be corrected. The date "2005 - present" needs to be corrected. This section also needs more info...for instance details about "Vario" trim. This section is also confusing as it talks more about Steermatic that already has its own seperate section.
    • Please move iDSI and Steermatic sections to top of Gen 5
    • Steermatic doest has paddle shifts; it has buttons on steering I think; paddle shift is different
    • Similar to iDSI and Steermatic sections under 4th gen; we should have iVTEC section under 5th gen talking about whats new in it and how it differs from simple VTEC etc
    • In 2011 Atlas introduced few more stuff in City we need couple of lines on it as well
    It would also be nice to have price history (if possible; atleast 5 years back) so that people buying used City can get some idea from this info

    I am not criticizing; just wants info to be updated and correct. I am a fan of "City" and owned 5th gen City in 2009 - 2010

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    Good question and looking forward to what people has to say on this. Generally I think its got no competition; if someone wants entry level automatic sedan; City A/T is the only choice. The new GLI-AT is priced higher (and it has larger engine) and it will be interesting to see how it impacts the City A/T. Looking forward for return of something on Steermatic lines; if not CVT; atleast paddle-shifters?
    Quote Originally Posted by MK77 View Post
    Majority of Honda City's discussed on this and other threads are Manual transmission, How good an automatic variant of the car is ? what are the 'could be' reasons for Automatic transmission of honda city not that common?
    • I never liked "City-AT" thing in 5th gen. They should put on normal "Automatic" sticker. The AT part kills the "City" badge look!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK77 View Post
    @ahmadbila:

    The timeline mentioned against the history of each Honda City makes it for 3 years between major model change ? If that's the case, new city will be available end of this year ?

    New City will not be available in Pakistan till begining of 2013. This is 100% confirm news.
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    I am facing rpm drop issue on cng in my city 2000 (no rmp drop on petrol). RPM setting done several times but it again start to drop rpm after 2, 3 days. Throttle body service, plugs, tunning all done.

    Any suggestion what could be the possible solution?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonedsaint View Post
    Not a bad idea ! I might give it a try, otherwise replacing a silencer box option is always open, should give it a try !

    Btw i m getting approx 11 km/liter in city, have just check again, last time i check it was somewhere around 9km/L, may be bad quality of fuel or some other reasons, wat u say should i go for CAT or wait !
    I used to get around 14 - 15 km/liter when odo was at 40k , after 55k its just like that .....

    Hash brother suggested to get CAT removed before installing cng .... also planning to install cng, not sure at the moment !

    Heard petrol coming down 5 rs and cng going up to 70 rs / kg in near future ! dont know how authentic is this news is but better wait for a while i think .......
    well, petrol went down by just 80 paisas and cng is still there.i would love to see petrol prices being dropped but honestly, my mind doesnt let me think that a permanent drop in prices of petrol will ever be seen, drop of a few rupees i mean, 8-10rs. bcuz 2-5rs drop wudnt change much.
    so if u are planning to install cng, dont wait i wud say.just get it.u ll save ur CAT too bcuz it will not have to absorb the pollutants anymore (cng is cleaner) and even if petrol and cng prices are same , 1 unit of cng gives u more mileage compared to one unit of petrol (neglecting other circumstances like more maintainence on cng etc etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by khurram_aziz View Post
    There are rumors that facelift 5th gen City is coming in India by end of current year; lets see if it happens or not and what Atlas Honda does in Pakistan

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    New rims are looking cool; no comments about the new look
    no sir. this is NOT the upcomming shape of city.these pix are from 2008.this was the concept of this current city back then.so dont expect anything near.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MK77 View Post
    @ahmadbila:

    The timeline mentioned against the history of each Honda City makes it for 3 years between major model change ? If that's the case, new city will be available end of this year ?
    well, not exactly.here in pakistan, even if a car gets redesigned bumpers and lights, we consider it as new model.this is why i broke all of them into generations based on even small changes.
    but to be accurate, there have been on 3 generations of city.1997-2003, 2003-2009 and 2009 to today. the changes in 2000 and 2006 were minor ones and should not be treated as complete model change.so , the complete new model is still atleast 2 yrs away (based on my own opinion) though, some minor changes may be introduced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MK77 View Post
    Majority of Honda City's discussed on this and other threads are Manual transmission, How good an automatic variant of the car is ? what are the 'could be' reasons for Automatic transmission of honda city not that common?
    There have been some issues with the idsi CVT transmission (only on CNG) but the new city now does not use CVT tranny so there are no issues what so ever.on cng and petrol,both.
    There are 2 major reasons why its not very common.first, majority of people (including me) and no a fan of auto tranny cars in the first place.
    the second reason is the most of the City-buyers are the ones who are looking to get a nice family car for the minimum price, auto tranny adds a huge chunk to the price and to many, theres no advantage of it.they may pay 50k extra for navigation screen but they might not pay it for auto tranny.

    so , rest assured, theres nothing wrong.its just the reluctance of buyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khurram_aziz View Post
    @ahmadbila; the opening post needs bit of editing
    • 4th Gen section needs to be corrected. The date "2005 - present" needs to be corrected. This section also needs more info...for instance details about "Vario" trim. This section is also confusing as it talks more about Steermatic that already has its own seperate section.
    • Please move iDSI and Steermatic sections to top of Gen 5
    • Steermatic doest has paddle shifts; it has buttons on steering I think; paddle shift is different
    • Similar to iDSI and Steermatic sections under 4th gen; we should have iVTEC section under 5th gen talking about whats new in it and how it differs from simple VTEC etc
    • In 2011 Atlas introduced few more stuff in City we need couple of lines on it as well
    It would also be nice to have price history (if possible; atleast 5 years back) so that people buying used City can get some idea from this info

    I am not criticizing; just wants info to be updated and correct. I am a fan of "City" and owned 5th gen City in 2009 - 2010
    thanks for pointing it out sir.to be honest, i havent read all the main post after i wrote it years back so yes, i do expect some mistakes in it.inshallah they ll be rectified shortly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamadnajam View Post
    I am facing rpm drop issue on cng in my city 2000 (no rmp drop on petrol). RPM setting done several times but it again start to drop rpm after 2, 3 days. Throttle body service, plugs, tunning all done.

    Any suggestion what could be the possible solution?
    dear just go to a good CNG mechanic, and go for CNG Kit n Cylinder service, the problem will b gone InshaAllah
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    one question from experts
    what is Venturi? is it useful in some context to Honda city 2006? any + and - points for this.
    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by murtazee View Post
    one question from experts
    what is Venturi? is it useful in some context to Honda city 2006? any + and - points for this.
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    There are basically 2 ways of injecting CNG into the air intake stream of a car.
    one of them is called venturi, other is called injector.

    in injector, a hole is made into the air filter box of honda city (its strategically placed i guess) and the pipe introduces the CNG directly into the air stream in the air filter.

    in venturi, there is an additional component, its a sort of ring attached to the pipe which is inserted in the injector type thing.the cng is inserted into this ring and all the air that is going towards the engine is passed through this ring.this way, it probably mixes with the air better then injector (im not sure if this is the purpose of venturi).
    i ve seen venturi being used in civic but never seen in idsi.i think theres a reason why the experts dont use venturi in idsi, so i wud say there wudnt be any plus points.
    and oh, one thing that i ve heard is that injector type CNG induction works well and the car runs great on petrol too.while in the venturi type, performance and mileage is a bit compromised on petrol because it blocks the intake a bit.i ll see if i can find a pic to demonstrate.
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    here is what venturi is.its installed in the air intake in such a way that all that air will pass through it.and theres a hole in it on a side which is the inlet for CNG.
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    Booked my New Honda City Manual Transmission today in White colour from Honda Center Rawalpindi.
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    Congratulations...it looks stunning in white...
    hoping you will get it soon...good decision not to pay any premium
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    Booked my New Honda City Manual Transmission today in White colour from Honda Center Rawalpindi.
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