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    hello,,i am back in pindi with my second trip of M2 and M3 on my new xli,,,,,i posted the experience of my first trip to lahore ,,,,,,now here is a biggest highlight of my second trip,,,,,,,my new xli,,sways and lurches like a suzuki Fx while crossing a truck or a bus at speed of 120 and higher,,,,,and guess what happened on River Swan bridge close to islamabd on M2,,,,,,as soon as i entered the bridge at speed of 125 km/hr,,,,the car suddenly went out of control and it swayed to the left in a dangerous way,,,this was without applying any brake,,,i slowed down the car by applying brakes and afterwords never crossed 110km,till reaching islamabad,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the car is with stock tyres,,,someone tell why it happened???????
    nothingh last forever,,even cold november rain.

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    not only toyota, but every other car assembled in pak comes with general tyres....only exception i know is CIVIC VTi which comes with Dunlop Lemans
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    @FLi_GTi

    You said and I quote "You're absolutly correct about the V grooved pattern being nect to useless in the dry and on our roads even in the wet "
    Thats what started the whole discussion.

    anyways, here are some links for you to check out:

    http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2003/10/16/170808.html

    http://www.consumersearch.com/www/automotive/tires/fullstory.html

    http://www.blackcircles.com/tyres/goodyeartest

    Quoting from the first link:

    If you look at conventional tires, the horizontal grooves in the tread are usually interrupted by cross groove patterns. This means tire-road contact is broken at regular intervals.

    "But with Eagle F1, the tread runs uninterrupted from shoulder to shoulder -- much like a racing tire -- targeting that in both straight driving and cornering, there is always a very large contact area on the road," Toth said.

    In addition, the centerline, which also runs continuous, delivers a direct, "sporty" steering feel, he added




    So they are not mediocre but extremely good in the wet and also in the dry.

    And please post that survey link you were talking about.


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    Sigh!
    They are not mediocre because an "independant magazine" says so?
    Tell you what. You bring your car with them Radials when you get them and i'll prove you wrong. I'll show you a conventional (directional) pattern will out-brake and out-perform the V-Grooves on our roads. Hows that for proof and then you can ridicule me to my face "if" i'm wrong. Arguing on the net is for noobs. So let it rest!
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    As far as the tread being uninterrupted from shoulder to shoulder to shoulder is concerned. Here's what it looks like (more or less) in a contact patch.
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    @all
    ok,,now that i have decided the size of tyre..i.e. 185/65/R14(this size is also written on doors of car),,,tell me about the best company,for example,,yokohama,,dunloop,,,goodyear........which one to choose??????

    i am a great believer that size and width of tyre should not be greater than as specified in manual.....


    i dont need any irrelevent advice,,,just tell me about the company plz.........................................
    nothingh last forever,,even cold november rain.

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    @FLi_GTi:
    Quite frankly, i agree righteously with what you've said here:
    "mediocre perfromance of V-grooved wet weather radials is compunded by the bad road conditions in Pakistan."

    @Jinn:
    What i said above was based on what i've felt & experienced during driving. Nothing theorectical. But when i shared this thing with other people they we all seemed to agree on the fact that more the number of linings better the grip and braking.

    More the number of straight lines, better the braking, grip, etc.
    This V type "the tread runing uninterrupted from shoulder to shoulder" actually lessens the grip, braking, cornering, etc.

    Today a 40 year old guy actually totaled his new EXi on the side partition. As i was passing by i felt my ethical and moral obligation to stop by and ask him if he was hurt. When i asked him what caused you to bang the car into the side wall, he told me that the turn wasn't near it was far and when i braked, the car skidded and it went skidding on the road for about 40 feet. The 4 Wheels Dics were actually helpless when a mere push on the brake pedal caused the wheels to jam due to slippery suface underneath.

    To further explain the straight line thing, consider this tyre, its better because of 4 linings that run straight throughout the tyre.

    dangerous swaying of my new xli -642718


    While this one isn't much better for cornering or lateral grip/braking because it has no linging apart from V linings to disperse water.

    dangerous swaying of my new xli -642719

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    @jinn

    i would like to support Fly_gti here coz i have had many expereinces with these directional tyres and conventional tires with High speed ratings

    i have found out that directional V tires perform very bad when installed on lighter vehicles like Xli, Mehran , Alto.

    this is due to the fact that a lot of dirt finds its way on roads here as compared to foreign (specially london) roads.

    now if a car is heavier (most probably a JDM) and has a proper size of these directional tires (unlike 16inch,17inch) than the car performs better but the difference between the road hugging factor isnt that great but cornering and feel gets better.
    if it,s raining then these tires are no doubt better then conventional treaded tires.

    Also there is a difference b/w the construction of roads here in PAK and abroad.
    we use finer grains as they are easier to level and handle during construction of roads as compared to rough grains / bigger grains of other roads.

    u can chk the difference b/w the Grainules of Peshawat motorway and lahore motorway.

    Islamabad peshawar m/way is composed of bigger grains that have more load bearing capacity and also provide good grip but road noise is enhanced a lot.
    the Islamabad / lahore m/way is vice versa.


    so i recommend mixed tread that Dunlop SP-Sport LM-702 is offering. it is kinda composition of both
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    "Dunlop SP-Sport LM-702"

    Thats what im using after the Eagle Ventura and im quite satisfied with them.

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    You said : "I did'nt say hey were bad for OUR roads. Read carefully. I said they were mediocre overall!"

    Then in the last post you say "I'll show you a conventional (directional) pattern will out-brake and out-perform the V-Grooves on our roads"

    Please decide first if the tires are the problem here or our roads. You're not sticking to one thing.

    And as for the brake test, thats not possible until you're doing it on a similar car with a similar tire. I'm getting 285 rears and 255 fronts, so if you have any car with the same tire width i'm ready to do that test.

    I wanted a healthy discussion but its heating up, so I wont praise these tires in front of you (as you dont beleive a few of the independent reviews I posted) until I test them myself .

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    You do that!
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    asd123 bhai my advice is to go for...
    dangerous swaying of my new xli -642722

    im myself using these...check out the fol link as well..
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forumreply_az_TopicID!19121~ForumID!10~page!2~pw.h tml
    sent from my HD2 without using the handset itself!!

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    @fli_gti

    yaar watever but plz refrain to the bull Sh*****. i know i shudnt be saying tht but it doesnt look good


    chill
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    Healthy debates are fine. Its your shitpicking thats annoying me.

    I said,
    "pattern being nect to useless in the dry and on our roads even in the wet."

    meaning the tire already has mediocre performance as it is and its helped to no end by our bad roads so resultantly, the deterioration. What are you, a stenotypist? I just thought you had more sense than to rely on mere verbosity. Our roads, their roads.
    You like the tires, good on ya keep em, i'm just voicing the facts.
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    Kkool.
    I'm afraid i don't understand? I havn't cussed anyone (yet)?
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    long discussion going on here my two cents are tread of tire is needed to handle water and other substance on road, apart from uneveness, and flat tire foot is to grip on road,, ofcourse the bigger the foot is more grip but keep in mind car weight counts,,

    i remember 20 years back in Switzerland i was discussing with some tire specialist this tire tread / road / snow etc, and ligher cars with narrow tires dig deep to grip the road through snow , water etc than wide tire on small car. but for speed purpose wide tire foot is better.

    we used to watch diffirent type of cars coming down from mountain roads back in Luzern Feb87, and it snowed a lot that season.

    hence to conclude all yr discussions, the bottom line,, buy tire according to yr need and use of the car, because diffirent types of treads will give diffirent result. wether its v shape or 4 lines i see lots of details all ready discussed here so no point for me to repeat
    ,,, unless you know the track, you're not good enough to sit behind the wheel." K T

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    @tech_wiz

    Basically, the more the contact patch, the more the grip.
    You would've heard the term racing slicks. They provide better grip than any road tire. Here's a picture:

    dangerous swaying of my new xli -642723


    Now, these tires with only 1 lining provide the best grip in dry as they have the maximum contact area. However, they are useless on the wet as they have no grooves to disperse water.

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    ....and everyone here knows the life of slicks.

    Moreover, we're discussing tyres for a 4 door commute car, used for taking the passengers from Point A to Point B with safety and fun.

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    after a couple of months,, my car frt tires will look like race tires,,, on above pic.
    ,,, unless you know the track, you're not good enough to sit behind the wheel." K T

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    @levin:

    "hence to conclude all yr discussions, the bottom line,, buy tire according to yr need and use of the car"

    Only if all people comprehended this thing, many of the common day-to-day problems would have been rectified on the spot.

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    @FLi_GTi

    well you're not listening to what i'm saiying and just blathering whatever comes in your mouth.
    And i'm not shitpicking, but was just trying to inform you that your statements are contradictory or else you need to take some english lessons.

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