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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    AOA

    I have recently purchased a city 2005 now there are two trips A & B in its meter both are showing different readings I want to know how to reset them I am pressing the black button but they dont reset instead on every press they either move from A to B or to normal mileage help me

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    AOA

    I have recently purchased a city 2005 now there are two trips A & B in its meter both are showing different readings I want to know how to reset them I am pressing the black button but they dont reset instead on every press they either move from A to B or to normal mileage help me
    keep it press for few seconds and it will come to zero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by accord7362 View Post
    keep it press for few seconds and it will come to zero.
    Thanks will do that inshallah

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    On petrol it glows after 4.5k rpm and on CNG it glows after 3k rpm the pick is fine on both gas and petrol. The car starts at 1100rpm and when hot idles at 750-800 rpm but the rpm does not fluctuate the ride is idsi 2005 and 84k done. I also want to change its accelerator and clutch cables how much will they cost me original ones

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    Hey ******'s I have a honda city 2010 AT whenever I go on uneven roads my rear view mirror vibrates. Am i the only one or is this normal? ? ?

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    Guys i have recently bought honda city 2007,can any body give me an idea that what millage should it give as indication of good engine condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zohaib2226 View Post
    @ ahmed bilal
    today got things done of the car i bought
    1 changed oil
    2 oil and air filter
    3 adjuster bearing and belt too
    4 clutch and generator bearing is fine according to the Honda pit stop people
    5 got the rubbers for pedals
    6 but one thing is bugging me when i came home after all this, all sound of bearing was gone, but when i give race to engine and leave it, there is wierd sound in the end like kar kar kar.
    kind of worried
    are you aware of any such thing
    plz pm me ur cell contact
    So bro, did u get it sorted out? what was it? btw, i think it can be the generator belt too! take some water and throw it on the belts and see if the sound disappears for a few seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azeembh View Post
    I have honda city 2005(manual). i have installed NGK single tip spark plugs. i need to increase my car pickup. i have following question in mind.


    • If changing spark plugs affect car pickup?
    • Should I go for single tip or 2 or 4 tip plug?
    • Plug should be Platinum or Iradium based?
    • which brand is best for spark plugs?


    Looking for a experienced advise.

    Thanks

    Back in 2007, experts advised me against using 4 tip plugs.but it still got them and later found out that i should pay heed to what the experts say

    there will be no additional performance gain from 2 or 4 tip plugs, the only difference will be of new and old plugs, which itself is hardly noticable in efi cars.fuel efficiency also remains the same if the car is well tuned.the only thing these 4 tip plugs are good at is their life.u can keep them running for more then 60,000kms.i used mine for 60,000kms, removed them and put them is a friends khyber and did 35,000kms on khyber too
    and the reason why im advising u against it is that they will put a lot of strain on the ignition coils of ur car which may give up after some time.so, stay away from it, best plugs would OEM ones, and if u want to save some cash, DENSO ND16 is the best one.costs 140rs/piece.
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    What is the grading of oil recommended in citys Owners manual and which oil to put in it. What spark plugs are best for city are original honda ones available in market other than 3s dealers

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfawad19 View Post
    i have city 2004 idsi manual. the car is not accelerating smoothly on cng....feels like it is struggling to accelerate ...without ac...nd with ac it is even worse...what should i do...any ideas....do u guys knows any good mechanic in rwp from whom i get it check up.........i recently purchased this car so not know much about it......

    get it full tuned.change the spark plugs, air filter, engine oil etc.service the throttle body, get tappets tuned and then cng adjusted.ur car should improve a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbalouch View Post
    Guys i have recently bought honda city 2007,can any body give me an idea that what millage should it give as indication of good engine condition.
    mileage/fuel economy/performance alone cannot be taken as criteria of judging the condition of engine.
    just check if the engine idles smoothly, does not reduces engine oil (or reduces veryyyyy less oil in summer only) and it sounds normal.ur engine should be fine.
    mileage and performance etc can be enhance by tuning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    What is the grading of oil recommended in citys Owners manual and which oil to put in it. What spark plugs are best for city are original honda ones available in market other than 3s dealers
    i recommend havoline formula (its 10w20 or may be 10w30) for cars with lesser mileage or for cars which arent driven very much daily.
    for those which have pile of mileage, havoline CXT is better (its thicker) grade is 20w40.
    im not sure but i guess OEM plugs would be available in open market too but the cost would be almost same.if u want to use some other lower cost plugs, DENSO ND16 are good enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    On petrol it glows after 4.5k rpm and on CNG it glows after 3k rpm the pick is fine on both gas and petrol. The car starts at 1100rpm and when hot idles at 750-800 rpm but the rpm does not fluctuate the ride is idsi 2005 and 84k done. I also want to change its accelerator and clutch cables how much will they cost me original ones
    if the air filter isnt choked, ur car needs tuning.first, get it diagnosed with a diagnostic tool (mechanics who have this tool charge 300-500rs for diagnosing).
    then get it tuned, throttle body service,plugs, airfilter, tappets adjustment etc and cng adjusted.check light will not glow if everythings well tuned.
    i dont have any idea about cost of clutch and accelerator wire.why do u want to change it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by afnanshahjahanfayaz View Post
    Hey ******'s I have a honda city 2010 AT whenever I go on uneven roads my rear view mirror vibrates. Am i the only one or is this normal? ? ?
    shouldnt vibrate much, unless the mirror inside it is replaced with a bad quality one.
    and oh, please refrain from using the words that are forbidden.theres a reason why the admins have put the restriction on these words
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    i recommend havoline formula (its 10w20 or may be 10w30) for cars with lesser mileage or for cars which arent driven very much daily.
    for those which have pile of mileage, havoline CXT is better (its thicker) grade is 20w40.
    im not sure but i guess OEM plugs would be available in open market too but the cost would be almost same.if u want to use some other lower cost plugs, DENSO ND16 are good enough.
    My mileage is very low around 15-20 km/day the car is driven 84k only

    DENSO ND 16 are as good as original honda or not what is the cost of original honda plugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    if the air filter isnt choked, ur car needs tuning.first, get it diagnosed with a diagnostic tool (mechanics who have this tool charge 300-500rs for diagnosing).
    then get it tuned, throttle body service,plugs, airfilter, tappets adjustment etc and cng adjusted.check light will not glow if everythings well tuned.
    i dont have any idea about cost of clutch and accelerator wire.why do u want to change it?
    I recently bought this ride currently I think its having a bigger accelerator cable and with some juggar the mistsy has made a knot in the middles to make it shorten and fit in the car now sometimes the accelerator reponds when I just press it and sometimes does not even when I half press it and sometimes the accelerator is kept pressed while press the clutch for gear change. The clutch cable is also a bit hard when I sat in my mehran at first I thought that its clutch has gone free so my citys clutch is hard it does not jam in way presses smoothly and smooth release but you need to have a heavy foot to press it

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    I recently bought this ride currently I think its having a bigger accelerator cable and with some juggar the mistsy has made a knot in the middles to make it shorten and fit in the car now sometimes the accelerator reponds when I just press it and sometimes does not even when I half press it and sometimes the accelerator is kept pressed while press the clutch for gear change. The clutch cable is also a bit hard when I sat in my mehran at first I thought that its clutch has gone free so my citys clutch is hard it does not jam in way presses smoothly and smooth release but you need to have a heavy foot to press it
    Denso ND16 are almost as good as OEM ones.i dont know the price of OEM plugs.would be around 250rs i guess.

    as for accelerator cable, yes, change it.but the clutch cable, i ve got bad news for u there is NO clutch cable in idsi.its a hydrolic clutch, operated by oil.so if the clutch is hard, it CAN be an almost dead clutch plate.the procedure of changing clutch plate is a very long and tiring one.would take 4-5hrs atleast, cost of clutch plate + pressure plate + clutch bearing is around 8500rs and labour is 2000rs.
    i hope its not the clutch plate in ur car thats faulty.
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