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    salam , my civic 2002 cat eye (exi prosmatic), "D" started to blink, when car temperature rises (normal temp). i'm confused because it make noise on gear shifting on CNG but not on PETROL ??


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    Makes me feel that these cars were made to be disposable pos

    Similar situation with aisan carburetors, there are access points to remoce the jets without opening the thing up, but then the designer thought he was being too nice and decided to make them inaccessible by covering them with linkages

    No regard for ease of servicing
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    Isn't there a possibility of sucking the old oil out using a vacuum pump like some petrol stations in Pakistan use for engine oil changes ?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    Makes me feel that these cars were made to be disposable pos
    Adding a torque converter drain is expensive business as it requires an equally balanced weight on the other end too - it also means that you need to provide an access hole for it in the bell housing. most FWD torque converters are the space saving style and not perfectly doughnut shaped like proper RWD ones which have ample spacing for placement of a drain plug.

    Americans are the people who invented the automatic trans with torque converter - and they have never provided drains, Nearly all trans jobs I know or see are done with either the cooler dump out first or a huge tub under the transmission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faiz.aslam.121 View Post
    Isn't there a possibility of sucking the old oil out using a vacuum pump like some petrol stations in Pakistan use for engine oil changes ?.

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    you can suck out the ATF from the pan - but I dont think the sucking tube can pass through the oil pump, valve body and into the converter innards itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    Did you change all 6 litres of ATF or just changed the 2.6 that comes out from the little drain plug?
    Just 2.6 ltrs as Honda staff told its enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    Did you change all 6 litres of ATF or just changed the 2.6 that comes out from the little drain plug?
    @Xulfiqar

    Can you please tell me how to drain 6 liters of ATF for my civic 99-00 VTI ORIAL A/T. I bought this car 5 months ago and previous owner was using zic, I think so. But mechanic added only 3.5l of Honda ATF-Z1 by unplugged the drain bolt of transmission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sohailw View Post
    Just 2.6 ltrs as Honda staff told its enough.

    you have a mix plate of ATF in there, what you need to do is to change the entire 6 litres of it, which is done via the cooler lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galant1 View Post
    @Xulfiqar

    Can you please tell me how to drain 6 liters of ATF for my civic 99-00 VTI ORIAL A/T. I bought this car 5 months ago and previous owner was using zic, I think so. But mechanic added only 3.5l of Honda ATF-Z1 by unplugged the drain bolt of transmission.
    to flush out all the ATF, disconnect the return line from the cooler and guide into a bucket, start the engine and drain 2 litres and stop the engine, now add 2 litres to the transmission, start again and collect 2 litres and stop the engine, refill with 2 fresh litres. start again and collect another 2 litres and stop the engine. connect the cooler line back and refill the last 2 litres.

    By the last 2 litres - you will see fresh ATF from the line (use clear line or a white container to see the colour of it)

    You have now changed about 95% of the ATF in there - the rest 5% is stuck in the clutch packs.
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    Any recommendations from where to complete this job? as i asked Honda guys to flush all the oil first and they said this is the only way to flush all the oil by opening the nut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sohailw View Post
    Any recommendations from where to complete this job? as i asked Honda guys to flush all the oil first and they said this is the only way to flush all the oil by opening the nut.

    If they think only a total of 2.6 iitres of ATF is in the transmission - run far far away from that shop. I have given you the procedure above, now find a mechanic who can follow this.
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    @Xulfiqar bhai just to confirm, does CVT transmission (Honda City Steermatic) also requires draining all 6 litres and following the above mentioned procedure?

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    no - the Honda CVT has no torque converter and its cooling channels ATF flow is also regulated. You can flush it that way - it will take longer and waste about 2 litres of CVTF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    you can suck out the ATF from the pan - but I dont think the sucking tube can pass through the oil pump, valve body and into the converter innards itself.
    What about that tiny petrol pipe that run from Fuel tank to Carb. on our bikes, will that fit the diameter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sohailw View Post
    Any recommendations from where to complete this job? as i asked Honda guys to flush all the oil first and they said this is the only way to flush all the oil by opening the nut.
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    Because HONDA doesn't recommend ATF Complete flush. That's why they denied to do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faiz.aslam.121 View Post
    What about that tiny petrol pipe that run from Fuel tank to Carb. on our bikes, will that fit the diameter?

    you cannot get past 0.01mm clearance of the oil pump gears and then you have to somehow make the pipe enter the converter charge port and turn downwards past the turbine, impeller and stator blades.

    Its like you are trying to do angioplasty from the mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galant1 View Post
    @sohailw

    Because HONDA doesn't recommend ATF Complete flush. That's why they denied to do this.
    more properly - because the design engineers for automatic transmission at Honda are smoking weed. Firstly they make a vertical split transmission case and install a tiny strainer in there and then have a total capacity of about 6 litres - which is terrible, proper sedan automatics have a 10 or 12 litre capacity. Then further they dont recommend flushing - at high odometer reading your transmission is a done deal for overhaul.

    In his case the ATF is adulterated with generic dexron clone ATF without the added friction modifiers required by the gearbox. This car needs a full flush.
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    Zulfikar Bhai can I have your number . I need to know something

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