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    I have a civic vti which is suffering from over heating. The needle goes up to the redline and stays there if i drive normally but when I decelerate or go down hill the needle come back down( eg when going down hill in the salt range the needle comes back to normal. The engine never had a head job or gasket change. I changed the radiator to double nali desi one some 5 years ago.
    I am getting oil in the radiator as well, burning a plug of one cylinder and oil reduction but the car is still half self start.

    I am going to get some things done this weekend from a mechanic in Faisalabad EId Gah road as he always had figured out problems of my Honda but in a desi way. Had a bad experience with Honda pit stop the couldn't even fit a side view mirror properly . Would have got it done from Lahore but the car cant travel that far now L


    1. Head gasket replacement
    2. A ring and valve seals job depending upon the damage done to the engine
    3. Water body replacement
    4. New timing belt
    5. New radiator
    6. New silencer as the old one may have clogged with oil.


    Any suggestions and information about any other good mechanics will be appreciated.


    DAY 1 : The weather was quite ideal for spending a day at the work shop. The engine was opened up and was taken out for complete over haul.
    After inspecting the cylinders the mechanic said that a simple gasket change will not do the job the block needs work to be done and needs to be taken out or the other option is get it swapped he gave me both options. I gambled with the overhaul.30- 40 k might go down the drain but I am mentally prepared for that. The block was taken to the kharadia. Came back at 3 the mechanic said he will inspect the engine in detail and tell me about the parts to be replaced by tomorrow.


    DAY 2.. Went to buy the parts
    bought will be assembled today by kharadia and again by mechanic tomorrow
    1.Pistons
    2.Rings
    3.Valve set
    4. Clutch Plate
    5.Misc. Bearings
    6.Timing belt
    7.HeadGaskit
    Costed me 22 k.

    Total expenditure till now 22k+4000 khardia+3 for kabli piping and junkyard items=29


    DAY: 3 The engine block is ready and in the Engine bay.The head will be places tomorrow. Got a new water Pump today worth 2400 that makes the total expenditure till now 29000+2400=31400


    DAY: 4 The overhaul was eventually completed today. Got the double Nali DEnSO/HONDA Radiator. A set of belts. Total Spent on the radiator 5000 and belts 600 and some nuts and bolts 200=5800 ,Oil and fluids,coolants 3200, miscellaneous 2000
    The total Spent on Parts 31400+5800+3200=2000=42400+8000 Mechanic Labor=50400 Rs for the engine over haul

    DAY: 5 Today I got the some sounds resolved that were coming from the driver side wheel.
    Got new
    Disc Pads whole set , Goda Boot,steering boot,Chimta bush, Discs Facing,end repair, Ball joint repair,front brake cylinder kabli,break oil
    This wheel job costed Rs 6540.

    Got a new silencer worth 2200, Wheel alignment Rs 150
    Total spent today 6540+2200=150= 8790
    Total Spent during 5 days =50400+8790=RS 59190
    1.Pistons
    2.Rings
    3.Valve set
    4. Clutch Plate
    5.Misc. Bearings
    6.Timing belt
    7.HeadGaskit
    8.water Pump
    9. Ball joint
    10. 3 pump belts belts
    11. Radiator
    12. Pipping
    13.O rings
    14. Break Pads
    15. Silencer
    OVERHAUL COMPLETED Thanks GOD Honda Civic 1997 VTi  Engine Job  ( over heating reducing oil) suggestions - smiley smile I pray that it stays this way . It's the first 5 minutes of running time that can wipe out a new cam. The other 15 minutes is just insurance. Lets see what it does in the future Honda Civic 1997 VTi  Engine Job   over heating reducing oil suggestions -1403440
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    if some thing was wrong it would have been obvious by now in terms of bad milage, lack of power, vibrations,any engine noise kept a eye on it all along for leaks and any thing fishy. I forgot that i had a overhauled Honda when it cruised like the old days on the motorway above 4k rpm with no smell and fear of overheating I know it will not be perfect as a factory fitted engine nor it will have the nano scaled precision that PW members expect from every engine rebuild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by janleva View Post
    dont know about them specifically but the did wash the block , didnt use any sealant for the oil pan used a rubber gaskit.

    the two plugs I circled need to be removed and then the inner bores are scrubbed and powerwashed - you will find a lot of caked up burnt oil in this part - Honda provided this so the mechanic cleans it out when overhauling. The reason I ask is because most mechanics in Pakistan dont have the tool required to open them and cleaning them is very critical.

    the sealant used in the seal carrier and the sump is usually threebond 1208 etc. guaranteed leak free overhaul.

    All such items are available in Pakistan - general mechanics dont know about them, they only care for bathroom grade RTV.
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    there are conflicting opinions about using any sealant while installing the oil sump.
    which can be made obvious from this thread
    http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2905302&page=2
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    the oil pan leaks are mostly due to people tightening them with "poori taaqat" There is a proper and dedicated process to every job.

    firstly make sure the pan is flat - measure on glass, secondly do NOT use general purpose RTV - you are required to use specific engine sealant like threebond 1208, loctite 5800 etc and the bolts are tightened very lightly to about 80 inch/lbs or approximately screwdriver tight.

    No leaks, just like you see that that a new corolla engine does not leak and is pretty to look at too, the mechanic overhauled engine is loaded with red RTV on every joint and still the thing leaks like a sieve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by janleva View Post
    there are conflicting opinions about using any sealant while installing the oil sump.
    which can be made obvious from this thread
    oil pan gasket--RTV or no RTV - Page 2 - Honda-Tech
    I don't understand why they are not using RTV in oil pan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    the oil pan leaks are mostly due to people tightening them with "poori taaqat" There is a proper and dedicated process to every job.
    You are very right. The service manual states that bolts should be finger tight and liquid gasket is only applied to the specified points.

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    the manual also says that only use gasoline ,not CNG but people do :-) ironically
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    All mechanics are not BAD guys. There lively hood depends upon the quality and dependibility of the work they do.One bad job and they may loose a customer or loose their reputation in the market.I am satisfied whatever the mechanic did made my life easier even in a scorching summer 47 c temperatures the car is working perfectly as it should :-) even on long non stop journeys.

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    I am really happy to c ur money n effort is secure.just dnt let it heat up no matter what

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    Quote Originally Posted by hash4u View Post
    I am really happy to c ur money n effort is secure.just dnt let it heat up no matter what

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    :-) i always keep an eye on the needle it stays a little bit below the mid mark all the time i do chek the coolant thrice a week always shocked to see no reduction even in these hot days.

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    Congratulations man, glad your overhaul worked out fine. I'd the same problem, faced the block and used new gasket several times before going for the swap. Didn't overhaul the engine, only gasket changes.

    So this mileage of 14-15 kmpl with AC its on highways or in city? Oh and is yours automatic or manual?

    Also what plugs are you using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by janleva View Post
    the manual also says that only use gasoline ,not CNG but people do :-) ironically

    you could also have used epoxy to seal the engine sump and valve cover, it would work uptil the time you need to open it.
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    a friend own's an old accord with an a18a.

    he complains that the valve cover leaks and he has to use silicone to seal it after getting valves adjusted.

    i know this might be a warped cover but just want to confirm whether this engine needs any sort of sealant under with the new gasket
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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    a friend own's an old accord with an a18a.

    he complains that the valve cover leaks and he has to use silicone to seal it after getting valves adjusted.

    i know this might be a warped cover but just want to confirm whether this engine needs any sort of sealant under with the new gasket
    that honda engine has a rubber gasket and three rubber rings to press the gasket, 4 spots of engine sealant is required - one on each of the half moon corners.

    Make sure the 3 rubber grommet gaskets are good, they actually press on the valve cover to make it seal up.
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    Which sealant, can you name any, please
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    3rd oil change at 8000 kms after overhaul. average ~ 12-14 km/L No leaks, No reduction in oil, No Reduction in coolant ( didnt even top up), No heat ups. Went to Galiyat recently it climbed the hills without hesitation where even new cars were heating up. It was a treat listening to the VTEC reving without out the thought of heating up in the back of my head just like the old days. Pakistani mechanics ROCK ! honda civic 1997 vti  engine job   over heating reducing oil suggestions -1440068
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    Quote Originally Posted by janleva View Post
    3rd oil change at 8000 kms after overhaul. average ~ 12-14 km/L No leaks, No reduction in oil, No Reduction in coolant ( didnt even top up), No heat ups. Went to Galiyat recently it climbed the hills without hesitation where even new cars were heating up. It was a treat listening to the VTEC reving without out the thought of heating up in the back of my head just like the old days. Pakistani mechanics ROCK ! honda civic 1997 vti  engine job   over heating reducing oil suggestions -1440068
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadly_Flame View Post
    Congratulations man, glad your overhaul worked out fine. I'd the same problem, faced the block and used new gasket several times before going for the swap. Didn't overhaul the engine, only gasket changes.

    So this mileage of 14-15 kmpl with AC its on highways or in city? Oh and is yours automatic or manual?

    Also what plugs are you using?

    Regards,
    12 in city 14 on highway with ac when i drive below 90 on the highway i even get 14 plus. I am using NGK plugs. Its a manual

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    Every thing was going well until l i got missing when ever i revved the car hard and it wasnt going above 4k rpm. The car was feeling very rough and under powered. And a humming sound was coming from the engine bay. I expected the worst. Drove like it for a few kms. I was expecting the worst. I just parked the car and thought all my money and effort had gone down the drain. But the next day when i started the car car there was no cranking no lights, no power nothing and the battery was dead. I all ready did the reading about that weird sound in the night. It was the bad alternator that wasn't producing right amount of current. That eventually lead to the discharging of the battery. Then the rains began i just parked the car and didnt use it . Will take it to the mechanic tomorrow.
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    buy a voltmeter and don't leave the workshop unless the alternator produces 14+ volts, the humming could be a bad bearing
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