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    I have a civic vti which is suffering from over heating. The needle goes up to the redline and stays there if i drive normally but when I decelerate or go down hill the needle come back down( eg when going down hill in the salt range the needle comes back to normal. The engine never had a head job or gasket change. I changed the radiator to double nali desi one some 5 years ago.
    I am getting oil in the radiator as well, burning a plug of one cylinder and oil reduction but the car is still half self start.

    I am going to get some things done this weekend from a mechanic in Faisalabad EId Gah road as he always had figured out problems of my Honda but in a desi way. Had a bad experience with Honda pit stop the couldn't even fit a side view mirror properly . Would have got it done from Lahore but the car cant travel that far now L


    1. Head gasket replacement
    2. A ring and valve seals job depending upon the damage done to the engine
    3. Water body replacement
    4. New timing belt
    5. New radiator
    6. New silencer as the old one may have clogged with oil.


    Any suggestions and information about any other good mechanics will be appreciated.


    DAY 1 : The weather was quite ideal for spending a day at the work shop. The engine was opened up and was taken out for complete over haul.
    After inspecting the cylinders the mechanic said that a simple gasket change will not do the job the block needs work to be done and needs to be taken out or the other option is get it swapped he gave me both options. I gambled with the overhaul.30- 40 k might go down the drain but I am mentally prepared for that. The block was taken to the kharadia. Came back at 3 the mechanic said he will inspect the engine in detail and tell me about the parts to be replaced by tomorrow.


    DAY 2.. Went to buy the parts
    bought will be assembled today by kharadia and again by mechanic tomorrow
    1.Pistons
    2.Rings
    3.Valve set
    4. Clutch Plate
    5.Misc. Bearings
    6.Timing belt
    7.HeadGaskit
    Costed me 22 k.

    Total expenditure till now 22k+4000 khardia+3 for kabli piping and junkyard items=29


    DAY: 3 The engine block is ready and in the Engine bay.The head will be places tomorrow. Got a new water Pump today worth 2400 that makes the total expenditure till now 29000+2400=31400


    DAY: 4 The overhaul was eventually completed today. Got the double Nali DEnSO/HONDA Radiator. A set of belts. Total Spent on the radiator 5000 and belts 600 and some nuts and bolts 200=5800 ,Oil and fluids,coolants 3200, miscellaneous 2000
    The total Spent on Parts 31400+5800+3200=2000=42400+8000 Mechanic Labor=50400 Rs for the engine over haul

    DAY: 5 Today I got the some sounds resolved that were coming from the driver side wheel.
    Got new
    Disc Pads whole set , Goda Boot,steering boot,Chimta bush, Discs Facing,end repair, Ball joint repair,front brake cylinder kabli,break oil
    This wheel job costed Rs 6540.

    Got a new silencer worth 2200, Wheel alignment Rs 150
    Total spent today 6540+2200=150= 8790
    Total Spent during 5 days =50400+8790=RS 59190
    1.Pistons
    2.Rings
    3.Valve set
    4. Clutch Plate
    5.Misc. Bearings
    6.Timing belt
    7.HeadGaskit
    8.water Pump
    9. Ball joint
    10. 3 pump belts belts
    11. Radiator
    12. Pipping
    13.O rings
    14. Break Pads
    15. Silencer
    OVERHAUL COMPLETED Thanks GOD Honda Civic 1997 VTi  Engine Job  ( over heating reducing oil) suggestions - smiley smile I pray that it stays this way . It's the first 5 minutes of running time that can wipe out a new cam. The other 15 minutes is just insurance. Lets see what it does in the future Honda Civic 1997 VTi  Engine Job   over heating reducing oil suggestions -1403440
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    These Honda Engines Once Overheat All Way Twice Are Prone To Have uneven Head/Block.....Unlike Old YOTA's Iron BLOCK's

    So Considering Advice...Get Only Oil Seals Changed And Resolve Heatup Issue.....

    If You Need To Keep Car........Get New Assembly And Live Happy...Else You Will Spend More Than 2 Assemblies In Couple Of Months
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    This ia how the pit stop people fixed my side virw mirror :-( that made me loose confidance on them at least in fsd
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    Quote Originally Posted by SER_GTR View Post
    These Honda Engines Once Overheat All Way Twice Are Prone To Have uneven Head/Block.....Unlike Old YOTA's Iron BLOCK's

    So Considering Advice...Get Only Oil Seals Changed And Resolve Heatup Issue.....

    If You Need To Keep Car........Get New Assembly And Live Happy...Else You Will Spend More Than 2 Assemblies In Couple Of Months
    I don't believe in hiding things for selling purposes.I guess op should either tell the purchaser of current situation of engine else he shoul change assembly

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    @hash4u

    If you try to build an engine without caring for new stretch bolts and not paying attention to details like genuine gaskets, sealants, torque settings - you will have a disaster - more called "garbage in garbage out" - aka - shilcone toob + paana + taami + hathora rebuild.

    Its pretty funny that the D series engines are known to spit in the eye of satan while running with little oil and water and still being able to get work done. - They are pretty dheet.

    The pictures show a leaky valve cover gasket which has been ignored for tens of thousands of kms. First order will be to remove the head and check the block for corrossion, if its shot - then a new block is required. Its 90% of the fault in Pakistan because people think that "coolant" is a "bewaqoof bananay ka tareeqa" - in rebuild the machinist says he will weld new "silver" (yeah right like he's going to weld chaandi to your engine) - and then reface the block and you will have to use a 4mm thick headgasket.

    such jobs end in tears - do the job once and do it correct. A car is a transport machine - it should be reliable
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    No one is hiding any thing will for sure tell that it had a ring job and gasket change..its no big deal but alterations in a registration book and puting in a engine of some other car may cause a negative impression in the buyers mind ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by janleva View Post
    No one is hiding any thing will for sure tell that it had a ring job and gasket change..its no big deal but alterations in a registration book and puting in a engine of some other car may cause a negative impression in the buyers mind ..

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    I dont think it would put a negative impression, firstly the car is 13 years old and secondly (according to PW) everyone swaps engines for "awesome JDM powaah"
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    Everyone on pakwheels i guess but not every conventional buyer has that mind set.
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    I would suggest to remove the powerpack (engine + trans) - its dead easy on your car. separate the engine from trans - undo the cylinder head and check the block for warping etc, repair as required, repack properly and you are set.
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    when ever i walk across an old civic i read the block code,
    and i ask owners if they know engine is swapped
    almost all of them say they have no idea, and they bought the car as it is

    ( the way i am, i did not reverse my cars meter, and told new owner engine change).......i had to leave 3-4k for engine number transfer fee from payment
    but alteast i did not lie or cheat with anyone
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    Quote Originally Posted by hash4u View Post
    when ever i walk across an old civic i read the block code,
    and i ask owners if they know engine is swapped
    almost all of them say they have no idea, and they bought the car as it is

    ( the way i am, i did not reverse my cars meter, and told new owner engine change).......i had to leave 3-4k for engine number transfer fee from payment
    but alteast i did not lie or cheat with anyone

    That is because most people believe their mechanics and see that the engine looks very similar to the original one hence must be original.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hash4u View Post
    when ever i walk across an old civic i read the block code,
    and i ask owners if they know engine is swapped
    almost all of them say they have no idea, and they bought the car as it is

    ( the way i am, i did not reverse my cars meter, and told new owner engine change).......i had to leave 3-4k for engine number transfer fee from payment
    but alteast i did not lie or cheat with anyone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    @hash4u

    If you try to build an engine without caring for new stretch bolts and not paying attention to details like genuine gaskets, sealants, torque settings - you will have a disaster - more called "garbage in garbage out" - aka - shilcone toob + paana + taami + hathora rebuild.

    Its pretty funny that the D series engines are known to spit in the eye of satan while running with little oil and water and still being able to get work done. - They are pretty dheet.

    The pictures show a leaky valve cover gasket which has been ignored for tens of thousands of kms. First order will be to remove the head and check the block for corrossion, if its shot - then a new block is required. Its 90% of the fault in Pakistan because people think that "coolant" is a "bewaqoof bananay ka tareeqa" - in rebuild the machinist says he will weld new "silver" (yeah right like he's going to weld chaandi to your engine) - and then reface the block and you will have to use a 4mm thick headgasket.

    such jobs end in tears - do the job once and do it correct. A car is a transport machine - it should be reliable

    and 95% The Case Is GONE Block....WHich Blows Gasket...And In END You Need NEW One....

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    As I said - garbage in garbage out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by afnan.bashir View Post
    I don't believe in hiding things for selling purposes.I guess op should either tell the purchaser of current situation of engine else he shoul change assembly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    That is because most people believe their mechanics and see that the engine looks very similar to the original one hence must be original.
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    Yup that's right. If I was you I'd do the swap for b18 tbh less hassle and straight job with no fixing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SER_GTR View Post
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    @Xulfiqar will do that for sure

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    the first time it got over heated but stayed below the red line was when its radiator needed service the seccond time when it over heated it had leaking hoses fixing them and a new radiator solved the issue for about 4 years. After the first over heating it developed starting problems whenever the car even had a normal driving when the engine was warm. The mechanic told me that these hondas self starter gets farig after heat ups usually, So he installed some kabli one for 1100 rs which sounds heavy( like a a truck self ) but the car didnt had any starting problems after that still half self start. Some other mechanics that i queried before for that problem said that its sensors are bad, engine farig hai, kholian *** to pata chalay ga bka bla bla. I am keeping my fingers crossed this time aswell will see what type of mess the cars engine is into this time this wekedend.
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    i figured out after on google that the leakage around the distributor area might be due to a worn out O-ring that is one of the leading problems of such leaks along with the head gakset. The whole area below the distributor as here in my case is contaminated with oil staring right from the distributor area. O rings , valvse seals, gasket, may be the mot common reason of the oil reduction as i dont feel any lack of power while drive or any wierd noises. Checked the transmission fluid for any leaks but its level was all right.
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