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    Default 10th Generation Civic Exclusive Pakistan Launch

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      Quote Originally Posted by fazalwahab11375 View Post
      Valid point and agree to the quality of letter. Just for sake of my own understanding, let me ask a question..

      For 1.5T

      USDM Civic minimum R+M/2= 87 [RON 91]
      Saudi Arabia; Turbo RS = 95

      Australia, Phillipines, Indonesia, Thailand.. minimum grade at pump is 91 , Which is same as required on USDM, so no confusion.

      China, 92 required

      Don't you think Honda Atlas will risk and take a huge liability by telling consumer that 91 is recommended but 87 can be used ? Despite the facts we all know how much inferior even this 87 we have. Because every country where Civic is launched the minimum grade is OK to use except Pakistan where we are still pumping 87..

      I maybe 100% wrong and the article I published maybe totally useless and not based on facts.. but if you just take this one argument .. what you think What Atlas will do ? Or what you think as turbo Civic owner.. after spending 3 million on the car..

      Also let's say PKDM is detuned for lower grade fuel.. means it will run on 87 but there will loss of HP and expect it 20 to 30 hp .how than 1.5T will stand along with 1.8? [This will be a very rare possibility]

      One more thing if we say it will run on regular but loss of performance and I don't know what loss that will be expect it in double digits easily.. why to spend 300K extra on something which will not be running on its potential because of low grade fuel and you keep more wear tear in your bag and risk engine related issues..

      Thx



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      That is a valid concern but not very unlikely scenario. It is very much possible (and will most likely happen) that people after buying Turbo and running it on 87 when the recommendation is 91 after a certain time most likely won't feel much difference from 1.8 version and may just waste the extra amount they paid for Turbo. In Pakistan, the recommended standards that are followed strictly globally, are not followed in general and that's the reason we see so many wear and tear in cars here. Taking the car to mechanic 'ustaad' who does all kinds of 'jugaars' which is not recommended at all just to make that car operational again.

      Atlas saying 91 is recommended but 87 can be used can be compared to saying pure mineral water is recommended for drinking but public can use tap water (which majority do use for daily consumption in Pakistan) despite having proven contamination levels.

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      Buying a 28lacs + car that to a civic which indeed is attracting people around the globe for its looks mostly and then its above class perky turbo performance- Without those LED headlamps civic loses its half style attitude and aggressive look. I am not pointing other issues but the two main ones.
      Like Thailand give normal headlamps to 1.8l but for turbo LED lamps which differentiates it and turbo variant should have 2 exclusive speacial colours PEARL WHITE & BURGUNDY like we used to have shalimar rose mist back in 99-2000 exclusive for top spec Vti Oriel.And exclusive 17 inch Rims for Turbo different from those ugly 16inchers for 1.8l.

      Without those LED headlamps its like marrying a blind maaeee knocking your window at a signal on the Corner of the road.
      28 lacs of hardearned money deserves Looks & looks as front LED headlamps cost 23000 baht = Rs.69000
      and without which there are many out there not driving this Turbo a single mile.

      Now about performance- the octane issue. Ye Ron ka Rolla is a focus divergent triggered by Atlas as a wicked trick to make us beg just the solution/ announcement that turbo is compliant with normal 87 ron and forgeting and compromising on striped standard features.
      When mercs bmw and audi can run well in our super ron 87 civic is turbo not a Lamborghini. It will run and run well and will still be fast enough to thrill the lot yearning for it.
      One bad news is top speed of 1.8l is 221km/h and 1.5t can do max 208km/h max. Head technicians are on training these days and there is ECU limiter which cuts fuel. Though 1.5t will be faster to reach 200 but it will surrender later to 1.8l or even Altis.

      In conclusion and its for Atlas-what we all need is the following at least for turbo
      1. Exclusive colours & rims.
      2. Tweeked Ecu for 87 ron + no speed limiter.
      3. LED headlamps must.
      4. Exclusive turbo meter/ info cluster with red accents.
      5. Price 2749 not 2899 as we arent getting honda sensing power heated seats etc.

      Atleast when some one buys a turbo - it should be exclusive and justifies the extra worth for extra money. It will be so exasperating when people will put after market turbo badge behind for just 600 rupees only.
      Inside meter change and exterior colour LED headlamps will make turbo exclusive and create customer satisfaction. Dont need Navigation take it away we will have it of our choice.

      I hope we all agree and its simple demand for you Atlas -dont strip and rip us to the extent where we abandon you.


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      Quote Originally Posted by hishamkhan View Post
      You can say half a gimmick. it does work but not as well as you would want it to. i believe the "sensor" is not as sensitive as it should be.
      I agree, have it on my grande (shashka dikhanay ki hudd tak theek hai, otherwise its just a gimmick - doesn't really work as you wish it should)

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      This Hi-octane and fuel thing is getting to nerves now.... Now if a post is related to this RON 87 / 91 thing i simply scroll down...
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      Quote Originally Posted by fazalwahab11375 View Post
      Valid point and agree to the quality of letter. Just for sake of my own understanding, let me ask a question..

      For 1.5T

      USDM Civic minimum R+M/2= 87 [RON 91]
      Saudi Arabia; Turbo RS = 95

      Australia, Phillipines, Indonesia, Thailand.. minimum grade at pump is 91 , Which is same as required on USDM, so no confusion.

      China, 92 required

      Don't you think Honda Atlas will risk and take a huge liability by telling consumer that 91 is recommended but 87 can be used ? Despite the facts we all know how much inferior even this 87 we have. Because every country where Civic is launched the minimum grade is OK to use except Pakistan where we are still pumping 87..

      I maybe 100% wrong and the article I published maybe totally useless and not based on facts.. but if you just take this one argument .. what you think What Atlas will do ? Or what you think as turbo Civic owner.. after spending 3 million on the car..

      Also let's say PKDM is detuned for lower grade fuel.. means it will run on 87 but there will loss of HP and expect it 20 to 30 hp .how than 1.5T will stand along with 1.8? [This will be a very rare possibility]

      One more thing if we say it will run on regular but loss of performance and I don't know what loss that will be expect it in double digits easily.. why to spend 300K extra on something which will not be running on its potential because of low grade fuel and you keep more wear tear in your bag and risk engine related issues..

      Thx



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      i have spoken to many tuners especially for the 1.5T civic as the pkdm detuned its not going to be 20-30hp less....it will be like 5-10hp less and 6-7lbs of less torque. The problem is turbo is quite small like TD03 size, it is running on 16.5 psi which is over one bar boost tht a lot more than my A3 stock boost also, my only concern is stock boost which is 16.5psi of civic 1.5T is not good idea on 87 RON for daily driven but one things gonna help is direct-injection which is plus point for us. I have run my A3 and A4 on regular super with no problem but better to use high-octane for long healthy engine life, btw my A3 is now tuned with some bolt-on so i have back-up of highoctane on 30L jerry can if in case its not available. Once i get my hand on civic 1.5t, i will give review on it and will also compare wit my A3 as well.
      My lugnuts require more torque than your Vtec can put out...

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      No more fuel discussions anymore.. Its enough and boring.
      Discuss exterior colours preferences ...bodykits.. Detailing etc.



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      Got this delivered to my office today.... Doesn't really have any useful information but thought to share it regardless....

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      So you advice that for daily driven Civic X.. a regular 87 is not good? Do you think it's just matter of time if you continue using 87 in your Audi's to feel a diffrent engine behavior? I want to understand because you agree that although your Audi are running but there can be a negative impact? Is your A3/4 are daily driven?

      You will also agree that majority of people even don't check out the oil grade when they change oil.. they just need an oil change.. don't follow required grade..



      Quote Originally Posted by salik990 View Post
      i have spoken to many tuners especially for the 1.5T civic as the pkdm detuned its not going to be 20-30hp less....it will be like 5-10hp less and 6-7lbs of less torque. The problem is turbo is quite small like TD03 size, it is running on 16.5 psi which is over one bar boost tht a lot more than my A3 stock boost also, my only concern is stock boost which is 16.5psi of civic 1.5T is not good idea on 87 RON for daily driven but one things gonna help is direct-injection which is plus point for us. I have run my A3 and A4 on regular super with no problem but better to use high-octane for long healthy engine life, btw my A3 is now tuned with some bolt-on so i have back-up of highoctane on 30L jerry can if in case its not available. Once i get my hand on civic 1.5t, i will give review on it and will also compare wit my A3 as well.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Dawar View Post
      Buying a 28lacs + car that to a civic which indeed is attracting people around the globe for its looks mostly and then its above class perky turbo performance- Without those LED headlamps civic loses its half style attitude and aggressive look. I am not pointing other issues but the two main ones.Like Thailand give normal headlamps to 1.8l but for turbo LED lamps which differentiates it and turbo variant should have 2 exclusive speacial colours PEARL WHITE & BURGUNDY like we used to have shalimar rose mist back in 99-2000 exclusive for top spec Vti Oriel.And exclusive 17 inch Rims for Turbo different from those ugly 16inchers for 1.8l.Without those LED headlamps its like marrying a blind maaeee knocking your window at a signal on the Corner of the road.28 lacs of hardearned money deserves Looks & looks as front LED headlamps cost 23000 baht = Rs.69000and without which there are many out there not driving this Turbo a single mile.Now about performance- the octane issue. Ye Ron ka Rolla is a focus divergent triggered by Atlas as a wicked trick to make us beg just the solution/ announcement that turbo is compliant with normal 87 ron and forgeting and compromising on striped standard features.When mercs bmw and audi can run well in our super ron 87 civic is turbo not a Lamborghini. It will run and run well and will still be fast enough to thrill the lot yearning for it.One bad news is top speed of 1.8l is 221km/h and 1.5t can do max 208km/h max. Head technicians are on training these days and there is ECU limiter which cuts fuel. Though 1.5t will be faster to reach 200 but it will surrender later to 1.8l or even Altis.In conclusion and its for Atlas-what we all need is the following at least for turbo1. Exclusive colours & rims.2. Tweeked Ecu for 87 ron + no speed limiter.3. LED headlamps must.4. Exclusive turbo meter/ info cluster with red accents.5. Price 2749 not 2899 as we arent getting honda sensing power heated seats etc.Atleast when some one buys a turbo - it should be exclusive and justifies the extra worth for extra money. It will be so exasperating when people will put after market turbo badge behind for just 600 rupees only.Inside meter change and exterior colour LED headlamps will make turbo exclusive and create customer satisfaction. Dont need Navigation take it away we will have it of our choice.I hope we all agree and its simple demand for you Atlas -dont strip and rip us to the extent where we abandon you. Sent from my LG-H811 using PW Forums mobile app
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      100% agreed!

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      Quote Originally Posted by zuhaibafzal View Post
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      In Thailand LED are not standard across the Turbo models.. It's only on top of the line RS.. same in US where there are many trims under Turbo.. LED is only on top of the line Touring.. LED is not available as option.

      Also the Full digital TFT display has compatibility/functional connectivity with Apple Car Play and Android Auto unit.. PKDM don't have it so cluster is missing as well. The full TFT is available only in Civics where there is ACP/AA compatible head unit. This also result in less functions on steering wheel controls which you missed it.

      In your post you mentioned Audi , BMW and Mercedes running on 87 without any problems and same will be Case with turbo Civic , But your point #2 still asks Atlas to tweak ECU for 87.. ?

      There are many other small features like missing auto dimming rear view mirror which is standard on USDM.. As per one of our member there is no power driver seat on PKDM Turbo while it's there everywhere else.

      Dual zone climate control unit is missing as well. So I believe although LED make car looks much better but I will stress on convenience feature more.

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      Fazal bhai, do you by chance have the 0-100 times compared between the three engines, 1.5t, 1.8 and 2.0

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      Quote Originally Posted by syedahmedsaad View Post
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      Fazal bhai, do you by chance have the 0-100 times compared between the three engines, 1.5t, 1.8 and 2.0

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      Top speed of 1.8 is 211 not 221, and turbo top is 207
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      Quote Originally Posted by fazalwahab11375 View Post
      So you advice that for daily driven Civic X.. a regular 87 is not good? Do you think it's just matter of time if you continue using 87 in your Audi's to feel a diffrent engine behavior? I want to understand because you agree that although your Audi are running but there can be a negative impact? Is your A3/4 are daily driven?
      well i have other cars so i sometime take out A3 mostly at the night time so i think it will consider as a daily driven, yes i wont advice to run 87 RON only for daily driven maybe mixtures of HOBC will be fine like 60:40 or 70:30. I think if i continue to drive A3 with 87 super only it will deteriorate the engine power, but i cant use 87 super only as my A3 is tuned now. I have seen many German turbo cars running on super like C200/250 cgi, E200/250cgi, bmw 316i and A4,i just found out tht my grandfather's driver is mostly filling 87 super on his Merc E250cgi
      My lugnuts require more torque than your Vtec can put out...

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      ROFL only thing the driver fills is his pockets
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      Enough with the fuel discussion already. We know everything about fuel in the discussions taking place along the 380+ pages of this topic.

      Please decide if you want it or not. 1.8 looks the same, costs lesser, doesn't have a few things in the car but then again beggars can't be choosers (and with this statement I mean Pakistan where customers have no right). Pakistan will continue to have strip down versions of all cars locally assembled here. That's all. Either we deal with it or get our hands on some imported version of the same car or one in the same class or price.

      Honda Atlas will do what they do best, make as much profit as they can on crap cars they give us here for almost the same price of the same car abroad. There is nothing that is going to change that thinking as the mentality is such that we are running after them for cars and not the other way around plus there is no competition in the market apart from the big 3. Wait for 1 or 2 more companies to set foot and see how the quality of the cars improve with a price decline as well. You will see Honda and Toyota adverts everywhere begging you to buy their cars. Until such time, we cannot demand a thing from them.




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      Meanwhile a Honda dealer tells me that they intentionally floated this fuel issue to discourage people from buying the Turbo Civic. .. never happens anywhere



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      Enough with the fuel discussion already. We know everything about fuel in the discussions taking place along the 380+ pages of this topic.

      Please decide if you want it or not. 1.8 looks the same, costs lesser, doesn't have a few things in the car but then again beggars can't be choosers (and with this statement I mean Pakistan where customers have no right). Pakistan will continue to have strip down versions of all cars locally assembled here. That's all. Either we deal with it or get our hands on some imported version of the same car or one in the same class or price.

      Honda Atlas will do what they do best, make as much profit as they can on crap cars they give us here for almost the same price of the same car abroad. There is nothing that is going to change that thinking as the mentality is such that we are running after them for cars and not the other way around plus there is no competition in the market apart from the big 3. Wait for 1 or 2 more companies to set foot and see how the quality of the cars improve with a price decline as well. You will see Honda and Toyota adverts everywhere begging you to buy their cars. Until such time, we cannot demand a thing from them.




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      Quote Originally Posted by fazalwahab11375 View Post
      Meanwhile a Honda dealer tells me that they intentionally floated this fuel issue to discourage people from buying the Turbo Civic. .. never happens anywhere

      Lol yeah I read that thread on Facebook and couldn't stop laughing at their severely limited knowledge of cars. Haha

      Oh and if they actually did do this then they've lost a lot of customers from Honda who have jumped ship and gone for a Corolla. Good going Atlas. Shot your own foot. Lol


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