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    Can you people help me should I install CNG in my Civic i-Vtec Prosmatec 2008 model? The car is great but my petrol expense is way over the top due to high running that I have to do daily. I'd really appreciate feedback of civic owners who have installed CNG in their car. Does it gives problems on automatic gear civic cars?

    I searched a lot on this forum but there's no relevant topic I could find on performance of CNG in automatic Civics. I heard CNG in city vario doesnt work, but some people have suggested me that CNG works fine in civic.

    Appreciate your feedback....


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    There wont be any problem, just remeber to get the best equipment n installer. If you need some assistance do call me at 0321-9243453

    PS: I have already installed CNG in my Prosmatic 2005, and have seen installing in reborn, works quite fine. Just need to take care of your vehicle a little more, like you must start your car on petrol and run it up to 2Km on Petrol in the morning(or anytime you start it first). Same for the night when you are going to park your car. This wont lead your engine to be dry on idle state and keep your car's pick smooth.

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    Thanks man. Does your car knocks/jerks when AC is turned on for long in CNG? any issues with car pickup? And what is the fuel average on CNG?

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    Not a single problem so far, fuel average depends on so many things. I am getting around 90-95Km per tang (55kg cylinder) as I dont use to drive over n above 3K rmp. This averge is entirely with AC on.

    But expect a little less, lets say around 80-85km as reborn is after all 1800cc.

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    Yaar ill recommend u to buy some santro or second hand cultus for your daily running. keep your civic on petrol and use it for long drives or occasions. Dont spoil your car.
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    @liberalkid for how much does ur cng cylinder get filled for and how much does it cost your per KM on CNG?
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    Quote Originally Posted by airomerix View Post
    Yaar ill recommend u to buy some santro or second hand cultus for your daily running. keep your civic on petrol and use it for long drives or occasions. Dont spoil your car.

    I can't agree more! If you can afford a 1.8 million PKR vehicle; you should afford patrol as well - or buy a low end vehicle for daily use.

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    That's not a good logic. There's not much relation between affording a civic and affording petrol costs. Buying a civic is not exactly an expense, it's more like an investment, something you will recover later on when u'll ultimately sell the car, albeit at a discount to the purchase price. However, spending money on petrol is a direct expense, something you can really save.

    If CNG can cut my monthly fuel expense to half (as compared to petrol), then roughly I can save 10,000 Rupees per month, which is a lot of money to waste every month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zunny View Post
    @liberalkid for how much does ur cng cylinder get filled for and how much does it cost your per KM on CNG?
    Cylinder is 55kg so it goes up to Rs.425 and it gives around 90-95km with AC within city depending on the traffic situation. Based on the facts the average milage is around Rs.4.5 to 4.8 per km

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    Dear dont only consider petrol / CNG cost.
    you will also have to consider upfront cost of cng installation i am sure its going to be around 60k.
    secondly CNG will ultimately ruin your engine and other parts more earlier than petrol drive so eventually you will end up paying more than you will think you will save.
    still if your running is high go for it, but then dont expect too much from your car.
    & yes make sure you install all required & good quality gadgets like good quality advancer / emulator lamda(something like that) for oxygen etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liberalkid View Post
    Cylinder is 55kg so it goes up to Rs.425 and it gives around 90-95km with AC within city depending on the traffic situation. Based on the facts the average milage is around Rs.4.5 to 4.8 per km

    Best regards / Asif
    That's great mileage. Right now my car gives Rs. 7km per litre within city traffic. At current petrol cost of Rs. 73/litre, Im paying Rs. 10.4 per km. Even at 8 km per litre, it's Rs. 9.1 /km.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irfansiddique View Post
    Dear dont only consider petrol / CNG cost.
    you will also have to consider upfront cost of cng installation i am sure its going to be around 60k.
    secondly CNG will ultimately ruin your engine and other parts more earlier than petrol drive so eventually you will end up paying more than you will think you will save.
    still if your running is high go for it, but then dont expect too much from your car.
    & yes make sure you install all required & good quality gadgets like good quality advancer / emulator lamda(something like that) for oxygen etc.
    I'm not much bothered about cost of CNG installation either as again it's not really an expense, an add-on, which I can recover if i sell the CNG kit in market or use it in other cars.

    But yes my main concern is possible problems in running, of course engine and drive quality will deteriorate with CNG, but how much? If drive remains trouble free, like no knocking etc. then i'm gonna go with it.

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    if this is what ur point is then get it installed from good cng place and i am sure you wont even find a bit difference. things are quite advance now.

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    Go 4 it no problem in prosmetic auto gear shift system. In all cars in which u feel a slight jerk at change of gear(Down shift or up shift) they can support CNG.

    U wud have no prob. and as told go 4 a gud kit, dont try 2 save bucks over cheaper kits or mechanics.

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    I use my oriel prosmatec on long routes n costs me around Rs 5.75 to Rs 6/km. For daily use i use alto on CNG. so if it costs around the 5 rs mark then saving Rs 1 /km in my opinion aint worth all the assosiated problems.but IMO if its ur daily drive then go 4 the CNG in it.
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    1. CNG ruining engine is a complete myth. Dont believe any such thing. I used to have my Prosmatec 2004 on CNG and the switch was not EFI.

    2. I recommend do not worry how you start and how you stop. Wont make any difference at all. So this is a myth as well. Somethings are done without logic. It becomes a convention without logic and people are just scared to go against conventions. Being an engineer myself I tell you your car wont get hurt with CNG and do not worry a lot.

    3. The third myth in this regard is the mileage associated with prosmatecs. My prosmatec with no shift to petrol ever (as it did not have Efi switch) used to be around 110 - 120 km, with CNG. Around 180 on motorways with full time AC. No lambda system installed. However, the driving is in Islamabad.

    4. However, I do agree that get the best of equipment from the market.

    5. I fully recommend you to convert to CNG and save all the money you can. You can use that money to help the needy in your family which carries far more value associated with spending money then merely burning them on burning petrol.

    6. CAUTION: However, the picture is not that all rosy. If you get a bad tuning you can end up doing 70 - 80 km per cylinder and that is what most of prosmatec owners get and think this is the norm with this car. Unfortunate people! You will need to do some experimentation with your tuning before you get the optimum tuning setting.

    7. When you get the most optimum tuning setting, your car with have the best pick, best ac performance etc. Again it is a myth that if you open more gas you get good pick. REMEMBER: only best tuning makes your car the best in every aspect. Even mileage! Another myth busted. People used to ask me whether I am driving on petrol when they used to see the performance!

    8. Now I keep a city, manual. Without lambda etc it gives me around 170+ on a 55Kg cylinder. Often I get it 200+ on one cylinder even with AC. Tell me if I get this from a 1300 cc car without VTEC engine, how much difference should 300 additionaly cc and VTEC (which is positive) should add. Should you get 80 - 90 km per cylinder for this! I acknowledge that now I live a little in the suburbs and the driving is a mix of city and highway but the prosmatec figures were all when I used to live in the mid of the city!

    Best of luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khurem View Post
    That's great mileage. Right now my car gives Rs. 7km per litre within city traffic. At current petrol cost of Rs. 73/litre, Im paying Rs. 10.4 per km. Even at 8 km per litre, it's Rs. 9.1 /km.
    Well. This is way too much. My Exi 2006 manual gives Rs. 5/km average and I would never ever think of letting it run on CNG. I agree to the point that it will definitely ruin the engine in long run. I also agree with the suggestion that you may get a small car for frequent usage and keep your civic for occasional long runs. peace.

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    I feel so sorry. =(
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    Quote Originally Posted by x2 View Post
    1. CNG ruining engine is a complete myth. Dont believe any such thing. I used to have my Prosmatec 2004 on CNG and the switch was not EFI.

    2. I recommend do not worry how you start and how you stop. Wont make any difference at all. So this is a myth as well. Somethings are done without logic. It becomes a convention without logic and people are just scared to go against conventions. Being an engineer myself I tell you your car wont get hurt with CNG and do not worry a lot.

    3. The third myth in this regard is the mileage associated with prosmatecs. My prosmatec with no shift to petrol ever (as it did not have Efi switch) used to be around 110 - 120 km, with CNG. Around 180 on motorways with full time AC. No lambda system installed. However, the driving is in Islamabad.

    4. However, I do agree that get the best of equipment from the market.

    5. I fully recommend you to convert to CNG and save all the money you can. You can use that money to help the needy in your family which carries far more value associated with spending money then merely burning them on burning petrol.

    6. CAUTION: However, the picture is not that all rosy. If you get a bad tuning you can end up doing 70 - 80 km per cylinder and that is what most of prosmatec owners get and think this is the norm with this car. Unfortunate people! You will need to do some experimentation with your tuning before you get the optimum tuning setting.

    7. When you get the most optimum tuning setting, your car with have the best pick, best ac performance etc. Again it is a myth that if you open more gas you get good pick. REMEMBER: only best tuning makes your car the best in every aspect. Even mileage! Another myth busted. People used to ask me whether I am driving on petrol when they used to see the performance!

    8. Now I keep a city, manual. Without lambda etc it gives me around 170+ on a 55Kg cylinder. Often I get it 200+ on one cylinder even with AC. Tell me if I get this from a 1300 cc car without VTEC engine, how much difference should 300 additionaly cc and VTEC (which is positive) should add. Should you get 80 - 90 km per cylinder for this! I acknowledge that now I live a little in the suburbs and the driving is a mix of city and highway but the prosmatec figures were all when I used to live in the mid of the city!

    Best of luck.
    Thanks man. That was of good help. But how can one ensure that the optimum tuning is made on the car? How and where to get it done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani80pk View Post
    Well. This is way too much. My Exi 2006 manual gives Rs. 5/km average and I would never ever think of letting it run on CNG. I agree to the point that it will definitely ruin the engine in long run. I also agree with the suggestion that you may get a small car for frequent usage and keep your civic for occasional long runs. peace.
    With Rs. 5/Km at Rs. 73 per litre, it means ur civic is giving 14.6 km/litre?That's great mileage on petrol! Im not so fortunate as my civic mileage is half of that

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