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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    asslam-o-alikum

    first if all i want to say there are many true lovers of city here
    who hve deep knowledge about this ride.
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    so guys i want your suggestion.
    i am planing to buy new city 2011 model.
    the basic purpose of this car is as a daily drive for me from home to university
    which makes a total distanccee of 60 kms.
    so also planing to install CNG in it.
    .

    so guys cons nd prons of this model of city.

    hope u will help
    regards

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    Default City oil Filter

    AOA
    I bought the city 2004 genuine oil filter for Rs 700, three months ago as i planned to use shell ultra 5W-40 (expensive).
    Its the same gaurd filter except with honda logo printed on it. so for logo
    i have to pay 3-400 Rs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    here are the pix of the clutch plate and clutch bearing that were taken out of my car.clutch plate had some life left in it i guess, but bearing was completely gone!!!
    Ahmad bhai how much all this process cost u? and which brand of plates and pressure and bearing u replaced with and howz results?
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    Lahore members how much mileage you are getting in 1 cylinder of your city in city with AC on. I live in a congusted area and am getting around 80-90 kms with AC on

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    approx 100 in karachi, city driving

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    Quote Originally Posted by kn_khipk View Post
    approx 100 in karachi, city driving
    what is the mileage of your car+ model

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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    boys! make some noise in the forum!!!!! just for the sake of talking i`m throwin a question, whats the ultimate honda city in your view.....model, reason, pics if you have any, car can be moddified, stock anythin...


    jus for fun, check out this city!
    Great idea! how about these? @everybody, ur turn

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    @Ahmadbilla

    What average you are getting per cylinder in city wity AC on and on long

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    Quote Originally Posted by FederalAgent View Post
    salam guyz,

    Today i bought city 09, 36K driven and on petrol. I had previous experience of driving 06 & 08 city, and the past experience was awsome. I havent take over the car yet tomorrow i,ll give full payment and will get the ride.
    I did a test drive and i feel it a little sluggish and little lag in accelration dont know is it a problem or I am not used to it.

    the previous owner installed air intake in it and lost the orignal Air filter box. the sheet under the engine is missing, so please guide me from where can i get these two things (pindi/isb) and for how much. i want to bring it totally stock.
    I also need help from the experts about understanding its ODO meter. It is a maze for me showing something about the fuel average, while giving throttle a bar increasing in fuel average meter, whats that ????
    also give me some tips to maintain it, to increase fuel economy etc I dont have plan to install CNG in it but if i want to is it successful in this model ??? btw its manual transmission. I got it in 1265K is it good price, its totally geniune and in black colour, only 2 things missing which i mention earlier. Dont have the owner manual as well.

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    Congratulation on ur new purchase,sir.i hope u ll enjoy it more then ur last car

    the intake manifold can be bought easily but im afraid it ll be a bit expansive.u can guess the cost from the fact that civic 2001's intake manifold was for 14k PKR some time ago.but u can get it easily from any honda 3s dealer or may be even from open market.
    The bar that u are talking about is the fuel economy meter.ur cars' display screen shows 2 types of fuel averages.one of the is the "Spontaneous" average.This is shown by the bar.This bar is always on the move, as u press the throttle/accelerate the car ,this bar reduces its length, showing that u are covering less KMs in 1 ltr fuel and as u release the accelerator (engine speed decreases) the bar extends itself towards right, showing a positive change in the fuel economy.

    Exactly below it will be some numbers, showing the rear average of the distance covered.
    u can reset it keeping the button pressed for 1second.then, when u drive ur car, it will calculate the average kms/ltr and will show a relatively stable figure.in short, the bar is for u to get used to optimum fuel economy (try to push it as much to the right as u can, for max economy) and the figure below it is the actual fuel average.
    Hope u got the working

    CNG is 100% successful in this city.my mechanic and friends (owner of new city) say its better on cng then its predecessor,the idsi.
    for tuning, look into the main post of this thread.u r car is on petrol, that means it needs very less tuning compared to cng ones.
    a tip for max fuel economy, try to shift gears before 2500rpm if u want max economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    @Ahmadbilla

    What average you are getting per cylinder in city wity AC on and on long
    around 130-140km with a/c in local driving.
    around 160-175km with a/c on highways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    Sharin a moment.....was searching for ways to clean the cat, when came across a foreign blogger from spain who claimed if it really wasnt near death, a citric acid solution with water can clean up the cat upto 90%. As i was readin the blog a fellow pwer startin textin an when i told him of my study, he came up with a novel idea. Hats off to Pakistani ishtyle of doing things, the honourable gentleman said"rent a car in good condition of yer model, an change it`s cat with yours!" His answer kept me amused for a long time. Sudhar jao bhai!!!!!
    hahahhaahaha.... Pakistani qoum koe na koe hal dhond he leti hy

    btw, i was thinking there SHOULD be some chemicals that can wash the CAT.i mean, u need to know the chemistry involved (i failed all chemistry exams so i cant guess ) n i think there can be some way to clean the CAT.citric acid solutions seems to be a possible solution, so who here is gonna try it ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by constantine View Post
    asslam-o-alikum

    first if all i want to say there are many true lovers of city here
    who hve deep knowledge about this ride.
    .
    so guys i want your suggestion.
    i am planing to buy new city 2011 model.
    the basic purpose of this car is as a daily drive for me from home to university
    which makes a total distanccee of 60 kms.
    so also planing to install CNG in it.
    .

    so guys cons nd prons of this model of city.

    hope u will help
    regards
    Sir, trust me,Honda city is "The best" car for this purpose.its light,nimble and fast.a friend goes from rwp to isb daily on his city for the past 1 years and hes totally satisfied.
    the only bad point about it is the fact that its a BIT cramped on the inside IF u compare it with the city idsi.but compare it with any other car n its spacious enough.
    CNG is highly successful in it so u dont have to worry about that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    around 130-140km with a/c in local driving.
    around 160-175km with a/c on highways.
    you change gears at what rpm and in how much rs your cylinder gets filled

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolsmart View Post
    AOA
    I bought the city 2004 genuine oil filter for Rs 700, three months ago as i planned to use shell ultra 5W-40 (expensive).
    Its the same gaurd filter except with honda logo printed on it. so for logo
    i have to pay 3-400 Rs.
    im not sure if its the same or not.what i ve been TOLD by Honda guys (not that i trust them,but they may be right) is that this is imported oil filter, from thailand or japan i guess.before 2007, the cost of oil filter used to be 120rs which was suddenly changed to 400rs.thats when i inquired and got the answer that earlier one was guard but this one is imported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    you change gears at what rpm and in how much rs your cylinder gets filled
    First things first, my car is tuned well.no issues/imperfections regarding the engine whatsoever.

    I drive very softly in city usually, shifting below 3000rpm mostly but at time i do get aggressive and push it above 4000.u can say, 70% soft. 30% hard.

    on highways, i shift at 3000-3500rpm and then keep driving at 3600rpm (120km/h) on motorway.
    1 cylinder of gas is filled for around 500rs.usually, 440-460rs. 9kg gas approximately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    you change gears at what rpm and in how much rs your cylinder gets filled
    First things first, my car is tuned well.no issues/imperfections regarding the engine whatsoever.

    I drive very softly in city usually, shifting below 3000rpm mostly but at time i do get aggressive and push it above 4000.u can say, 70% soft. 30% hard.

    on highways, i shift at 3000-3500rpm and then keep driving at 3600rpm (120km/h) on motorway.
    1 cylinder of gas is filled for around 500rs.usually, 440-460rs. 9kg gas approximately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by murtazee View Post
    Ahmad bhai how much all this process cost u? and which brand of plates and pressure and bearing u replaced with and howz results?
    Bro clutch bearing and clutch plate costed me 5000rs.labour 3000rs.
    clutch plate was of F.C.C , dont remember the brand of bearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Congratulation on ur new purchase,sir.i hope u ll enjoy it more then ur last car

    the intake manifold can be bought easily but im afraid it ll be a bit expansive.u can guess the cost from the fact that civic 2001's intake manifold was for 14k PKR some time ago.but u can get it easily from any honda 3s dealer or may be even from open market.
    The bar that u are talking about is the fuel economy meter.ur cars' display screen shows 2 types of fuel averages.one of the is the "Spontaneous" average.This is shown by the bar.This bar is always on the move, as u press the throttle/accelerate the car ,this bar reduces its length, showing that u are covering less KMs in 1 ltr fuel and as u release the accelerator (engine speed decreases) the bar extends itself towards right, showing a positive change in the fuel economy.

    Exactly below it will be some numbers, showing the rear average of the distance covered.
    u can reset it keeping the button pressed for 1second.then, when u drive ur car, it will calculate the average kms/ltr and will show a relatively stable figure.in short, the bar is for u to get used to optimum fuel economy (try to push it as much to the right as u can, for max economy) and the figure below it is the actual fuel average.
    Hope u got the working

    CNG is 100% successful in this city.my mechanic and friends (owner of new city) say its better on cng then its predecessor,the idsi.
    for tuning, look into the main post of this thread.u r car is on petrol, that means it needs very less tuning compared to cng ones.
    a tip for max fuel economy, try to shift gears before 2500rpm if u want max economy.
    @Ahmed
    I really appriciate your detailed reply, Thanks for that and yes I understand the ODO meter now after 2 day driving, getting 13.9KM/L I am not an aggressive driver so always put light foot on the throttle.

    about the intake mainfold, should I try chah sultan or gwalmandi, any chance of getting these things from there, I think they will be cheap if they are available there.
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    Dear PWs,
    I am on a trip from Karachi to Lahore on my City 2011(MT). All stock, now 5K on odo. I was expecting good fuel economy on long routes but all i am getting is around 13-14 KM/L (on AC). Plus pick of the car gives feeling of running a CNG car as i need to push pedal real down get desired power/acceleration. Got 5K routine done; told them about pick issue but Honda ppl said tuning is ok. However, I am not enjoying the power and pick.

    I will appreciate if any PWs can suggest any thing!!!! Is the consumption ok? do i need to get the tuning checked? Any experts in Lahore, as I am in lahore now a days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    im not sure if its the same or not.what i ve been TOLD by Honda guys (not that i trust them,but they may be right) is that this is imported oil filter, from thailand or japan i guess.before 2007, the cost of oil filter used to be 120rs which was suddenly changed to 400rs.thats when i inquired and got the answer that earlier one was guard but this one is imported.


    Bro these filters are imported, personal witness to that, working in a accounting firm, have on our client panel a Honda facility out of Lahore. Now whenever i go there for audit an stuff an i usually have the juniors crunching numbers whereas i`m wandering around the premesis an oggling around. The stuff is genuinely imported, the have the freight receipts for it, goods inward receipt, port clearence certs an stuff. The filters are good for 10k, and now on my recent oil change were worth Rs.700 somthing....

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