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    Default Honda civic 96 exi self/ignition problem

    AOA dear friends,
    This is my first post on pakwheels and am looking forward for a solution of the problem i have been facing for quite a long time. I own a honda civic 96 exi. Last summer it started giving me a little trouble. The problem is that when the engine is hot i.e runs for 15, 20 kms and then switched off it wont start again. The ignition would drastically drop as if the battery is dead. As the engine gets cold, it would start normally. I didn't take the problem seriously until last week when i had to replace the gasket (which blew due to overheating). There were many many surprises under the hood when the engine block was opened to install a new gasket which i will post some other time. At that time i decided to take care of the starting problem that i was facing. The mechanic did this:
    1- Checked the battery with some meter which showed "ok" report.
    2- Removed the self and the verdict was that it needs replacing as repair would cost more.
    3- A "kabli" self was installed and thumbs up were given (after spending 5 hours)
    4- Happily I drove back home and when parked my car I switched off the engine and tried to switch it back on. The self went down again.
    5- Left the car next day with the mechanic and went back to him in the eve. He told me that after changing 3 or 4 selfs finally he installed the one from automatic transmission engine. Same problem again : cold engine ok start, hot engine no start. Verdict : Replace the battery.
    My question is if battery is the issue then why does the engine start when it's cold?
    I am waiting for expert advice as I'm tired of waiting for at least 2 people on the road to push start my car when the engine is hot.

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    A good battery would recover its charge if left long enough maybe that's why the car starts when cold.check your alternator is charging it's possible the battery is getting drained when the engine is running.Also check all the earth terminal's for contact and breaks make sure they are all secure ...good luck...

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    Judgevt brother, an alternator is?... Today they put an extra earth terminal with engine but no luck...

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    Check the generator for charging ..

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    Bro symptoms u mentioned does not seem good to me. U wrote a little about ur gasket replacement could u plz give us more details that which other parts were replaced?

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    Generator's charging fine...

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    Get tappet adjustment they must get jammed went they are hot as metal contracts when hot
    And check battery grounding (-) cable as well

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    Battery could be culprit ,get it checked thoroughly.You can check it by putting a known good battery temporarily when engine is hot.
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    before shutting down the engine check for battery voltage - it should be at charging voltage - 14.4V..

    When you face this failure try to hot wire the starter - remove the start trigger and connect a heavy wire on it jump it to the battery positive, if the starter cranks the the engine you are good in all aspects and the fault lies in either

    1 - starter trigger wire
    2 - ignition switch.

    Honda ignition switches are not the best design.

    To test for low voltage - get a 55w headlamp bulb and connect the starter trigger to light it up. It should glow very bright when the key is twisted to start. If its yellowed dim then find the fault.

    You can install a relay in the starter circuit to get by as a temporary fix but you will need to find the fault - mostly its the ignition switch.


    If the starter failed to engage even when hot wiring it - then get a jumper cable and connect it to the negative of the battery and a chunk on the gearbox casing and reattempt to start, if you get start then you have bad ground
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    Brothers, Thanks all for the suggestions and replies. I've replaced the battery today and drove enough kms to gain engine temp. To my surprise the car started without any trouble, which I wasn't expecting. I hope the new battery resolves the issue. But I'm not satisfied with the replaced self. The starting sounds just like a diesel self. Any good & honest mechanic in pindi/isb who can understand Honda ?

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    No problem get the self replaced with original one to get genuine sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imranjamilkhan View Post
    Brothers, Thanks all for the suggestions and replies. I've replaced the battery today and drove enough kms to gain engine temp. To my surprise the car started without any trouble, which I wasn't expecting. I hope the new battery resolves the issue. But I'm not satisfied with the replaced self. The starting sounds just like a diesel self. Any good & honest mechanic in pindi/isb who can understand Honda ?

    That diesel sounding starter is the best you can get, its a gear reduction drive starter that has higher torque than direct drive and no bushings etc to wear out. Its extremely long life too and can even start the engine with a weak battery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    That diesel sounding starter is the best you can get, its a gear reduction drive starter that has higher torque than direct drive and no bushings etc to wear out. Its extremely long life too and can even start the engine with a weak battery.
    i simply love the sound of reduction type starter....ching ching ching vrooooom

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    Quote Originally Posted by xenerking View Post
    i simply love the sound of reduction type starter....ching ching ching vrooooom
    nice sound ching ching.... I usually notice a Chak Chak Chak ..Vroooom in my car
    please tell me about Reduction type and other type starter.. and what type of starter is fitted in corolla, Alto and civic??

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    Quote Originally Posted by imranjamilkhan View Post
    The starting sounds just like a diesel self. Any good & honest mechanic in pindi/isb who can understand Honda ?
    I have a 96 Exi as well. The Exi engine uses an electric starter while the Vti came with a gear reduction starter. Which is why the Vti starter sound is different from an Exi. In terms of reliability the gear reduction starter is better. I also had problems with the electric starter in my car, the bushes would wear out frequently. I got it replaced with a gear reduction starter and never had a problem since.
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