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    Default 11th Gen Corolla (Hornet): An Unlucky Affair

    Introducing Corolla GLi 1.3 (Super ECT)
    Asalamoalikum respected PakWheel members and guests.
    Alhamdolillah, Allah has blessed me with this brand new car after I let
    Viper go to its next handler and keeper, after a very satisfying experience of a little over four years. With blessing from Allah (S.W) and friends like you, I hope to make this is a no-nonsense, extremely informative and enjoyable thread just like Viper. This cannot be possible without your support, appreciation, critique, guidance, sharing and participation. So hop in, like and subscribe.

    But, the driving experience has not been anything more than average. The only aspect in which this car stands out (at the moment in Pakistan) is its shape.

    Table of Contents
    1. Introduction and Background ------------------------------ Page 1
    2. Stark Naked Review (The Decision)---------------------- Page 1
    3. True Horror Story (On Fuel Consumption) -------------- Page 1
    4. Review (Exterior Styling, Build Quality)------------------- Page 2
    5. Aerodynamics Verification (Thanks @autophile) ------ Page 2
    6. Review (Interior Styling, Layout and Build Quality) --- Page 3
    7. Comparison Recap ------------------------------------------- Page 4
    8. Performance and Drive Quality ---------------------------- Page 4
    9. Final Thoughts and Wrap Up ------------------------------- Page 5
    10.Teaser Photos ------------------------------------------------- Page 5
    11. Fog Lamps (Options, Variety and Selection) ---------- Page 6
    12. Night Visibility Upgrade Philips CrystalVision -------- Page 7
    13. Decide Between White and Black Colours ------------ Page 7
    14. Stainless Scuff Plates (OEM Toyota) ------------------- Page 9
    15. Combo Utility / Multi Purpose Hook Dock ------------- Page 9
    16. Interior Photo Showing Some Changes --------------- Page 11
    17. Night Time Photography ----------------------------------- Page 11
    18. Fresh Update on Drive and Handling ------------------- Page 12
    19. Photography by @Spano's Galaxy Note 4 ------------ Page 12
    20. Steering Controls (Install Photos and Cost) ----------- Page 13
    21. GLi (Auto) Underpower Myth Busted -------------------- Page 13
    22. Hornet's Climb to Monal (Videos) ------------------------ Page 15
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    Quote Originally Posted by leroy_jenkins View Post
    Badly need a few more options in Pakistan and after this review I am even more confused about making a choice.
    If you want, we could discuss it over a phone call. The last part makes it pretty simplified, actually.


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    Quote Originally Posted by amerhassan View Post
    reminds me my college days .. i hate writeups... cant concentrate on a page for long time ...


    what is understand.. Nothing Bad for basic+ user..

    once my friend told me buy Suzuki Jimney when u will pass kalar kahar u will rule that Area.. I told i rarely use motorway so dont need car for only that purpose...

    live in city where ur daily need is 45-60 km/h speed with AC.. Make life easy and simple.
    Lastly Please dont expect Mercedes Characteristics from poor rola..like super suspension and etc..
    I understand, but I've tried to make it interesting with the element of humor. Not everyone likes to read. Its a very good family sedan. But buying a mid range car does not mean it should be stripped of slightly sportier feel. Heck, if other cars in its category can deliver the same, what's wrong with a Corolla. What is so hard for IMC to understand?


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    Sir apne zra bhi lehaaz nhn kya ... le li IMC ki literally :p
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    Education is the our attitude,language & behaviour with others in life............!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by autophile View Post
    @fouadbakht Nice detailed write up reflective of your true feelings. I knew from day one that you will never like Corolla. Had you chosen 1.6 you might not have encountered all those issues which are bothering you. Because now I have driven this car for nearly 3,000 kms and it has not disappointed me in any department.

    Brakes are awesome and the ABS has saved me from crazy cutting drivers who suddenly come from let and enter the lane in 45 degrees angle. In two and half months, there had been three near miss incidents and MashaAllah it handled them so well.

    I am still on Euros and will continue with them. I have driven this car up to 140 kms and it feels like just going at 80 kms, so gripping to the road and stable at that speeds and when floored at turning on of green signal the adrenaline rush is definitely triggered. I wished I had a loud exhaust because the way 1ZR-FE sounds and Aisin Warner Japanese transmission smoothly shifts gears is just exhilarating.

    I have driven a 2NZ-FE for 10 years and had been a calm and careful driver, but this 1.6 invites me to floor it, even at this age Just my two cents.

    Before parting just a stupid question. Have you driven a 1.6 yet or not. If yes then would like to have your take on that.

    Free Advice: Sell this if you find some well kept prosmatec 8th Gen till 10th Gen hits the market
    Thanks Masroor bhai. But the way we both see a 1.6 is probably the platforms from which we both are arriving, like me from an 8th Gen Civic. Also, the issue with this Corolla (less XLi due to absence of ABS) is not variant or trim specific. It's there across the entire line up which may possibly be less simulated in Grande CVT-i (so far the most advanced engine and transmission combo yet) primarily because suspension and rake of the car is same for all.
    The 1.6 is a better car, no denying that but (personally speaking) by what percentage to cost ratio? That is somewhat subjective. The thing is buying this model for a huge sum of money and then bringing it to your liking is not cost effective at all and not worth the money.
    Like I've already hammered, if IMC had not taken matters in the suspension department into its own hands, I would not not have been typing all this.
    The way I see it: Why would a car that is a generation apart arriving after the 8th Gen Civic (after 8 years) by one of the most reputable companies in the world be lacking in basic handling. The answer is: It doesn't lack but Hats off to IMC to screwing an otherwise good design.



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    Quote Originally Posted by aliusman420 View Post
    Nice write-up Fouad bhai, you have explained the things very well.......
    .......but don't be disappointed with the car. Sadly, we are at a serious lack of options in cars in Pakistan, and I mean brand new ones, because nothing beats the "zero meter" feel.

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    Beautifully explained. Yes I've heard that the handling and specially the acceleration of a Prius are absolutely lovable. Tyres will definitely play a major role in addressing the issue but a lot will be left to desire for due to the high COG and accompanying body roll.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadbakht View Post
    Thanks Masroor bhai. But the way we both see a 1.6 is probably the platforms from which we both are arriving, like me from an 8th Gen Civic. Also, the issue with this Corolla (less XLi due to absence of ABS) is not variant or trim specific. It's there across the entire line up which may possibly be less simulated in Grande CVT-i (so far the most advanced engine and transmission combo yet) primarily because suspension and rake of the car is same for all.
    The 1.6 is a better car, no denying that but (personally speaking) by what percentage to cost ratio? That is somewhat subjective. The thing is buying this model for a huge sum of money and then bringing it to your liking is not cost effective at all and not worth the money.
    Like I've already hammered, if IMC had not taken matters in the suspension department into its own hands, I would not not have been typing all this.
    The way I see it: Why would a car that is a generation apart arriving after the 8th Gen Civic (after 8 years) by one of the most reputable companies in the world be lacking in basic handling. The answer is: It doesn't lack but Hats off to IMC to screwing an otherwise good design.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Thinking View Post
    brother you need to visit me and have a ride in my 17 years old Margallah. it just delivers and grows on more and more every time i drive it (sometimes it stays parked for month ).

    a comprehensive write up. i told u, u r jeremy clarkson of pakistan. you think like him, think like a enthusiast exactly they way enthusiasts should. power windows or sun roofs never matter in the end.
    That's a huge compliment for a not-so-knowledgeable person like me. Prayers from friends like you is what keeps me going. Thanks again


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thinking View Post
    if you are gonna keep the ride, i think the direction would be to check and install axio springs. --> your research will help us too.

    also 16 rims with dunlop direzza or yokohama blue earth AE50. --> let me know if you are up for it. will share the details. i have been able to locate something appropriate.
    Great. What are we waiting for . Let's hear it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gitts070 View Post
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    ....................,,,,
    Anyways stay blessed and try to enjoy your ride. I know there is nothing to enjoy about it. LOL. still.......
    Very well said sir. You are very right in your post. I did carry out research before buying and apart from PakWheels, other people's experiences were very encouraging. While defying certain elements of Physics, people swore by its great handling. I should have known they were all referring to EPS lolz. Before an 8th Gen Civic, I had a 10th Gen Corolla. But I've understood and experienced first hand that the DNA of a car cannot be changed specially in the case of Civic and Corolla.
    Rest, Alhamdolillah I'm thankful to Almighty Allah for having blessed me with all this. I've been plying on Sohrab bicycles, FX Suzuki and public transports all my life in the not so distant past so, you get the point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by itsgumbys View Post
    A GLI 1.3 review to rule out corolla for lack of driving pleasure....hmm man you are missing sme thing. Not impressed.
    Driving pleasure is somewhat subjective. It's a combination of certain aspects / behavior of the car as perceived/anticipated by a driver keeping in view his likes or dislikes.
    But I like your style, you just made it sound so simply unnecessary lolz.


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    Quote Originally Posted by salash View Post
    I drive a grande , yes I also noticed some lack of control or unresponsiveness in the eps , but it improved when I changed my tires to 215-60-16. And road grip and handling around the corners is now near to perfect, plus pretty stable at high speeds. Brakes , I did not find any problem with them , they r pretty responsive.
    That is very informative.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadbakht View Post
    Very well said sir. You are very right in your post. I did carry out research before buying and apart from PakWheels, other people's experiences were very encouraging. While defying certain elements of Physics, people swore by its great handling. I should have known they were all referring to EPS lolz. Before an 8th Gen Civic, I had a 10th Gen Corolla. But I've understood and experienced first hand that the DNA of a car cannot be changed specially in the case of Civic and Corolla.
    Rest, Alhamdolillah I'm thankful to Almighty Allah for having blessed me with all this. I've been plying on Sohrab bicycles, FX Suzuki and public transports all my life in the not so distant past so, you get the point.


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    How do u compare 10th gen to 11 gen corolla in handling n suspension dept?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dms664 View Post
    It means the unusual rear tyre gap is not only sore to eyes but performance also.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haris.K View Post
    I couldn't agree more with your review. Although I drive the previous generation Corolla but I have had the experience to drive the 11th one as well, for quite some time.

    All I can assure is that you can not drive a Corolla confidently as you would drive a Civic, as soon as I hit above 80, I feel the car is telling me that it would be wiser to slow down, sucks.

    Corolla is good for the passengers in your car, considering its comfort and room but not very pleasing for the one driving it. I've decided to drive it until the launch of new City.
    Very well said Haris. In fact the same was told to me by @KamranAslam.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mubeenshahid View Post
    Though I .........

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    Very clearly explained Mubeen bhai. Crisp and to the point. Agreed with all the points.


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    so what you guys say
    city is more responsive in terms of handling and acceleration
    or corolla ?
    which car have got good driving pleasure ?
    FeeL YoUng DriVE YoUnG......

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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadbakht View Post
    Beautifully explained. Yes I've heard that the handling and specially the acceleration of a Prius are absolutely lovable. Tyres will definitely play a major role in addressing the issue but a lot will be left to desire for due to the high COG and accompanying body roll.


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    Yes the high COG is an issue because IMC just lifted the car without any proper adjustments, to cure this one can opt for the Japanese variant's suspension but that is not something feasible for a new car, but would be worth a shot. The problem is that it will cost too much and the car will lose its charm. Look on the brighter side of things, you cross rough roads at a decent speed without any worry, you cross the largest of the speed-bumps without tilting the car and in deep water the car drives smoothly. Prius specially the Touring Edition has excellent handling and acceleration but the car cannot be frequently used on rough roads and you have to slow down to almost zero at several speed-bumps even when you are the only person in the car.
    When the car is fully loaded, it balances itself quite well and with good rubber you can take it to its limits easily on the Motorway, yes it gets shaky with the wind in the specific areas on the Motorway, that is an issue but I don't think anything can be done about it sadly, two days ago I crossed that area in my Prius with my hands off the steering wheel and the car didn't change its lane or feel shaky even the slightest, but the price difference between the two cars is immense, you can literally get a small car of recent years in that price for kitchen use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COOLTAHIR View Post
    so what you guys say
    city is more responsive in terms of handling and acceleration
    or corolla ?
    which car have got good driving pleasure ?
    City has better handling but will give you a pain in the backbone, it has ZERO comfort to be honest.
    Yes its acceleration is better as well as fuel economy but who races all the time and these cars are not at all meant for this either.
    Corolla provides better driving pleasure than City by miles but the only car I came across which has a perfect balance between driving pleasure, handling, fuel economy and acceleration is my evergreen Lancer 2006, the love it gives back to you is unmatched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COOLTAHIR View Post
    so what you guys say
    city is more responsive in terms of handling and acceleration
    or corolla ?
    which car have got good driving pleasure ?
    Actually my mamu just upgraded from city to altis and according to him its handling is better than city it feels better planted on road

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