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    Dear All,
    I would be grateful if you can give me advice/suggestions on the following problem
    I have a 2010 civic reborn with a mileage of 100k, the car has been regularly maintained from Honda with all the fluids changed on time. With its age my car has developed one very annoying little problem, it vibrates on light throttle between the speed of 20-40, the amount of vibration varies randomly. I had the car checked at Honda City Sales and they diagnosed it to be a fault with the transmission and recommended a transmission overhaul. I had the ATF changed 15,000 kms ago but I changed it again and the problem was solved for a few weeks.
    After about 2 weeks, the same problem has re emerged, although the amount of vibration has decreased but it is still there and can be felt.
    I discussed the problem with another Honda technician and also read the blogs of 8th gen civic. Apparently this problem is fairly common in this model and the problem occurs when solenoids are clogged and are not able to distribute the ATF evenly at low throttle.
    According to the forum and the 2nd Honda technician the problem can be resolved by changing the transmission oil 3-4 times after short intervals which would effectively clean the transmission. Honda does not recommend a transmission flush so the frequent oil changes would effectively clean it.

    To perform this procedure I need clarifications:
    1) Which ATF should I use? I have heard that AMSOIL ATF is better but the problem is my car currently has Honda ATF in it and as I cannot flush the previous ATF, so in order to use AMSOIL I would effectively be mixing it with the Honda ATF in the transmission, will that be safe for my transmission?
    2) I also read somewhere Honda has a transmission filter and changing ATF without the filter can be useless, therefore should I change the filter, as Honda terms it as a non replaceable part. If I should change the filter can anyone please recommend a workshop where it can be done and from where can the filter be bought?
    3) The last but the most important, by doing ether or both of the above can be problem be solved?

    I know it is very long query but I wanted to describe the situation as best as I could, I would be grateful for inputs in this matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omerjamil View Post
    Dear All,
    I would be grateful if you can give me advice/suggestions on the following problem
    I have a 2010 civic reborn with a mileage of 100k, the car has been regularly maintained from Honda with all the fluids changed on time. With its age my car has developed one very annoying little problem, it vibrates on light throttle between the speed of 20-40, the amount of vibration varies randomly. I had the car checked at Honda City Sales and they diagnosed it to be a fault with the transmission and recommended a transmission overhaul. I had the ATF changed 15,000 kms ago but I changed it again and the problem was solved for a few weeks.
    After about 2 weeks, the same problem has re emerged, although the amount of vibration has decreased but it is still there and can be felt.
    I discussed the problem with another Honda technician and also read the blogs of 8th gen civic. Apparently this problem is fairly common in this model and the problem occurs when solenoids are clogged and are not able to distribute the ATF evenly at low throttle.
    According to the forum and the 2nd Honda technician the problem can be resolved by changing the transmission oil 3-4 times after short intervals which would effectively clean the transmission. Honda does not recommend a transmission flush so the frequent oil changes would effectively clean it.

    To perform this procedure I need clarifications:
    1) Which ATF should I use? I have heard that AMSOIL ATF is better but the problem is my car currently has Honda ATF in it and as I cannot flush the previous ATF, so in order to use AMSOIL I would effectively be mixing it with the Honda ATF in the transmission, will that be safe for my transmission?
    2) I also read somewhere Honda has a transmission filter and changing ATF without the filter can be useless, therefore should I change the filter, as Honda terms it as a non replaceable part. If I should change the filter can anyone please recommend a workshop where it can be done and from where can the filter be bought?
    3) The last but the most important, by doing ether or both of the above can be problem be solved?

    I know it is very long query but I wanted to describe the situation as best as I could, I would be grateful for inputs in this matter.
    AOA bro..i also have an 8th gen civic and encountered the same problem which usually happens in 2nd gear as the transmission is changing gear from 2nd to 3rd..my problem was solved by changing the transmission fluid only once..i had it changed 20000 kms ago but due to this problm i got it changed again and now the problem is solved..Regarding ur questions i wuld like to answer them as to the best of my knowledge
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    1: DO NOT USE any other transmission fluid apart from honda ATF..honda has two varieties of ATF..one is DW-1 and other is Z-1..in pakistan and most honda dealerships we have Z-1 which is mineral and DW-1 is the newer generation synthetic one..both of them are intermixable so u can get any but i wuld recommend u stick to the one u were previously using...2: Yes 8th gen civics do have an external transmission filter that can be changed but honda does not mention to change it in their user manual and u shuld check out other dealerships where u can find the transmission filter..If u find it replace it and do also let me know from which dealership and for how much u found it..i wuld recommend again that u change it...3: In my opinion and personal experience changing only the transmission fluid once or twice aftr 10-15 thousand kms will rid u of the problem..if it doesnt let me know il help u further...
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    And most important thing to remember is that DO NOT FLUSH UR TRANSMISSION IN ANY CASE!
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    you need to put in CVT oil in it, ATF is for regular automatic transmission, But yours is Prosmatec so you need to use CVT oil..

    Secondly mixing mineral oil with Synthetic is not recommended.. Both have different properties. Never mix them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehsan4808 View Post
    you need to put in CVT oil in it, ATF is for regular automatic transmission, But yours is Prosmatec so you need to use CVT oil..

    Secondly mixing mineral oil with Synthetic is not recommended.. Both have different properties. Never mix them.
    reborn has normal auto transmission...pros is just smooth shifting of gears it is not cvt
    change the atf once agaain...but do ask the mechanic to check ffor gear mount that can also be an issue
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    For God sake, u should not suggest any 1 if u r not sure. This info is absolutely wrong and can damage irreversible loss to the transmission.
    Prosmatec is not CVT. Its just a conventional 4 speed auto transmission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omkhan View Post
    For God sake, u should not suggest any 1 if u r not sure. This info is absolutely wrong and can damage irreversible loss to the transmission.
    Prosmatec is not CVT. Its just a conventional 4 speed auto transmission.
    5 speed bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by omerjamil View Post
    Dear All,
    I would be grateful if you can give me advice/suggestions on the following problem
    I have a 2010 civic reborn with a mileage of 100k, the car has been regularly maintained from Honda with all the fluids changed on time. With its age my car has developed one very annoying little problem, it vibrates on light throttle between the speed of 20-40, the amount of vibration varies randomly. I had the car checked at Honda City Sales and they diagnosed it to be a fault with the transmission and recommended a transmission overhaul. I had the ATF changed 15,000 kms ago but I changed it again and the problem was solved for a few weeks.
    After about 2 weeks, the same problem has re emerged, although the amount of vibration has decreased but it is still there and can be felt.
    I discussed the problem with another Honda technician and also read the blogs of 8th gen civic. Apparently this problem is fairly common in this model and the problem occurs when solenoids are clogged and are not able to distribute the ATF evenly at low throttle.
    According to the forum and the 2nd Honda technician the problem can be resolved by changing the transmission oil 3-4 times after short intervals which would effectively clean the transmission. Honda does not recommend a transmission flush so the frequent oil changes would effectively clean it.

    To perform this procedure I need clarifications:
    1) Which ATF should I use? I have heard that AMSOIL ATF is better but the problem is my car currently has Honda ATF in it and as I cannot flush the previous ATF, so in order to use AMSOIL I would effectively be mixing it with the Honda ATF in the transmission, will that be safe for my transmission?
    2) I also read somewhere Honda has a transmission filter and changing ATF without the filter can be useless, therefore should I change the filter, as Honda terms it as a non replaceable part. If I should change the filter can anyone please recommend a workshop where it can be done and from where can the filter be bought?
    3) The last but the most important, by doing ether or both of the above can be problem be solved?

    I know it is very long query but I wanted to describe the situation as best as I could, I would be grateful for inputs in this matter.
    See when does the car vibrates on acceleration or regular slow start from stop. Secondly solenoids can be cleaned i suppose @Xulfiqar may enlighten us more. Secondly Honda dont like no other ATF. So go for OEM ATF i suppose your civic takes Z1 fluid
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    Honda DW1 is recommended for the silly honda autobox. If your transmission lurches into 3rd gear and you also sometimes hear a buzz from the transmission like driving on a rough road then replace the ATF completely, do a transmission line fluid exchange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by omkhan View Post
    For God sake, u should not suggest any 1 if u r not sure. This info is absolutely wrong and can damage irreversible loss to the transmission.
    Prosmatec is not CVT. Its just a conventional 4 speed auto transmission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziyad.ahmad.391 View Post
    1: DO NOT USE any other transmission fluid apart from honda ATF..honda has two varieties of ATF..one is DW-1 and other is Z-1..in pakistan and most honda dealerships we have Z-1 which is mineral and DW-1 is the newer generation synthetic one..both of them are intermixable so u can get any but i wuld recommend u stick to the one u were previously using...2: Yes 8th gen civics do have an external transmission filter that can be changed but honda does not mention to change it in their user manual and u shuld check out other dealerships where u can find the transmission filter..If u find it replace it and do also let me know from which dealership and for how much u found it..i wuld recommend again that u change it...3: In my opinion and personal experience changing only the transmission fluid once or twice aftr 10-15 thousand kms will rid u of the problem..if it doesnt let me know il help u further...
    Bro DW1 is surely new & better but it's not synthetic.
    Also u would never want to try it in 90's transmission like 89 Accord & dolphin Civic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noomanghori View Post
    Bro DW1 is surely new & better but it's not synthetic.
    Also u would never want to try it in 90's transmission like 89 Accord & dolphin Civic.

    that would be fantastic, aka, complete kaam tamaam, full overheated n farigh gheyrbuxa
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    Honda has two type of ATF 1.ATF-Z1 2.ATF-DW-1 See images
    Honda ATF-Z1 Price: 1250 Per Liter
    Honda ATF-DW1 Price: 1440 Per Liter
    Honda Civic Reborn 3Liter need to ATF Change and recommend ATF-Z-1
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    buy 7 liters and change out all the ATF from the cooler line, the new civic uses dw1 as it provides extreme slushy shifts (its programmed to use it) Z-1 has a bit more "friction" meaning it catches faster than DW1.

    The 2.4 or 3 litres that you remove from the drain bolt is the residual in in the case, the other half of it is stuck in the torque converter and accumulator pistons. Cooler line pumping removes all nearly all ATF
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    @Xulfiqar
    Which gear oil is good for a JDM honda civic hybrid 8th gen 2006 model?
    As I believe it's CVT transmission, will Honda's CVT-C transmission fluid in it properly?



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    As Xulfiqar sir said use atf z-1..and make sure u put in exactly 2.4 litres not more than that..overfilling and underfilling are equally harmful
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sk_KingpiN View Post
    @Xulfiqar
    Which gear oil is good for a JDM honda civic hybrid 8th gen 2006 model?
    As I believe it's CVT transmission, will Honda's CVT-C transmission fluid in it properly?



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    Quote Originally Posted by ziyad.ahmad.391 View Post
    As Xulfiqar sir said use atf z-1..and make sure u put in exactly 2.4 litres not more than that..overfilling and underfilling are equally harmful

    where was that written,

    I said to use ATF DW1 and change out all the 6 or 7 litres of ATF in the gearbox.
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    @Xulfiqar

    I have civic 99 vti oriel automatic and I put ATF-Z1. On the next atf change can I consider ATF-DW1? Which is better DW1 or Z1?

    Also please mention the complete procedure for taking out/flushing all old fluid completely from tranny -considering my car model.
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