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    Default Honda Civic 9th Gen Fan Club (2013)

    Salam,

    As we just recently bought a Civic 9th Gen (2013) shape and could not find its fan Club on Pakwheels.

    So making one, all who own this car or want to own one are allowed to share their views, problems, pics etc of their car.

    All the owners of this Latest model should share pics of their car and their views.


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    thnx bro, will do it in the evening and update the forum .

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    Quote Originally Posted by umair2203 View Post
    GPS is erratic .. intentional error is included my friend in GPS triangulation by the country which own the GPS satellites. So the GPS band which the mango man use has an error margin in position, velocity etc

    Only US ARMY , HAWK EYE, PREDATOR, HIGH ALTITUDE PRECISION TARGETING AIRCRAFTS OPERATED BY US , Airforce One ( President's plane ) , their ships , submarines operate in a different GPS band with a peak error of 3-5m in position ... no wonder they can pin point anything, anybody, anytime ... just so you know ;-)

    I wont comment about the speedo error because I don't know but have read and experienced GPS extensively

    The same reason why GPS is not a preferred nav aid ( it is always the last back up )

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    I was talking about the GPS based speedometer and not the location accuracy. I have just read 2-3 articles which suggests that GPS based speed is fairly accurate with error margin of only 0.1 to 0.5 MPH.

    How accurate is a GPS-based speedometer? | GPS Systems
    How Accurate Is the MPH Speed on a GPS? | Tech Channel - RadioShack

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    Quote Originally Posted by centos View Post
    I am glad that your brought that up. I have an interesting story to share. But before that I want to explain the difference on the speed dial and GPS.

    The GPS gives you the correct speed at which you are travelling. Car manufactures add a room for error into the speed dial, they make it to work like that. They add 5-7km to the actual speed. It has to do with the speeding laws in 1st world countries. Often times on the manual speed dials its hard to figure out if you are travelling at 100km or 105km. So even if a person occidentally goes above the speed limit marginally, he doesn't actually go over the speed limit.

    So thats what I believed for a while. But then I read this.

    “Normal wear and underinflation reduce the diameter of the tire, causing it to spin faster and produce an artificially high reading,” writes Frank Marcus. “Overinflation or oversize tires slow down the speedometer.”

    The difference between actual speed and the speed dial tends to get noticed more with German cars because their speedometers are designed to never report a speed lower than actual speed. European law (ECE-R39) says speedometers cannot show speeds less than the actual speed, and they must never show more than the 110 per cent of actual speed plus 4 km/h. So, under those rules, a car could be moving at 100 km/h, but the speedometer could legally display as high as 114 km/h.

    But, generally, most speedometers exaggerate speeds, says Wall Street Journal columnist Jonathan Welsh. “Industry officials have said speedometers are set ‘optimistically’ to give drivers an inflated sense of speed (and help them avoid tickets).” Welsh says. “GPS devices record distance over time without the effects of mechanical variables and thus tend to be more accurate.”

    So here is the story. I was travelling on ring road few weeks ago. My car speed dial was showing 110KM/H but the speed limit is 100KM/H. Here is the interesting thing. According to my GPS when my car show 110KM/H, its actually travelling at 104KM/H.

    So anyway, I got pulled over by the ring road police for speeding. I argued that even if I was over speeding, I wasnt doing it more than 3-5KM/H. In Australia, they dont bother even pulling you over for such a small difference considering the margin of error on the speed guns. But then Police guy went on to show me the video of my car coming down the road. It was about 5-10 sec clip and showed a consistent speed of 110KM/H. I argued that this speed gun needs calibration and there is no way I was driving at 110KM/H. Realizing its not their fault and they cant do much about it really, and they are just doing their job. I signed the ticket and paid it later.

    But the fact that they have the same fine for every one and it does not matter if you are going 5km over the speed limit or 100km you get to pay the same amount of fine. Rs.500. lol I am not even mad, this is great.

    I am not going to bother any more and just drive at 150KM/H.... what the hell, makes no difference!

    PS. duhh... Sarcasm intended
    Your cars meter was shoing 110km/h, the speed cam showed 110 km/h. So isnt this enough to conclude the gps is not showing accurate speed?

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    can anyone please tell me registration cost of new civic all variants manual/prosmatic vti oreal/hardtop

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    Quote Originally Posted by z0haib View Post
    can anyone please tell me registration cost of new civic all variants manual/prosmatic vti oreal/hardtop
    130k.

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    [QUOTE=Bilalicious;4344174]130k.

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    Does all variants have same registration cost?

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    [QUOTE=z0haib;4344184]
    Quote Originally Posted by Bilalicious View Post
    130k.

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    Does all variants have same registration cost?
    No its depend on the invoice, some percentage of total invoice is included in registration cost.
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    [QUOTE=munawar01;4344451]
    Quote Originally Posted by z0haib View Post

    No its depend on the invoice, some percentage of total invoice is included in registration cost.
    I don't think so:

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    Quote Originally Posted by centos View Post
    I was talking about the GPS based speedometer and not the location accuracy. I have just read 2-3 articles which suggests that GPS based speed is fairly accurate with error margin of only 0.1 to 0.5 MPH.

    How accurate is a GPS-based speedometer? | GPS Systems
    How Accurate Is the MPH Speed on a GPS? | Tech Channel - RadioShack
    Error is exactly the difference between the speedo and Nav Unit reading ... GPS does not sends velocity .. it sends a time tag and satellite's relative position to earth's orbit .... you need 3 satellites at least for triangulation.... parameters like velocity is just derivative of the position and derivative of velocity is acceleration .. I can go in to the maths too but I think that will be little off the topic .... error in position leads to the error in calculation of other parameters

    If your stock tyre profile is not changed then speedo reading is more accurate
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    [QUOTE=munawar01;4344451]
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    No its depend on the invoice, some percentage of total invoice is included in registration cost.
    exactly ... you are right ... city and corolla are both 1300 cc but Corolla Gli reg is little expensive coz of higher invoice
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    [QUOTE=Bilalicious;4344468]
    Quote Originally Posted by munawar01 View Post
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    2% of invoice + ALOT of tax
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    Quote Originally Posted by umair2203 View Post
    Error is exactly the difference between the speedo and Nav Unit reading ... GPS does not sends velocity .. it sends a time tag and satellite's relative position to earth's orbit .... you need 3 satellites at least for triangulation.... parameters like velocity is just derivative of the position and derivative of velocity is acceleration .. I can go in to the maths too but I think that will be little off the topic .... error in position leads to the error in calculation of other parameters

    If your stock tyre profile is not changed then speedo reading is more accurate
    What about the iMiD, it should show average speed 120 kml/hr but it shows exactly same as GPS is showing.
    Also curious if its the same case for all 9th Gen (local) or its just me
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    Quote Originally Posted by munawar01 View Post
    What about the iMiD, it should show average speed 120 kml/hr but it shows exactly same as GPS is showing.
    Also curious if its the same case for all 9th Gen (local) or its just me
    when did you reset the IMID reading ? time it took from 0 to 120 kph is included too , right ??!

    and you are not the only one .. it was similar in my 8th gen and then 9th gen and city also ... no worries
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    Quote Originally Posted by umair2203 View Post
    when did you reset the IMID reading ? time it took from 0 to 120 kph is included too , right ??!

    and you are not the only one .. it was similar in my 8th gen and then 9th gen and city also ... no worries
    I started new trip when i was already at 120 kml/hr, and average speed start from 113 kml/hr and remain same for around next hour (CC was set on 120)
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    Quote Originally Posted by munawar01 View Post
    I started new trip when i was already at 120 kml/hr, and average speed start from 113 kml/hr and remain same for around next hour (CC was set on 120)
    This is new then coz imid has nothing to do with GPS ... all readings are ecu based

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    Quote Originally Posted by umair2203 View Post
    Error is exactly the difference between the speedo and Nav Unit reading ... GPS does not sends velocity .. it sends a time tag and satellite's relative position to earth's orbit .... you need 3 satellites at least for triangulation.... parameters like velocity is just derivative of the position and derivative of velocity is acceleration .. I can go in to the maths too but I think that will be little off the topic .... error in position leads to the error in calculation of other parameters

    If your stock tyre profile is not changed then speedo reading is more accurate
    So you are suggesting that the speed at the cars meter is accurate and GPS is wrong. I dont know, I see articles after articles suggesting the GPS speedometer show a very accurate figure, and cars speedo meter are supposed to show you extra speeds of upto 114% in some cases.

    I want add that speed at the Cars Nav speedometer is exactly that same as measured by the GPS speedometers of two different Nokia phones, N95 and E71.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corollarules View Post
    Your cars meter was shoing 110km/h, the speed cam showed 110 km/h. So isnt this enough to conclude the gps is not showing accurate speed?
    No sir, this is just a coincident. I have reasons to believe that the GPS is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by centos View Post
    No sir, this is just a coincident. I have reasons to believe that the GPS is correct.
    Well my personal experience with gps is that its speed estimation varies from device to device. My nokia N95 used to coincide with the toyota gli's meter. The rock mars unit used to vary from 10-15 kmh from the altis meter. Now the honda civics navigation unit varies by 1km/h on speeds less than 80km/h and by 10km/h on speeds around 120 km/h. The speed difference is variable on different speeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umair2203 View Post
    This is new then coz imid has nothing to do with GPS ... all readings are ecu based

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    Pardon my ignorance but my I-Mid doest show me average speed ???, Is it because my civic doesn't have Navigation or I am missing any setting in I-Mid ?

    If it is because of Navigation then there must be some link between I-mid and Navi Unit, I can post ref picture if required

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