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    i have recently purchased a 7th gen honda civic 2005 eagle eye manual transmission. the car is petrol driven. the previous user did not use the oil as per the requirement of the car and poured it randomly. I have the owners manual which says use api grade SG, SH or SJ only. Nowadays, most of the oils are either SL, SM or SN grade. My question to all and especially @Xulfiqar bhai, @goodman2 and @Storm is that can i upgrade to SL, SM and SN grade or will it deteriorate my engine. I had gone through some threads which stated that newer grades lack zddp which is essential for some engines. My cars engine is D16w9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tintin1 View Post
    Thank you sir.

    I also asked my friend that there are few people at PW who has very vast knowledge about cars, transmissions, engines, oils, almost everything.
    He told me that many people (Especially who runs company's operated workshops) have "CAR SOFTWARE DATA BASE". They can just put the name of engine or model, and it gives all types of actual informations according to company's recommendations.

    e.g. If we put Audi A4 1.8 or 2KD-FTV or 1NZ-FE, etc. the software explains the Article number of each & every part. Even brake pads, hubs, monts, about suspensions, Oils, Battery, Wires, etc. almost each & everything about that Car.

    Sir do you have same software? Can I also buy it plz?
    its not one software alone, I do have access to repair systems but I paid for that individually because I was running a shop. You then also need service tooling. The information in it assumes that the person reading it is already knowledgeable and experienced in working on cars/trucks etc.

    e.g. - I can show you the repair manuals of mercedes benz automatic gearboxes - unless you are experienced with autoboxes and how they are repaired - it wont make sense and sound like cryptic jargon.

    Think of the information as 1 out of 3 parts, the other two are experience and base knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZainMahdi View Post
    If that detailed blog can post a UOA, that would be great. 3000 km is a motorcycle interval. Following it on cars is a waste of money.

    Get the air filter blasted with pressurized air once a month; get the tires pumped while you are at it. The car wash guys do it for free. Use a good oil filter. When owner's manuals say "dusty environment", they mean the type of environment in heavy construction zones and unpaved roads. Karachi's roads are mostly paved.

    I assume that your get to your university in the morning, and get back in the evening. Even on really hot days, the temperature is not above 32*C in the morning and in the evening.

    Any traffic is fine as long its not a bumper-to-bumper situation. If you are using 3rd and 4th gear frequently, the traffic is probably thin enough.

    If your college is at least 8 km away from your home, you might consider the 8 months interval.

    edit: does the owner's manual say anything about normal/severe service? If not, thats just Honda copy pasting the outdated generic 3k mile interval followed in the U.S. The service manual can give more details in this regard.
    Karachi roads are deteriorating day by day and i usually return back home in the afternoon around 2 pm. so its 36 degrees nowadays during that time. Bumper to bumper situation arises usually in the morning only. and my college is atleast 25 kms distant from my home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hassaaniqbal92 View Post
    Karachi roads are deteriorating day by day and i usually return back home in the afternoon around 2 pm. so its 36 degrees nowadays during that time. Bumper to bumper situation arises usually in the morning only. and my college is atleast 25 kms distant from my home.
    I would personally go for the 8 months/10k interval in these conditions. 36*C is fine if the roads are fairly open; the air rushing through the grille will prevent the coolant and oil from cooking.

    As long as the roads don't look like a dirt rally course, they are fine . A well maintained air filter, and a good oil filter will take care of that.

    If the morning traffic is like the one I remember, its not much to worry about. Our car ('88 Sunny on CNG) used to hit 110 km/h going from N.Nazimabad to P.E.C.H.S in 7:45 to 8 am traffic (we never left for school on time ). That was years ago though.

    Go for the 5k/ 4 month inteval if you like it better, or even 8k km/6 months (Toyota's old standard internationally).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    its not one software alone, I do have access to repair systems but I paid for that individually because I was running a shop. You then also need service tooling. The information in it assumes that the person reading it is already knowledgeable and experienced in working on cars/trucks etc.

    e.g. - I can show you the repair manuals of mercedes benz automatic gearboxes - unless you are experienced with autoboxes and how they are repaired - it wont make sense and sound like cryptic jargon.

    Think of the information as 1 out of 3 parts, the other two are experience and base knowledge.
    sir thank you for informations.
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    Okay, after some more research, I have come to the conclusion that all EFI Hondas can use at least 6000 km/6 month intervals (6th gen), and 7th gen onwards can go 8k km/6 months, with mineral oils and driving in severe conditions, regardless of weather it has O2 sensors. The car should be well maintained and using good quality oil filters. It can be stretched to at least 16k km/1 year if the drive is mainly on highways. I am thinking of trying a 16k km interval on our Civic, and report back with a UOA; it is almost exclusively a highway driven car. The valvetrain was sparkling clean the last time it had its valve lash adjusted, so I'm sure it currently has no sludge.

    Fuel dilution, which affects OCI's, is not a problem with EFI cars, even if they don't use O2 sensors. It is a problem with carbureted and GDI cars. However, non O2 cars are still hard on spark plugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZainMahdi View Post
    Okay, after some more research, I have come to the conclusion that all EFI Hondas can use at least 6000 km/6 month intervals (6th gen), and 7th gen onwards can go 8k km/6 months, with mineral oils and driving in severe conditions, regardless of weather it has O2 sensors. The car should be well maintained and using good quality oil filters. It can be stretched to at least 16k km/1 year if the drive is mainly on highways. I am thinking of trying a 16k km interval on our Civic, and report back with a UOA; it is almost exclusively a highway driven car. The valvetrain was sparkling clean the last time it had its valve lash adjusted, so I'm sure it currently has no sludge.

    Fuel dilution, which affects OCI's, is not a problem with EFI cars, even if they don't use O2 sensors. It is a problem with carbureted and GDI cars. However, non O2 cars are still hard on spark plugs.
    Usually the big sump cars takes more engine oils and we use them for longer change intervals too.
    Example. 2KD-FTV (Vigo, Hilux, 2700cc) takes 6.5L engine oil. We can use ZIC XQ and can run it upto 10~12K if engine is in good condition.
    And if we use same engine oil in 660cc car, then we have to change it after 5~6K only.
    Conclusion: The engine size matters with oil capacity.

    Civic is 1800cc but it takes only 3.5L oil alongwith filter cap (like Vitz, Passo, who are only 1000cc). So will it be OK to run the mineral oil in civic upto 6K~8K?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tintin1 View Post
    Usually the big sump cars takes more engine oils and we use them for longer change intervals too.
    Example. 2KD-FTV (Vigo, Hilux, 2700cc) takes 6.5L engine oil. We can use ZIC XQ and can run it upto 10~12K if engine is in good condition.
    And if we use same engine oil in 660cc car, then we have to change it after 5~6K only.
    Conclusion: The engine size matters with oil capacity.

    Civic is 1800cc but it takes only 3.5L oil alongwith filter cap (like Vitz, Passo, who are only 1000cc). So will it be OK to run the mineral oil in civic upto 6K~8K?
    8k km/6 months for Civic in severe service should not be a problem with mineral oil.

    Toyotas before ~2010 had a universal drain interval of 8k km / months, regardless of normal or severe service. There were a few exceptions, such as Camry. However, a certain cab company here uses drain intervals that will shock you; their cars last very long too.

    Most NA 660 cc cars can use a normal OCI of 10k km/6 months, or a severe OCI of 5k km/3 months.
    _ 22 km/l from '03 VTi automatic, with plenty of room for improvement
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    I have also same model,wana change the oil,dnt know about the previous oil,
    which one is good in Total oil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafiaoso View Post
    I have also same model,wana change the oil,dnt know about the previous oil,
    which one is good in Total oil?
    Total quartz 5000 10w40

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafiaoso View Post
    I have also same model,wana change the oil,dnt know about the previous oil,
    which one is good in Total oil?
    Total Quartz 9000 5w-30
    Change interval ~6K
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    Quote Originally Posted by tintin1 View Post
    Total Quartz 9000 5w-30
    Change interval ~6K
    Shouldnt he first chk whether 10w40 is suiting his car. The history of the previous oil is not known

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    I had only once changed the oil with 20-50 havoline nd change imterval would be 2500-3000km which is near so should i pour in 10-40 havolone this time? What would u suggest car is 2004 civic with D17a swapped


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrUnknown View Post
    I had only once changed the oil with 20-50 havoline nd change imterval would be 2500-3000km which is near so should i pour in 10-40 havolone this time? What would u suggest car is 2004 civic with D17a swapped


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    Quote Originally Posted by hassaaniqbal92 View Post
    Shouldnt he first chk whether 10w40 is suiting his car. The history of the previous oil is not known
    Coming directly to 5w-30 would be OK for sure.
    However for the safer side, he may change the first oil earlier than routine.

    My relative bought Vitz 2010 model and was feeding 20w-50.
    I told him about the recommended oils and asked him to shift to ZIC A+ (5w-20)
    He quickly shifted and was amazed with the increase fuel average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hassaaniqbal92 View Post
    Shouldnt he first chk whether 10w40 is suiting his car. The history of the previous oil is not known
    I dnt have user manual, how to check which oil is suitable for my car?
    I think Total quartz 5000 10w40 is very thick oil?
    shopkeeper also said that 10w40 is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafiaoso View Post
    I dnt have user manual, how to check which oil is suitable for my car?
    I think Total quartz 5000 10w40 is very thick oil?
    shopkeeper also said that 10w40 is good.
    your car is 2005 civic ?
    driven?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tintin1 View Post
    your car is 2005 civic ?
    driven?
    Ya 05 Vti,manual, 110k

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    Quote Originally Posted by mafiaoso View Post
    Ya 05 Vti,manual, 110k
    For the best fuel economy use 5w-30 with change interval 5~6K
    For regular change intervals like ~4K, choose 10w-30 or 10w-40
    And for very long change intervals like 6~8K, choose 5w-40
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    Quote Originally Posted by tintin1 View Post
    For the best fuel economy use 5w-30 with change interval 5~6K
    For regular change intervals like ~4K, choose 10w-30 or 10w-40
    And for very long change intervals like 6~8K, choose 5w-40
    Change intervals don't depend on viscosity, rather it depends on Grade, nature of oil i.e mineral, semi-syn or syntheic and additives, based on which Manufacturer's set change interval recomendation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiGhTShAdE View Post
    Change intervals don't depend on viscosity, rather it depends on Grade, nature of oil i.e mineral, semi-syn or syntheic and additives, based on which Manufacturer's set change interval recomendation.
    Yes its correct. my given change intervals were based on same points too.
    because 10w-30 & 10w-40 either comes in mineral or semi synthetic. Thats why the intervals of these oils are less.
    whereas 5w-30 & 5w-40 comes in fully synthetic and hence their intervals are more.

    Also, new cars beats less to engine oils whereas in older engines the change tenors are slightly less.
    For example,

    Mr. A has new car, using 5w-30 and changing it after 8K.
    Mr. B has old car, he uses same oil 5w-30 but changing it after ~6K.

    and somehow this formula makes sense for Pak. cars. In other countries, the situations can be different.
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