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    Default Mysterious oil drops, HELP

    Hello, my 2006 Altis has for the past 4 months been showing mysterious oil drops under the engine. i used a tissue paper on a cardboard box to see the colour of the oil and it was light brownish. after a month i showed it to two different mechanics they said power steering pump is leaking, i took it to toyota rawal motors they said engine timing seal is leaking and they will open up the whole engine fix the seal with Silicone! and replace the timing belt etc take one day leave car.

    now the funny thing was during this time i had been observing all the oil levels very closely and neither the engine oil or power steering oil had dropped even a mm. i then took it to lahore and back on motorway and again none of the levels moved even a mm and the oil drops actually stopped after the long drive for a few weeks. later i had the engine oil changed afterwards from mineral to semi synthetic and the level stayed still stayed constant. its been 4 months now and all fluid levels are exactly where they should be steering feels just as good engine is its usual so what could be the issue??
    car has only done 56000km and is driven once every 3 months on motorway and once a week around a block. mostly stands
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    by timing seal in this engine - it is usually meant "timing case gasket" which requires removal of the sump and also the valve cover along with all belt driven parts - then removing the cast and reapplying toyota FIPG, threebond 1208, loctite 5900 etc etc engine sealant.

    The oil seal hammered into it is for the crank pulley only.
    the toyota 3S did mention a long procedure for it but he talked about using silicone instead of toyota FIPG etc. and thats why i was put off currently its not bothering me as levels are fine and car is still rarely driven. ill take it to a toyota 3S in lahore as well to get another opinion. at least ill be mentally prepared. for now i guess its safe to run it as is until some level starts to drop
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    say the engine oil begins to drop, can i keep topping up with oil and avoid long distance journeys without going to the trouble of replacing the timing seal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    by timing seal in this engine - it is usually meant "timing case gasket" which requires removal of the sump and also the valve cover along with all belt driven parts - then removing the cast and reapplying toyota FIPG, threebond 1208, loctite 5900 etc etc engine sealant.

    The oil seal hammered into it is for the crank pulley only.
    the car was using toyota 10w30 oil in winter and toyota 20w50 oil in summer previously, the problem has been on for 4 months last month i replaced the oil with liqui moly 10w40 and its on of those oils for high milage cars and it said in its specifications pdf that it cares for all engine seals which including timing seal etc. in your knowledge any issue in using these type of oils especially in a low milage car. can this actually help to not let the leakage grow?. however since the problem developed and till now no reduction in any oil level so far
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    i did a lot of research my self and have traced the leak to the timing chain tensioner o ring. 1zzfe engines have a problem of leaking through timing chain o ring or the serpentine belt tensioner o ring. as far as i know its not a very big job to replace, won't require lifting or opening the engine, what are the hazards or driving with a very minor leak in the timing chain o ring tensioner?
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    why don't you crawl under the car with a bright light and check seepage instead of wasting time with tinbox mechanix

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    does the PCV valve have any relation to this? after how many km is the PCV valve normally changed and what are its symptoms
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    Quote Originally Posted by uzeemujeeb View Post
    why don't you crawl under the car with a bright light and check seepage instead of wasting time with tinbox mechanix
    like i have said before i have already put the car on a lift and had a look underneath, the seepage is originated from the lower left backside of the engine right around the area where the power steering pump and timing chain cover is
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    you got it right 1st change the PCV valve over the tappet cover n observe any seepage with 56000 km only ( if it is original & not tampered by 1st owner ) start with change of PCV valve & afterwards go for compression test 1st cyclinder ring or choked oil strainer in oil sump possible culprit for seepage from crank "O" seal

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    Checked the PCV valve it was fine i could hear it ticking also checked the oil cap method, it sucks with great press at 1500 rpm and at idle the paper moves in a up down motion very quickly. What i have noticed is that the power steering reservoir bottle when engine running and car after being driven has bubbles visible inside it. So does that mean theres air in the system and its a power steering problem after all? the power steering level seemed to have slightly risen as well instead of leaking both when cold and hot. if there are bubbles in power steering reservoir how to fix them.
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    @Xulfiqar, please help,

    theres a slight humming noise when steering is turned and slight squeal at lock, moreover there are bubbles in the reservoir when engine is running, i had left it for a few months it was working and driving fine and fluid level wasn't decreasing, there was a occasional drop or two once 2-3 weeks,
    now theres a humming noise, is the pump bad? or can the o rings/seal be replaced, how long can i drive like this, the steering is still soft
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    @Xulfiqar, @capsat, @msabbasi, kindly help!

    can i use this oil as power sttering fluid in my 06 altis with 1zz-fe, it says on the cap to use ATF Dexron II/III, this ATF is compatible with GM Dexron IIIH and says on the bottle can be used as hydraulic fluid, in steering systems, i only want to use it to top up the fluid, about 30-40ml

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    also please look at my last post and guide me about the problem thanks
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    With regards to using LiquiMoly ATF to top up the power steering I would say that, although, it is a great product you should avoid mixing different brands of fluids. That is a general rule I follow on all my cars. In your case, the car has just 56,000km so I am guessing it still has the original power steering fluid with which it left the factory. If that is the case, you could go down to the 3S Toyota place and buy yourself a bottle of the stuff they sell and use that to top up the fluid.

    With regards to the noise of the pump as you turn the steering from lock to lock, the slight noise of the pump and nothing to worry about. It is normal. However a loud whining/grinding noise indicates trouble. Not sure about the air bubles you have mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msabbasi View Post
    With regards to using LiquiMoly ATF to top up the power steering I would say that, although, it is a great product you should avoid mixing different brands of fluids. That is a general rule I follow on all my cars. In your case, the car has just 56,000km so I am guessing it still has the original power steering fluid with which it left the factory. If that is the case, you could go down to the 3S Toyota place and buy yourself a bottle of the stuff they sell and use that to top up the fluid.

    With regards to the noise of the pump as you turn the steering from lock to lock, the slight noise of the pump and nothing to worry about. It is normal. However a loud whining/grinding noise indicates trouble. Not sure about the air bubles you have mentioned.
    okay i would get the original fluid however i had a spare bottle of this and was keeping it in the trunk just in case of long journey any trouble happens, though there is only a very slight hum sometimes or sometimes a small quite screech if held at full lock not always, otherwise its makes no audible noise at all while moving and feels soft and fine,
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    Quote Originally Posted by arzaam.bhatti View Post
    okay i would get the original fluid however i had a spare bottle of this and was keeping it in the trunk just in case of long journey any trouble happens, though there is only a very slight hum sometimes or sometimes a small quite screech if held at full lock not always, otherwise its makes no audible noise at all while moving and feels soft and fine,
    Occasional screech or groaning noise at the extreme lock is normal.

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    My Altis 07 is manual and i don't have such issues my car is 85K driven.

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    salam sir how do i open a show room plzzz help me

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedraja1996 View Post
    My Altis 07 is manual and i don't have such issues my car is 85K driven.
    its probably because as my isn't driven the seal dried up and now has a minor leak sometime, if i drive on the motorway and back then no such problem it stops even dripping or noise for around a month before it reappears, so far its been 7 months still have not done anything about it but wanted to ask about the oil as a precaution
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    Quote Originally Posted by arzaam.bhatti View Post
    its probably because as my isn't driven the seal dried up and now has a minor leak sometime, if i drive on the motorway and back then no such problem it stops even dripping or noise for around a month before it reappears, so far its been 7 months still have not done anything about it but wanted to ask about the oil as a precaution

    What oil is it? PS, ATF or Engine Oil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedraja1996 View Post
    What oil is it? PS, ATF or Engine Oil?
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