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    Hey all,

    Got delivery of an Altis a few days back. Had'nt come across any in depth reviews while I was thinking of purchasing one, so figured that the following review, however subjective, may be of some use and interest to those who are thinking of buying the Altis and to others.

    Comparisons to other vehicles are to vehicles which I have driven. Technically, I am a lay-person. Also, all statements are subjective and are not meant to be categorical; to each their own.

    Car under review: Toyota Corolla Altis, manual transmission, colour: flaxen mica.

    Exterior: Well, most of you will have seen the exterior. Not much different from the GLI except for the fog lamps, side skirts and chrome inserts in the side mouldings. Nevertheless, I think it looks great, especially in this colour. The addition of rims and new tires though, makes a world of a difference to the overall look of the car. I went straight from the dealership to the tyre shop (Khan Tyres, Melody Market, Islamabad--excellent service once you get to know the owner). Got sporty (but not too flashy) 15 inch five spoke rims and 205/60 Yokohama ES 100s. The new rims and tires have greatly enhanced the look of the car--its a pity Corolla doesn't have these as standard. However one point to note is that while the Inidan Corolla has a whole host of features, alloys, and a great front grill (same one as the imported Camry), the average price of a fully loaded manual Indian Corolla is upwards of 14.7 lacs. While not completely exonerating Indus Motors, our far lower price is some small comfort.

    Interior: Almost identical to that of the now defunct SE Saloon. Personally, I didn't find the imitation wood finish to be too jarring/obviously fake. The quality of the plastics, while not as good as that of the Civic, seems to have improved. The centre piece of the interior is the Pioneer audio deck. Excellent show piece, and draws oohs and aahs from passengers where the rest of the interior fails to. Driving position is comfortable. Leg room space is also quite decent. Overall the interior cabin appears to be roomier than similar class sedans. Contrary to other comments I have read, road and other exterior noise is fairly subdued. Engine noise does intrude, especially during acceleration, though this may be to the liking of some people.

    Driving/handling/acceleration/braking etc.: Before going into the details, let me say that the Corolla does not dissappoint in this area. The engine of the Altis is spectacular in terms of its delivery while you're driving. The car responds to the slightest touch on the acceleration pedal. Power delivery is there at most speeds, level of rpms. The car surges forward when you press the accelerator whether its running at 2200 rpm in 3rd or at 3600 rpm in 4th. Its a new car so I have'nt pushed it too much but it does do 0-100 kph in under 10 secs (but above 9). Handling wise the change in tires/rims have made a huge difference. Driving the Altis from the dealership to the tyre shop felt at times like trying(but failing)to tame a wild bull. The car seems to be too heavy and powerful for the original spec tyres. With the new tyres and rims, driving the car is a pleasure. Cornering, switching lanes at speed is done assuredly. Also, breaking is excellent. Braking in the SE Saloon, XLI and GLI is terrible. This was a major concern for me, while deciding to buy the Altis, but after a test drive, my fears were allayed. Braking is at least as good as in the Vti. However, I feel the Civic Vti is a more intuitive handling experience--the car works with you from the start, and even a novice driver will appreciate the ease with which that car handles. The Altis, with the new rims and tires, is a great driving experience, but unlike the Vti, it is more a matter of getting to know the car and its limits and taming the beast.

    Passenger comfort, front seat and back seat, far exceeds that of the Civic Vti. To date, passengers of both sexes and all ages have told me how they prefer the ride comfort (especially in the back seat) of a Corolla. The ride comfort has handling impications, but as stated above, the Altis is a rewarding and fun drive.

    Overall, I am of the view that the Altis is a great buy, when compared to other cars available in the Pakistani market. A point to note though is that since my firm will be paying for the petrol and maintenance of the car, I did not consider these otherwise important factors.

    I hope the above was useful and informative to whatever extent. Take care y'all.


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    spectra:
    No. But I do know of the firm...and its always good to have at least one frind who is a lawyer!...you never know....

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    alas!! I have friends and Lawyers but not friend laywer!

    soa sunhar ki, aik lohar ki!

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    @YasserY

    Thanks for the info. yes i test drove the car before booking and i also felt that the grip was quiet shaky. also the car was skidding during hard acceleration.

    so i am gonna replace the tyres as per your advise. however most tyre dealers are recommending either 195/65-R15 or 195/60-R15 tyres for Altis. not sure which one to go for? did u come across a similar situation? can u please advise?

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    Congratulations on ur new ride and thanx for sharing ur experience with us. I just wanted to ask whether the installtion of non-OEM tyres & rims would void the warrantee in anyway or not? Enjoy!

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    Well about the fuel consumption it should be around 11KM/L with the manual. I have an automatic and its fuel consumption varies from a Max of 10.68KM/L to Min of 9.14 KM/L.
    After reading a lot of reviws here I have settled for 14" tires. 205/65/R14.They are Nexen N5000 and pretty excellent tires. However I will recommend any one else to have 195/65/R14 as 205 are slightly out of the edge of the bottom of the car body.
    Though they provide much better road grip however all the dirt goes to the back bumper of the car due to the small size of Mud-Flaps.
    If you walk away from your car and don't look back, you have bought the wrong car.

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    sprinter:


    mazher:
    195/60 is closer to your original tire diameter, which means that among other things, your gear ratios will not be affected as much, impact on petrol consumption will be minimal and your speedometer will be off by just 3.2% (as opposed to 6.4% for 195/65s). Nevertheless, the difference between the two is not that great.

    One reason for preferring 195/65 over 195/60 is to have a higher tire sidewall height, which should cushion your ride a bit better...a relevant concern with the condition of our roads.

    Personally, I ended up putting 205/60s for the look and because the impact on petrol and speedometer readings was not a huge concern for me. Also, while my acceleration may have suffered a bit, I'm a family man, so no biggie!

    I believe that general tyres are prone to skidding due to the hardness of the compound used compared to foreign made high performance tyres. The grip of my car with the new tires is excellent, even compared to the Civic. I have confirmed this since driving my father-in-laws Vti in Karachi today!

    As I have already stated, I am (relatively) a technical lay person, so please chip in y'all if you feel I am incorrect or that you can contribute additional info.

    Mehran:
    I am out of town till Monday night and so do not have access to any of the relevant documentation. Will fill you in if no one else does by then.

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    Xain:
    Sticking with 14inch rims does make it easier to increase the width of the tires and stay close to the original tire diameter, however, one does compromise a bit in terms of handling as well as the look of the car. Your point about mud splashes hitting the rear bumper is well taken...though the mud is not so easy to see if your car's colour is flaxen mica! And the problem can be remedied by daily washes or changing the mud flap.

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    @spectra, seems we have some ppl in common, especially lawyers

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    to replace tyres and rims option given in indus coroola manual book is 195/60/15 corolla has same size in india an usa.

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    @Robin
    are u reffering to barre Kundi sahab or Chotte Kundi sahab
    Keep a cool head and wear seatbelts!

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    @ YasserY
    I fully agree that with 14" one compromises a lot on the looks.
    About handling I am not sure.
    Please read the following thread
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forumreply_az_TopicID!10244~ForumID!1~pw.html
    If you walk away from your car and don't look back, you have bought the wrong car.

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    @spectra: both of them, AK Kundi is a close friend of my father. i guess, for 30~35 years

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    ALTIS is cool, but i aint got engough money to go for it...
    could you tell me the best buy in 11 lakh including all the costs (tyres, rims, registration and bla bla)

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    @shoaibss

    can u please advise in which manual is the recommended tyre size given for corolla? is it the manual that comes with the car? or some other manual?

    i am getting delivery of my altis next week and would like to have information on recommended tyre/rim sizes as i am looking to change them.

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    @mazhar yes thats the maual which comes with the car. indian corolla has same size 195/60/15/

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    mazher and shoaibss:
    The tyre specification is 185/65 R14 and is set out at page 218 of the Corolla Owner's Manual (which comes with the car). Hence, the orig spec tyre does differ from those offered in other countries. Some of the reasons have been set out in the thread mentioned by xain.

    xain:
    There are numerous technical aspects to this issue, however, speaking purely from the perspective of having driven the Altis with orig spec and then modified tires/rims, the mods offered a much better handling experience.

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    yasserY; to replace tyres options given in corolla manual book are 195/60/15 at page no.186

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    @YasserY

    i got delivery of my Altis last week. its manual in flaxen mica colour. as per your advice, i have changed rims to 15" toyota 6 spoke and tyres to yokohama ES-100 205/60-15.

    the cars grip feels quiet re-assuring with these tyres and the brakes are good too. also i think these tyres play a role in the ride quality also as it is much better now and the bumps are hardly noticeable.

    the part i like most is the acceleration. with more than ample torque in lower revs and exciting HP in the upper revs, the car picks up speed very rapidly. also the smoothness of the engine and the sound insulation adds to the pleasure.

    I earlier bought a new civic whose pickup increased once it touched about 2,500kms.
    i wanted to ask u if u experienced a similar phenomena with Altis. Did u feel an increase in pickup after having driven a few thousand kms.
    please advise.

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    @mazher

    I'm glad you feel an improvement in the drive and handling of the car. And yes, the acceleration is excellent-unparalleled as compared to any other locally assembled sedan. Am still just at around 900 km on the odometer so can't really comment on the acceleration improving after 2,500 km.

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    YasserY...

    Good luck and many hours of happy drivingin your new car.As far as the price you have mentioned for the corolla in India....here is a price list from Toyotabharat.com , Toyota's official website in India...and these prices do not include discounts and incentives offered by dealers in India...

    http://www.toyotabharat.com/forms/price.asp

    Have a good weekend!!





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    Sl. No. Grade Model Ex-Showroom Price Rs.
    1 H1 1.8J 976,410
    2 H2 1.8E 1,073,480
    3 H2 Metallic 1.8E 1,077,360
    4 H3 1.8G 1,136,550
    5 H3 Metallic 1.8G 1,140,430
    6 H4 1.8G 1,200,480
    7 H4 Metallic 1.8G 1,204,360
    8 H5 1.8E 1,137,600
    9 H5 Metallic 1.8E 1,141,480
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