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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tayyabchaudhary View Post
    Today I drove my friend's New Honda City.
    What an awesome car it is.
    I liked the drive and the suspension.
    Moreover,it was fun to drive.The steering really gives you a sporty feel.

    Only one thing that I don't like was the quality of plastic.
    yup... new city is a great car! i tried one today, too!
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    So guys, today i got my hands on a close friend's new honda city (a guy who does'nt mind me doing anything with his car )
    i checked it for two different things.

    1) Fuel economy
    2) Acceleration

    The car had 18,000kms+ with 185 sized tires and is totally driven on petrol.at the time i tested.there were only two people in the car.
    A few people complained that their cars are giving more then 11-12km/ltr and that the acceleration is pathetic (a guy from islamabad claimed that he can bet a million on the fact that it cannot drive up to peer sohawa (margalla hills)

    anyways, i pushed it hard, touched 150km/h in a 1km stretch and then on a different road, 180km/h on almost 2kms long road.i couldnt make a video as i had no good quality cam but acceleration was excellent!

    Then, i tried some fuel economy runs, did some super economy runs and a few kms of normal and then few kms of harsh driving!
    the instantaneous average was:-

    above 20km/ltr for super economy run
    above 16km/ltr with normal, city driving
    and 11-13km/ltr with 'padel to the metal' (even when i was doing 171km/h with 6100 RPM)

    The "Real" average, which is shown in figures just below the bar, showed the following readings

    upto 23.8km/ltr in super economy driving (doing 40km/h in 5th, cruising)
    around 17.5km/ltr in normal driving conditions in city
    almost 12km/ltr with padel down

    so , do any of u think these figures are not upto the mark or surprising?

    (gonna post pix as proof in next post)
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    1st pic

    171km/h, rpm at around 6100RPM and fuel average bar at around 12km/ltr

    note the RPM positions,speed and fuel economy bar.also note that the accelerator is PRESSED because if if its, the spontaneous fuel economy bar shoots upto 40km/ltr (because u are gliding without engine power)

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    This is how the bar shoots upto 40km/ltr when accelerator is not being pressed!

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    YouTube - ‪Tracker demonstration (Honda City 2010)‬‏

    Also made this low quality video from my mobile fone, just to show the basics of a tracker system.
    This system also sends an sms on the owners mobile number everytime the engine is turned on!
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    and oh! i forgot to mention that all of those mileage shots were WITH a/c
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    Anyone know which plugs comes preinstalled in 5th gen City (09 onwards) and should one go for change of plugs or not in this car? If yes; recommend some to reduce the knocking issues in lower gear in sudden stops scenarios...

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    Quote Originally Posted by khurram_aziz View Post
    Anyone know which plugs comes preinstalled in 5th gen City (09 onwards) and should one go for change of plugs or not in this car? If yes; recommend some to reduce the knocking issues in lower gear in sudden stops scenarios...
    if ur car is 2009 or 2010, get the ECU of ur car reprogrammed. note that Honda guys are reprogramming all cars prior to 2011 delivery free of cost, there were a lot of complains of knocking.

    another way is to use high octane fuel, 50/50 ratio of hi octane and super petrol.after driving for a few kms on this mixed fuel, knocking shall disappear/ reduce considerably.
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    Ahmad, got a tehcie sawal for you today, My 07 city has just been witnessed my latest khurak...(a diy that i will surely post)an intake system, the pipe i got with it doesnt have an opening for the vacum pipe thingy. I`ve placed a breather filter on the vacumm pipe or what ever it is,(the iron pipe that goes into the back half of the air box)After installation i noticed tht car does dhamals in low rpm pick up. Almost like knocking, it`s fine otherwise.....era ki illaj karye ustad??

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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    i noticed tht car does dhamals in low rpm pick up. Almost like knocking, it`s fine otherwise.....era ki illaj karye ustad??
    lolz
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    Aaaj ka dosra sawal aap ki khidmet mai pesh hai, these days my pyari gari is havin trouble giving consistent mileage readings. Now i have improved on my "Thand" theory which states" for each an every car zooming past you, you do not floor your throttle" but still it`s ranging from 10ish to 15ish on intercity routes with thand wali machime on at all times..Oh an while you`re at it, this little info might help you.....very very proudly or rather sharmindafyingly, my rides never been tuned. Engine is all kunwara, the original plugs were replaced at 82k with bosch four tips, oil, oil + air filters are replaced regularly. Meray nakis ilm kay mutabiq, the solutions I thought of were tappet adjustment an throttle body cleaning. App ki taleem kay mutabiq ki kerye?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    if ur car is 2009 or 2010, get the ECU of ur car reprogrammed. note that Honda guys are reprogramming all cars prior to 2011 delivery free of cost, there were a lot of complains of knocking.

    another way is to use high octane fuel, 50/50 ratio of hi octane and super petrol.after driving for a few kms on this mixed fuel, knocking shall disappear/ reduce considerably.
    Alhamdulillah the unit I kept had very little such issue that got resolved soon by using better lubricant. I used Helix Ultra and then I guess they updated the ECU too. Actually back then I asked Atlas dealer engineer (who is good BTW) about changing plugs etc that he refused saying that it already comes with very high end plugs and if I change them I will rather be demaging its engine.

    Now seeing people suggesting to try changing plugs makes me curious what good it will make and what kind of plugs this new City comes factory fitted. Thats why I asked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    Aaaj ka dosra sawal aap ki khidmet mai pesh hai, these days my pyari gari is havin trouble giving consistent mileage readings. Now i have improved on my "Thand" theory which states" for each an every car zooming past you, you do not floor your throttle" but still it`s ranging from 10ish to 15ish on intercity routes with thand wali machime on at all times..Oh an while you`re at it, this little info might help you.....very very proudly or rather sharmindafyingly, my rides never been tuned. Engine is all kunwara, the original plugs were replaced at 82k with bosch four tips, oil, oil + air filters are replaced regularly. Meray nakis ilm kay mutabiq, the solutions I thought of were tappet adjustment an throttle body cleaning. App ki taleem kay mutabiq ki kerye?
    ahmedbila seems to b bzy today.
    waisay how could u survive 82k kms in pk in this environment w/o any tuneups?
    i max gone to 20k, the car was still perfectly going but i get it tunned throttle and tappet adjustemnts done. which end up from perfect drive to check light car and lowered the milage per cylinder and lowered the power too.
    go with tappet adjustment an throttle body cleaning
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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    Ahmad, got a tehcie sawal for you today, My 07 city has just been witnessed my latest khurak...(a diy that i will surely post)an intake system, the pipe i got with it doesnt have an opening for the vacum pipe thingy. I`ve placed a breather filter on the vacumm pipe or what ever it is,(the iron pipe that goes into the back half of the air box)After installation i noticed tht car does dhamals in low rpm pick up. Almost like knocking, it`s fine otherwise.....era ki illaj karye ustad??
    hehehehe.... dhamaal im gonna take it as rpm fluctuations well, i dont have any experience with the modifications on idsi (i ve rarely seen an idsi with modified engine) but i guess this is because now the breather pipe lacks back pressure.i think u shud get a hole drilled in the intake pipe and attach that breather to the intake, i.e. the place where it is supposed to be as stock. this shud solve the issue.
    and oh, do post pix
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    sorry for late reply brothers, i ve got my paper tomorrow so i was busy with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by vague_one View Post
    Aaaj ka dosra sawal aap ki khidmet mai pesh hai, these days my pyari gari is havin trouble giving consistent mileage readings. Now i have improved on my "Thand" theory which states" for each an every car zooming past you, you do not floor your throttle" but still it`s ranging from 10ish to 15ish on intercity routes with thand wali machime on at all times..Oh an while you`re at it, this little info might help you.....very very proudly or rather sharmindafyingly, my rides never been tuned. Engine is all kunwara, the original plugs were replaced at 82k with bosch four tips, oil, oil + air filters are replaced regularly. Meray nakis ilm kay mutabiq, the solutions I thought of were tappet adjustment an throttle body cleaning. App ki taleem kay mutabiq ki kerye?
    he he he... no tuning for sooo long ur car needs it badly! tappets, throttle body service, plugs, air filter etc! aap ka naaqis ilam or hamari talleeem barabar hy sarkaar
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    Dear Friends,

    can somebody plz tell me if i should buy a honda city 2005 or honda civic 2002?

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    anybody wants to sell 2008 manual city kindly contact me at kashansaleh@hotmail.com or 03332314447

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    if u r looking for economy go for honda city
    and if money no prob and needs extra comforts then go for honda civic
    but due to hike of petrolium prices and its model is concern, i think u shud stick with city less old will provide u to save some bucks.
    if civic is in awsom condition go for it.
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    @ ahmadbila

    thx for posting ur test run,,, my April 11 city is giving 10-10.5 km/l in city and around 16.5 on highway and ac is always on.. as far as the pick is it had a bit lag before but now around 5k driven the low rpm torque has improved, no knocking issue so far driven totally on normal petrol,,, its a treat highways and hills as well,, specially on highway when alot of Cow-Rollas comes behind you asking for a pass.... i let them pass and then show them what a Tin Box they have bought,,,, they just cant keep up... the only issue i have is that many ppl claim mileages close to what you posted but mine is a bit short of it even after the 5k mark... aside from overtaking rollas on highway i drive in economy mode between 1700-2700 rpm i know iam a bit above the super economy mark but i dont wana screw my crank for that,,,,,
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