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    Default Query about Security system and Immobiliser.

    Salam PWers!
    As we all have noticed recently that there has been a considerable increase in the theft of Corolla. In the past past 3 weeks, I have come across at least 7-8 cases of Corolla being stolen mostly from inside the house. My taya lost his brand new Altis outside his house in F-11 ISB.
    These incidents have compelled me to look for a rather durable and robust security system for my cars.
    Back in 1998, my father had this Suzuki Margalla which had 3 buttons placed conveniently at different locations in the car.
    After inserting the key in the ignition, these three buttons were needed to be pressed in a particular combination for the car to start.
    Now i am looking to install such a system in my car but with a lot more robustness. Therefore, i will appreciate it if experts here can pool in some suggestions in this thread to make such a system. At the end of the discussion, i expect that we might come up with durable system which will be immune to hot wiring the ignition.
    And how exactly does an immobiliser work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dangtepau View Post
    I have read this thread and summarize the following conclusions (correct if I am wrong):

    1. Installation of aftermarket immobilizer (or whatever you all them) for Corolla involves tampering of electrical wiring to insert relay/switch which has two disadvantages. First a good thief can bypass relay/switch easily and secondly it voids the warranty.
    Corolla ECU cannot be re-programmed unless replaced by a hacked one.

    2. All kind of radios can be jammed and today's thief are well equipped... either it's a 2 way secure radio or any other, in case of jam it will not work at all.

    3. For TALA lock I am not sure and if someone claims it works please post photos.

    After all we pay for more than Rs. 1.7 million for a new Corolla and the Indus Motor Company doesn't even bother to introduce some unique security system for the car... they simply hand over simple keys and assume rest assured!

    Maybe some people know how to secure their Corolla but they will not speak on this forum as their method will be exposed and become vulnerable???
    Good question can be answered by rizwan400 as he has installed a security device


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    Quote Originally Posted by devilz_apprentice View Post
    After going through the entire line up of the security systems available in the market, I have come to the conclusion that all of them are simply useless. None of them is immune to hot wiring, including Steel Mate which is just a fancy security system working on the principle of every other PLC security system.
    Best of such security systems work on the basic principle of cutting off power via either tapping in the ignition or the fuel pump(similar to what a tracker does). However, such circuits can easily be bypassed by any amateur electrician. So they are pretty much useless.
    What can't be bypasses is tapping in directly in the ECU, that is disabling the ECU all together. And this is how OEM Immobilizers work. They simply disable the ECU if a key without the transponder is used to start the car.
    In the market, I have also seen wanna be immobilizers as well. Yet they work on the principle of tapping in the wiring of either fuel pump or ignition. So they are a no go as well.
    For now, I am relying on a steering lock and a typical high quality lock in the U-joint of the steering column. I know that can very well damage the U-joint but if one is careful while locking and uses the appropriate size, then nothing will happen to U-joint. Tri-Circle locks are useless as they can easily be opened via common keys. Better get a lock which is very uncommon in the market.
    no other solution for the corolla owners other than this... best analysis

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilz_apprentice View Post
    For now, I am relying on a steering lock and a typical high quality lock in the U-joint of the steering column. I know that can very well damage the U-joint but if one is careful while locking and uses the appropriate size, then nothing will happen to U-joint. Tri-Circle locks are useless as they can easily be opened via common keys. Better get a lock which is very uncommon in the market.
    I agree for a good quality steering lock... but lock in the U-joint of the steering column could damage U-joint and that could be done by the thief and not the owner.
    Other thing for a backup safety is to install a separate/hidden GSM+GPS tracker with an App (not the one installed by insurance or tracking companies)... you send SMS to the tracker and it starts sending back coordinates which can be displaced on an App with offline map on your smart phone... but then again GPS and GSM can be jammed.

    Anyone knows where to buy steering locks with magnetic keys?

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    DIG:
    When I bought my car, previous owner removed the keyless entry so I only have central locking system with motors installed in all doors. That also was not working and I found it occidentally when I removed door card. Then I opened the plastic panel under steering to find out a central locking box and 2 plugs which were probably attached with keyless system. As I have fixed all the motors and wiring, now I want to install keyless so I guess I can do a DIY but question is which one to buy as already have central locking installed.
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    Toyota now offering Corolla with immobilizers question is how good would they be
    Let the good times roll

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    Quote Originally Posted by RahatMallick2003 View Post
    Toyota now offering Corolla with immobilizersquestion is how good would they be
    Now thieves would learn to steal cars with immobilizers

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    Quote Originally Posted by 512a View Post
    Now thieves would learn to steal cars with immobilizers

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    Thieves have to carry a whole ecu along with ignition system to install it first and then take away the car...
    Car with immobilizer cannot be stolen but can be snatched...

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    Quote Originally Posted by abid110 View Post
    Thieves have to carry a whole ecu along with ignition system to install it first and then take away the car...
    Car with immobilizer cannot be stolen but can be snatched...

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    Saw some posts about how ECU can be flashed from a OBDII port and now I am thinking really the best way is to recite Ayat-ul-Kursi on it and pray for the best. Allah kare chor ki motorcycle "penchar" ho jaye
    Let the good times roll

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    Quote Originally Posted by RahatMallick2003 View Post
    Saw some posts about how ECU can be flashed from a OBDII port and now I am thinking really the best way is to recite Ayat-ul-Kursi on it and pray for the best. Allah kare chor ki motorcycle "penchar" ho jaye
    Its not that easy...balkay near to impossible to do it quickly..and the time factor is vital for chor...they have to bypass ecu+immobilizer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by abid110 View Post
    Its not that easy...balkay near to impossible to do it quickly..and the time factor is vital for chor...they have to bypass ecu+immobilizer...

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    Plus I hope the thieves here are not smart enough to perform these procedures, they do look a little tricky
    Let the good times roll

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