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    Default 10th Generation Civic Exclusive Pakistan Launch

    Check the delivery status of your booked Honda vehicle > http://www.honda.com.pk/CarDelivery#/

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    This Thread is dedicated to the discussion/ launch regarding the most anticipated next generation Civic by Honda Atlas [ The Civic X]. Share your thoughts, opinion, expectations, wish list and anything related to the next Civic.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ghayyour View Post
      You are right but main cost here would not be import duties rather it's more related with R&D cost, innovation, technology, patent rights etc. 1.5L might not be expensive but 1.5L TurboCharged is quite expensive. My point of view Atlas has got every right to charge premium on latest technology but they must offer to only those who really want to buy it.


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      That might be a possibility, like i said maybe a weak one. As they used to offer EXi and a premium VTi some good years back. So a normal basic model and an exclusive one such as US touring


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      Quote Originally Posted by arkhitekt View Post
      It's not about duties but the investment on bringing a 1.5 T


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      What investment? Do you think Atlas is some small fish. They have huge money and can make such investment. 1.5T is not a space technology.



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      That might be a possibility, like i said maybe a weak one. As they used to offer EXi and a premium VTi some good years back. So a normal basic model and an exclusive one such as US touring


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      2.0 liter is out of question so it will be old 1.8 and premium trim with 1.5 T. There is also 1.0 liter, that may be offered in some trims
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      1L turbo is for Europe and that too is planned for model year 2017. No chance you will see it in Pakistan that quick



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      2.0 liter is out of question so it will be old 1.8 and premium trim with 1.5 T. There is also 1.0 liter, that may be offered in some trims
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      Quote Originally Posted by autophile View Post
      What investment? Do you think Atlas is some small fish. They have huge money and can make such investment. 1.5T is not a space technology.





      2.0 liter is out of question so it will be old 1.8 and premium trim with 1.5 T. There is also 1.0 liter, that may be offered in some trims
      Atlas may be a huge fish but they won't prefer to cut down profits and spend money unless it is a necessity.
      Also the 1.0 Liter would probably be offered in the hatchback version. The 1.0 is 127hp which for our Civic is downgrade from 141 and even if 1.0 was not for Europe Atlas wouldn't opt for it in any case.



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      Again it all depends on what Honda Thailand has to offer. Let's see the engine line up of Thai Civic and what options they kill or what options they add.


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      The rate of taxation and duties is CC based in Pakistan so lesser the CC the lesser the cost and resultantly price.
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      Quote Originally Posted by arkhitekt View Post
      Atlas may be a huge fish but they won't prefer to cut down profits and spend money unless it is a necessity.
      Also the 1.0 Liter would probably be offered in the hatchback version. The 1.0 is 127hp which for our Civic is downgrade from 141 and even if 1.0 was not for Europe Atlas wouldn't opt for it in any case.



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      investment? what do you mean? it's not at all a capital expenditure! they will buy on inter company price and will sell at premium. it's not at all an investment. on the contrary it will be more profitable.


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      Quote Originally Posted by autophile View Post
      The rate of taxation and duties is CC based in Pakistan so lesser the CC the lesser the cost and resultantly price.
      yes true but the original price (without taxes) would be high.


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      As ref the price list in the OP, the difference is about 4,000 dollars and this difference may be absorbed in Pakistan CC based tax and duty regime, so here 1.5 may cost as 2.0 in US
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      Duties based on engine CCs for CKD units paid by these companies is not comparable to the duties we have to pay for imports. So i doubt the difference in duty between 2.0 and 1.5 will make up for the base price difference between the higher and lower trim. My two cents

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      Quote Originally Posted by autophile View Post
      As ref the price list in the OP, the difference is about 4,000 dollars and this difference may be absorbed in Pakistan CC based tax and duty regime, so here 1.5 may cost as 2.0 in US
      Errrrr, bro if that was the case 1.5 would have been cheaper even in USA. That's not how car companies and there dynamics work. It's priced higher because of all the extra R&D amounts Honda has spent on it and now they have to recover that and turn it to profits hence affecting price of a car to be sold calculated with financial feasibilities of recoveries. And this is why every single model launched has a price increase though this time its very negligible for US versions but with the number of units they sell they achieve break even quickly. Lesser the price increase and on top of that if the sale figures drop, they end up cutting down profits and start going into losses.
      And @ghayyour as per the same financial dynamics on how car companies work, every region has to sort of buy rights for production by putting in their financial share. That technically means if Atlas is bringing in a new technology such as 1.5 T which Honda has spent a fortune on, they won't throw it at Atlas Honda for free and would charge that additional cost which has contributed to setting the price for that new engine. Which may or may not be feasible for a region. Hence only if all other engines are discontinued and Turbo is only the basic thing available hence glibally forcing Honda to give it in every region because it's now not feasible for them to produce an obsolete technology just to cater a region which wants it, then the extra cost will not be charged after they have already recovered it by selling the same in all other parts of the world and crossed their break even.
      You want something better you obviously gotta pay for it.
      Why do you think Atlas did not launch the 2015 City yet? Same reason as Atlas has not sort of invested in purchasing rights for it unless globally as a policy Honda decides to force Atlas Pakistan to stop production of the older model, making it necessary for them to start with the new one as the only option available to continue production.
      If all that i have mentioned is wrong, please forgive me since: All these things are not my assumptions or opinions but told to me directly during conversation with one of high officials working at a factory. So i may have been misfed information by him if what i have said is not true.


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      Quote Originally Posted by ShamiqSaeed View Post
      Duties based on engine CCs for CKD units paid by these companies is not comparable to the duties we have to pay for imports. So i doubt the difference in duty between 2.0 and 1.5 will make up for the base price difference between the higher and lower trim. My two cents
      True Indeed, the duty difference between CKD and CBU contributes a lot along with local production costs.


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      Atlas does not manufacture any engine or transmission parts in Pakistan, it makes body panels and some body parts so it is not ToT. Atlas buys the car in parts (CKD) form and CKD has lesser duties than a CBU. It does assembling under licence and it pays to Honda whatever from where it source its parts.

      The unit being sold in US markets with 1.5T are pricy only by about 4,000 dollars or Chaar Lakh Pakistani per unit (same trim specs but only difference of engine). So why it would charge heavily from Atlas and has it not been the practice in past model changes? Was not R-18 new when it came in 8th Gen?
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      Jo bhi ho we will 90% not get 1.5 turbo. Our market just not ready for turbo in everyday cars.Also people here associate engine power with cc

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      Quote Originally Posted by mubeenshahid View Post
      Jo bhi ho we will 90% not get 1.5 turbo. Our market just not ready for turbo in everyday cars.Also people here associate engine power with cc

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      We dont get USDM. Nor JDM. We get whats based in Thailand. So hold your horses, they would probably have a 1.5-1.6 N/A for us.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ghayyour View Post
      Don't be so pessimistic. Pakistan drivers know much better driving than many other country's drivers and most of the potential buyers of civic X know how to drive turbo charged.


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      I highly doubt our people know how to maintain turbocharged cars.

      Our people start car early in morning revv it like crazy the second it starts to convert it to CNG. A turbo engine, n specifically the turbo, is not going to like cold oil.

      And our people rarely spend money on good oils. Yes. Alot of Civic owners here do that but I have read people putting Zic Hiflo 20w50 or worst in Civics of 2005-2006.

      Ive kept a turbo car for around 2 years. It needs some precautions a N/A car doesnt.
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      Quote Originally Posted by autophile View Post
      Atlas does not manufacture any engine or transmission parts in Pakistan, it makes body panels and some body parts so it is not ToT. Atlas buys the car in parts (CKD) form and CKD has lesser duties than a CBU. It does assembling under licence and it pays to Honda whatever from where it source its parts.

      The unit being sold in US markets with 1.5T are pricy only by about 4,000 dollars or Chaar Lakh Pakistani per unit (same trim specs but only difference of engine). So why it would charge heavily from Atlas and has it not been the practice in past model changes? Was not R-18 new when it came in 8th Gen?
      Bro as i mentioned earlier on this thread many times, won't be happening unless the Turbo is a basic most engine offered by Honda. The 1.8 Vtec was the only engine Atlas was forced to have in the past when 1.5 EXi and 1.6 VTi was discontinued for Civic. Vtec in the past few years was the only basic technology for engine honda had applied globally.
      Top of the line 1.6 VTi Oriel Prosmatec was for 1220 in 2006 while a base model manual 1.8 Vtec Reborn manual transmission hardtop introduced was for 1270 in 2006. The 1.8 equivalent of outgoing 1.6 which was for 1220 came out priced at 1499 in 8th Gen.
      The difference ure referring to: base model costing currently is for US is around 19 lacs and ours is for 21 after adding wht so add that 2 lacs to your 4 lacs as well (6 lacs). So let's assume if a non turbo top of the line costs us 26, that would mean a Turbo from Atlas will cost 26+6=32. The people willing to spend 32 on a Civic are only pakwheels members like us. What percentage of buyers would that make? Atlas will calculate all this, make proposals and feasibilities and then decide if they should do it as an additional premium trim or not along with a non turbo regular line up of trims.


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      Quote Originally Posted by ahsan1702 View Post
      I highly doubt our people know how to maintain turbocharged cars.

      Our people start car early in morning revv it like crazy the second it starts to convert it to CNG. A turbo engine, n specifically the turbo, is not going to like cold oil.

      And our people rarely spend money on good oils. Yes. Alot of Civic owners here do that but I have read people putting Zic Hiflo 20w50 or worst in Civics of 2005-2006.

      Ive kept a turbo car for around 2 years. It needs some precautions a N/A car doesnt.
      And the Turbo hates dust, pollution, humidity and our kind of environment.


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      Quote Originally Posted by arkhitekt View Post
      And the Turbo hates dust, pollution, humidity and our kind of environment.


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