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    Salamz all......!

    As the title refers we're planning to get my Dad's Altis 2009 CNG'd. Mileage 28K done. Fuel average is 10-12 km/l during city cruising and 13-14km/l during long routes.

    As we changed our home last week which is qiute far from my dad's office so his daily journey becomes about 75-80 kms in city. Honestly,this daily drive on sky rocketed prices of petrol gives him a very hard time on his pocket. So plz @ Pakwheelers kindly suggest:-

    1. Is CNG feasible with 1.8 Altis?

    2. If it is.....! Then what would be its estimate cost?

    3. Where is the best place to convert to CNG in rwp/isb?

    4. What average does Altis gives on CNG?

    Thnx.

    Anxiously awaiting replies.

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    I dont know whether cng will be successful in this model?
    however it was really successful in previous models before 2009!

    btw due to gas load shedding, if there is no cng in the market then whats the use of gettin it cngied?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mindless048 View Post
    Salamz all......!

    1. Is CNG feasible with 1.8 Altis?

    2. If it is.....! Then what would be its estimate cost?

    3. Where is the best place to convert to CNG in rwp/isb?

    3. What average does Altis gives on CNG?

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    1. As per my reckoning, the new Altis has the same engine as that of previous one, 3ZZ....IF so, then yes CNG is perfectly ok with this car

    2. estimate cost gonna be around 43-45k if u get it converted from a gud shop

    3. best place....eerr...m not too sure, but i wud say Al-Mubarik guys in G9/1 or G9/4 i guess....one of these sectors....i have always seen big cars getting converted from there, like mercs, parados, civics and altis etc

    4. Average...hmm..with a 60Kg cylinder, dont expect anything more than 110-115 km within city....and like 125-135 on long routes (if properly tuned)

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    @waleed
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    Thnx. Awaiting more positive replies.

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    I dont suggest 1.8 on CNG.
    get a 2nd car.
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    Cost benefit analysis reveals that you would need atleast 22-24,000km before you break-even on your investment (in CNG kit etc) and actually start saving money. This is ignoring other resultant costs such as higher engine maintenance after 50,000km and opportunity cost of time wasted in queues and periodic refilling compared to petrol.

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    I am just coming up from petrol station 482km done in 47 litres at cost of 3400 in altis automatic in city without a/c that turn out to be about 7rupees per kilometer ..........On gas i think you wud get about 3 to 3.5 rupees per kilometer ....for one lac kilometer it turns out to be 3.5 lac rupees ........Now rest assure your engine will need to be remade after one lac kilometer which if you use on petrol will last atleast 2 lac kilo meters ......you will need new shocks lot early than if you will drive without gas .....so cost for one lac kilometer on cng means initial cng cost plus about 50000 rupees(80000 rupees from authorised dealership)engine rebuilt and about 15000 for suspension ..... so roughly you will save about 2 lac rupees over a period of 3 years (100km daily drive)................also calculate the days where you will not have gas about 3 months atleast when you will be driving on petrol.....So although it is an individual decision and amount of 3 lacs look big but if you look minutely it really is about 2 lac rupees over 3 years and this means 273 rupees per day saving .....................................or make it 300 rupees per day saving ...........also time to almost refill every day ...........so it would be better if you sell altis and buy city which does about 13km/litre (my altis gives 10 which i used in above calculations ).........by selling altis and getting city you wud get 3 lacs which you can use for petrol.................Gas supply is going to get less atleast for next 3 years until we get it from some where .....

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    In previous Altis cng is very good and new has same engine as previous.So i dont think there will be any problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    1. As per my reckoning, the new Altis has the same engine as that of previous one, 3ZZ....IF so, then yes CNG is perfectly ok with this car

    2. estimate cost gonna be around 43-45k if u get it converted from a gud shop

    3. best place....eerr...m not too sure, but i wud say Al-Mubarik guys in G9/1 or G9/4 i guess....one of these sectors....i have always seen big cars getting converted from there, like mercs, parados, civics and altis etc

    4. Average...hmm..with a 60Kg cylinder, dont expect anything more than 110-115 km within city....and like 125-135 on long routes (if properly tuned)
    Previous altis gives 150+ km on long routes and 120km easily.Dont know about new one.

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    @ SARS

    nice analysis.. But it's not like that after 1 lac km u have to overhaul ur complete engine.. Corolla has non adjustable tappets ( similarly like se saloon and vitz) and due to Cng they got jammed. It's repair cost you around 20k from company dealership..

    Recently one of my friend face this problem in his 2003 se saloon ( automatic) after 2.5 lac kms on odo.. And it cost him 12k for repair..

    As far as Cng on Altis.. My cousin's 2007 altis auto transmision has done 120k and still going good mashahAllah.

    But it's simply onwer's choice if he want to install Cng on not.. If a person can afford petrol then nothing is like that..

    I recently have installed Cng in my 2010 gli from Toyota Gt and cost me 45k.
    Just use original landirenzo emulator and advancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sars View Post
    I am just coming up from petrol station 482km done in 47 litres at cost of 3400 in altis automatic in city without a/c that turn out to be about 7rupees per kilometer ..........On gas i think you wud get about 3 to 3.5 rupees per kilometer ....for one lac kilometer it turns out to be 3.5 lac rupees ........Now rest assure your engine will need to be remade after one lac kilometer which if you use on petrol will last atleast 2 lac kilo meters ......you will need new shocks lot early than if you will drive without gas .....so cost for one lac kilometer on cng means initial cng cost plus about 50000 rupees(80000 rupees from authorised dealership)engine rebuilt and about 15000 for suspension ..... so roughly you will save about 2 lac rupees over a period of 3 years (100km daily drive)................also calculate the days where you will not have gas about 3 months atleast when you will be driving on petrol.....So although it is an individual decision and amount of 3 lacs look big but if you look minutely it really is about 2 lac rupees over 3 years and this means 273 rupees per day saving .....................................or make it 300 rupees per day saving ...........also time to almost refill every day ...........so it would be better if you sell altis and buy city which does about 13km/litre (my altis gives 10 which i used in above calculations ).........by selling altis and getting city you wud get 3 lacs which you can use for petrol.................Gas supply is going to get less atleast for next 3 years until we get it from some where .....
    sorry....dont agree with u at all bro...we had a corolla XE 98...driven all the way from 1000 kms onwards tilll we sold it around 1,20,000 km. the engine was PERFECT despite the fact it was run always on CNG....shocks were equally gud, never repaired, never replaced...its just a myth boss, trust me....i have a platz now, done almost 80,000km, again, from 17k onwards when i bought it, all the way on CNG...in extreme weathers, the summers of sibi jacobabad with AC on and 4 ppl in it and boot filled, and to sub zero temperatures in quetta, ziarat and naran...never ever a single problem, no smoke, no nothing...on petrol it still hits 155-160 with 4 ppl in it...i personally just do not believe that CNG harms an engine...cause i have personal experiences at my own home

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    @waleed80 and umfa85


    Bro about the thing which involves tappets gettting jammed and then repairing it yes the official dealership also informed me that they can try getting them repaired at cost of 25000 thousand or 20000(cannot recall amount ) but he said it is a chance they might get alright or may not get ok and you have to go through engine rebuilt .According to their head technician (toyota walton) life of corolla on cng is about 1lac kilo meter on average ....i personally drove 1995 1.6gli on gas from 150000km(installed at this mileage) to 250000 km(when car overheated due to cooling fan getting disconnected ) i do not know how much cng contributed ..but frequently had to change shocks of that car it was in 2005/2006 period gas back then was easily available....but now with load shedding of gas i personally find gas not feasible for me..........As you guys have mentioned that you were able to drive car more than 1 lac that's good but if you search you would even find people who say that their new engines got damaged even at 50000 km......So personally although i also don't like paying for petrol i have decided to remain away from Gas ...
    Above calculation were just rough idea and even if i remove costs and say the difference is 3.5 lacs over 3 years(1000 days for one lac kilometer) i would like to sell altis for smaller car like gli or city and have driving pleasure of petrol .....However its owner's choice if he feels it he can FLY even 747 on CNG who am i to pass any judgment rather in india their is official CNG altis available but in that car they have modified suspension to compensate for weight .............
    NEW AND OLD altis have same engine 1zzfe (but new altis produces less hp for better fuel economy )where as 3zz fe was in se saloon

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    New rolla has no problems until like 100k km if you drive a few kilometers on petrol daily.
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    @SARS

    yup bro you re right and PLZ dont go for GLI and city after have search a nice Car.. you dont like GLI or city on petrol after driving Altis even on CNG ...

    Wesay toyota is now change 1.8 version with 1.6 Altis... it will be a nice car to have. theyll launch in mid of this year..

    Actually the difference between Petrol and CNG is so high that if i'm confirm that after 1 lac ma car engine going to be F--ked up still i'll go for CNG and yah close my eyes .. As for me 1 lac km means almost 4 to 5 years so in that time i'll try to change my ride before something bad happens... Previously i have 2006 corolla and it run good on CNG for about 90k km and also few 2005 6 model corolla of my office done 300k plus on CNG ( with bad maintenance) but going good... As in case of GLI 1.3L engine of 2006 and 2010 is same except from VVTI and electronic throttle. so hoping for best results..... just praying everything will remain fine

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    No harm in getting CNG in your Altis, but remember it is a dying fuel, shortages have already started showing their ugly head this winter so hard, even there is no gas for cooking and heating at homes. I fear that in next winters we will have complete CNG holiday and in summers too loadshedding of natural gas will start.

    I think if you want to keep the car in warranty get it installed from your authorised 3S dealer. If warranty is not important for you go to "Compressed Gas international workshop, Plot# 93-E, St 7, I-01/3 (051-4445130), It is behind the CNG station in front of Suzuki Motors showroom. They have original stuff and the mech Salman Shah his the best. I installed CNG (original Landi kit and Landi emulator and advancer) in March 2008 in my Xli and Al-hamdolillah have never faced a single problem since then and the pick is just like if not equal to petrol.

    But keep in mind (also all those planning to get CNG installed in cars)

    Most of our industry when faced with electric loadshedding installed their own power plants and now running those power plants on natural gas, which has caused tremendous shortage of gas. Now even in summer when there will be huge electricity loadhsedding, more and more gas fired private power plants, generators will be installed all over the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by autophile View Post
    No harm in getting CNG in your Altis, but remember it is a dying fuel, shortages have already started showing their ugly head this winter so hard, even there is no gas for cooking and heating at homes. I fear that in next winters we will have complete CNG holiday and in summers too loadshedding of natural gas will start.

    I think if you want to keep the car in warranty get it installed from your authorised 3S dealer. If warranty is not important for you go to "Compressed Gas international workshop, Plot# 93-E, St 7, I-01/3 (051-4445130), It is behind the CNG station in front of Suzuki Motors showroom. They have original stuff and the mech Salman Shah his the best. I installed CNG (original Landi kit and Landi emulator and advancer) in March 2008 in my Xli and Al-hamdolillah have never faced a single problem since then and the pick is just like if not equal to petrol.


    But keep in mind (also all those planning to get CNG installed in cars)

    Most of our industry when faced with electric loadshedding installed their own power plants and now running those power plants on natural gas, which has caused tremendous shortage of gas. Now even in summer when there will be huge electricity loadhsedding, more and more gas fired private power plants, generators will be installed all over the country.

    Thats bitter trurth

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    @Autophile
    totally agreed.....

    and for own record, this is my 4000th post hehehee

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    Quote Originally Posted by autophile View Post
    If warranty is not important for you go to "Compressed Gas international workshop, Plot# 93-E, St 7, I-01/3 (051-4445130), It is behind the CNG station in front of Suzuki Motors showroom. They have original stuff and the mech Salman Shah his the best.
    They stoped installing new Kits, because of non availibility of orignal stuff.
    I am an old visitor of shah G and installed CNG from him in my previous 3 vehicles and never ever had any problem never need to tunned them again, but now they only tune and service,
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeTdEaMoN View Post
    They stoped installing new Kits, because of non availibility of orignal stuff.
    I am an old visitor of shah G and installed CNG from him in my previous 3 vehicles and never ever had any problem never need to tunned them again, but now they only tune and service,
    Oh that is sad. Now I have no one to recommend for genuine stuff, however, the mechanic is so good. I remember the kit sellers were really very honest people and fair in dealing, one rate, no bargaining, 1 number stuff.
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