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    Default Civic Ring. OIL reduction problem.

    The car is a honda civic 97 VTI 180 k done

    the car starts to burn oil
    when i drive my car above 100. CONTINOUSLY.
    the oil level also gets reduced.

    no temperature increase.no performance decrase.


    but when i dont drive my car above 100 km/h or (rpm above 3.3 ) for a long time the oil does 1400 some times 2500 kms.


    one thing more.

    when i start the engine from cold.
    its gives whitish smoke with mist and some times water droplets(wich icreses with increse in rpm) from the exhast muffler.

    and after running for some kms it gets fine.


    does the car have a piston ring problem.

    or oil ring problem ( are these rings seperate things or same thing with different name.)


    how can i rectify the problem.

    what is the cost of new oil rings and pistons rings.


    is this a BIG job will the engine be disassmeled competly.

    any specialist for this job in lahore,

    i asked the pit sho mechanic .

    the mechanic told me that it will take 2000 to change the rings(now i dont know about wich rings he was talikg about)
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    180K is enough for the old piston rings now they need replacement. The best place to get them change is Honda pit as these are EFI cars and if anything goes wrong to any computerized engine part by ordinary mechanics you will be in trouble as these cars has very expensive computer control units.
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    man u need to change the piston ring and for that honda pit shop is best no idea about the price soory for that
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    Past cant be brought back ..but future can be made even better than the Past..if one wants to.. ....

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    Hi Bro,
    1. Any piston in a car engine has rings around it that help it to travel up/down in the cylinder bore. One of them is called the Oil Ring. They usually need replacement after some time but 180k (112.5k Miles) isn't necessary their max life. But it depends on many diff factors. U'll see blue smoke coming out of the muffler if the oil rings are bad or if ur engine needs an overhaul. (Thats just an early indicator though).
    2. Since u mentioned that there is no loss in performance etc but u notice this oil loss after driving at higher speeds may I suggest that u do a regular oil checkup after normal city driving as well? A drop in oil levels is NORMAL. Modern Oils are different from those used in older cars and they do get consumed in normal driving as well. What u can do is to check the oil level regularly for a couple of weeks and that will tell u if ur oil consumption is excessive or not. The best way to check - that I can think of right now, is to check the cylinder pressure. It should be lower than orignal specs but it should not be different for all cylinders. (Again a 10-15 units different between cylinders is NORMAL). U have a high mileage car so keep that in mind as well.
    3. The white smoke coming out of the tail pipe in early mornings and at cold starts is normal as well. The engine is just letting out the moisture that it took out from the air in the injection system. No need to worry about it. I hope u let the engine light go out before u push the starter. That indicates that the sensors for the injection system have correctly read the atm pressure and tuned the mixture accordingly. Its a good habit !

    And yes, if u have to change the Oil rings, the engine needs to be taken apart. It can become quite costly when u open up the engine as various other components might need to be changed during this time as well. Good Luck.

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    thanx MSKhan18

    THANX BUDDY 4 ur comprehensive reply

    WHAT ABOUT THE valve seals

    Installing new valve guide seals can often reduce oil burning dramatically. An engine that sucks a quart of oil every few hundred miles may be able to go several thousand miles without using any oil with a new set of valve guide seals.
    (got it from here http://www.aa1car.com/library/us697.htm)

    can this figure out the problem with dissassmebling the engine.

    the repair and service manual says valve seals can be changed without removing the cylinder head.
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    Hello I totally agree with mskhan18. a comprehensive reply and thats nice to be considerate.
    I would like to add a few things as well.
    1. An engine giving white smoke and water in the tail pipe is in excellent condition.
    2. To check for oil consumption check the conditions of the spark plugs after hard driving. In case of weak oil rings there should be oil on the plugs.
    3. There is a pipe coming out of the tappet cover and going in to the air filter box. Remove the pipe after hard driving and observe for bluish smoke which is a sign of worn out valve seals and leaking valves.
    You may also check the air filter box for oil traces.

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    @farooq

    1. An engine giving white smoke and water in the tail pipe is in excellent condition.

    this point mentioned by u is also in my mind.
    how can a engine be showing signs og a good engine while
    reducing oil.


    a friend told me to diagnose the problem by doin this

    )warm up the engine.
    )then rev it .
    )after this let it run on idle for 4-5 minutes,(let the oil slip down from the pistons)
    )then drive the car by pressing the full race pedal.(jack rabbit start)
    )if u(or some standing behind the car) see a stream smoke then its a valve seal problem.

    will try this out.

    i will try this today.
    Past cant be brought back ..but future can be made even better than the Past..if one wants to.. ....

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