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    Default Corolla 88 Engine Swap, Need Guidance & Suggestions

    I am writing this on someone's behalf, originally the car had a diesel engine but previously it was swapped with 5AFE and now the owner want to swap it with a petrol engine of newer technology. The engines in consideration are:
    1NZ-FE 1.5L of 2010 model (came in premio)
    1ZZ-FE 1.8L of 2006 model (came in premio)
    3ZZ-FE 1.6L of 2006 model (came in altis)

    Can its also possible to swap with the lastest 2ZR-FE or 2ZR-FAE??

    1. Want to know about pre-swap technical details and other information about engine, related parts, and its compatibility with the car?
    2. The hard part of wiring these engines.....can anyone knows who is doing best wiring of these engines (anywhere in Lahore, Pindi, Peshawar, Karachi)?
    3. And the price of these engines in Karachi, Pindi, Peshawar, Lahore?

    Anyone having past experience with these engines will be very helpful.
    Thnaks....

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    Ok good. How much did you paid? From where? AC fixed?
    Speed costs money, how fast can you afford to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hash4u View Post
    how much money did this swap cost?
    any engine bay pic?
    Actually we done two swaps........One in corolla 95 and the other in Corolla 88. Both was swapped with the same 1NZFE engine.

    Corolla 95 swap cost detail:
    Engine------------------------55000
    Engine Oil---------------------3000
    Rear Shocks------------------5000
    Battery------------------------4000
    AC setup & Miscellaneous----2500
    Fan-----------------------------1800
    Labor Shocks-------------------700
    Clips----------------------------550
    Nuts & Accessory--------------450
    TOTAL-----------------------73000/-

    Corolla 88 swap cost detail:
    Engine------------------------50000
    Engine Oil---------------------3000
    AC setup & Miscellaneous----2500
    Fan-----------------------------1800
    Clips----------------------------550
    Nuts & Accessory--------------450
    TOTAL-----------------------58300/-

    The difference in engine price is because before swap Corolla 95 had 2C engine and Corolla 88 had 5AFE.

    And the third swap will be done in Corolla 90 with same 1NZFE after Eid........in'sha'ALLAH.
    We are also thinking to again swap Corolla 88 with 2NZFE and put its 1NZFE in Corolla 90.

    Little busy now, will post pics after some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroon.virk View Post
    Actually we done two swaps........One in corolla 95 and the other in Corolla 88. Both was swapped with the same 1NZFE engine.

    Corolla 95 swap cost detail:
    Engine------------------------55000
    Engine Oil---------------------3000
    Rear Shocks------------------5000
    Battery------------------------4000
    AC setup & Miscellaneous----2500
    Fan-----------------------------1800
    Labor Shocks-------------------700
    Clips----------------------------550
    Nuts & Accessory--------------450
    TOTAL-----------------------73000/-

    Corolla 88 swap cost detail:
    Engine------------------------50000
    Engine Oil---------------------3000
    AC setup & Miscellaneous----2500
    Fan-----------------------------1800
    Clips----------------------------550
    Nuts & Accessory--------------450
    TOTAL-----------------------58300/-

    The difference in engine price is because before swap Corolla 95 had 2C engine and Corolla 88 had 5AFE.

    And the third swap will be done in Corolla 90 with same 1NZFE after Eid........in'sha'ALLAH.
    We are also thinking to again swap Corolla 88 with 2NZFE and put its 1NZFE in Corolla 90.

    Little busy now, will post pics after some time.
    Which transmissions were used in these two swaps? Have you used adapter plates to install the transmissions that you already had? Also, I would suggest you against going with the 2nz-fe in the corolla as it will be under powered for it since its quite a heavy car.

    About the O2 sensor working, you can only be sure by drawing error codes from it. I'm assuming that the electrician didnt connect the check engine light? Also, is the DLC port connected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroon.virk View Post
    Ok, will check the O2 sensors. Can the scanning be done from tuning shop?
    Yes..Its Common Now ...There Are Many Who Have OBD-2 Scanners....But In OrderTo Get It Scanned

    You Need A DLC Port To Connect....Check If Its There Or Not
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    Interesting. Who was the mechanic and place u bought engine from?

    Why you didn't go for the CVT transmission? If I did this swap I will try for the cvt.
    Speed costs money, how fast can you afford to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaqas1 View Post
    Ok good. How much did you paid? From where? AC fixed?
    73k for corolla 95 & 58k for corolla 88. Done from mithu ka ahata, pindi and yes AC is fixed.

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    Vaqas bro agree with u
    People with auto cvt axio claim to get 14 in city
    Hw r u finding so many manual ecu's?curious
    Life is short and very unpredictable just like a Quarter mile .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroon.virk View Post
    73k for corolla 95 & 58k for corolla 88. Done from mithu ka ahata, pindi and yes AC is fixed.
    Name of the person you bought engines from? I kno few of them.
    Speed costs money, how fast can you afford to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SER_GTR View Post
    Yes..Its Common Now ...There Are Many Who Have OBD-2 Scanners....But In OrderTo Get It Scanned

    You Need A DLC Port To Connect....Check If Its There Or Not
    Where DLC port is located, how to find it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaqas1 View Post
    Interesting. Who was the mechanic and place u bought engine from?

    Why you didn't go for the CVT transmission? If I did this swap I will try for the cvt.
    I didn't remember mechanic name but I have visiting card of the shop from where engine was bought, will tell you after looking card.

    Well, I personally like manual transmission but CVT is a good idea. We are thinking to swap again Corolla 88 with 2NZFE with CVT and put its 1NZFE with manual transmission in Corolla 90. So there is a chance that I might go with CVT transmission in Corolla 90.............a fifty fifty chance because want answers to these questions to clear my mind.

    Will you enlist some advantages of CVT over manual, and manual over CVT?
    I think CVT gearbox is different from manual gearbox as there are no gears in CVT gearbox but only pulleys.........Am I right?
    How much extra mileage a CVT transmission will give? for example 1NZFE on highway at 100-110 km/h with AC give about 17-18 km/l, in this scenario how much will CVT transmission give?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaqas1 View Post
    Interesting. Who was the mechanic and place u bought engine from?

    Why you didn't go for the CVT transmission? If I did this swap I will try for the cvt.
    I also heard that wiring of engine with CVT transmission is different & difficult, and its ECU is also complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owais_Yunus View Post
    Which transmissions were used in these two swaps? Have you used adapter plates to install the transmissions that you already had? Also, I would suggest you against going with the 2nz-fe in the corolla as it will be under powered for it since its quite a heavy car.

    About the O2 sensor working, you can only be sure by drawing error codes from it. I'm assuming that the electrician didnt connect the check engine light? Also, is the DLC port connected?
    Manual transmission. What are adapter plates, what is their function, where are they located? I also have same thought of being under power, but I also think in this way.........In 90's, 2E or 4EFE engines run these cars, which are less powerful engines then 2NZFE. So didn't you think that 2NZFE will serve better? And we are thinking from fuel economy's point of view.......for too much city/local driving what is your suggestion, 1NZFE or 2NZFE.......which will be more fuel efficient??

    Are error codes drawn from engine check light?? May be your assumption is right but how to confirm it either engine check light is connected or not? And how to check DLC port is connected or not........what is its function and where it is located?

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroon.virk View Post
    Manual transmission. What are adapter plates, what is their function, where are they located? I also have same thought of being under power, but I also think in this way.........In 90's, 2E or 4EFE engines run these cars, which are less powerful engines then 2NZFE. So didn't you think that 2NZFE will serve better? And we are thinking from fuel economy's point of view.......for too much city/local driving what is your suggestion, 1NZFE or 2NZFE.......which will be more fuel efficient??

    Are error codes drawn from engine check light?? May be your assumption is right but how to confirm it either engine check light is connected or not? And how to check DLC port is connected or not........what is its function and where it is located?

    What I was asking was, were the manual transmissions that were already present in the cars used or the xli/gli ones? Because in the amount that you mentioned, its not quite possible to get the xli's transmission since it alone costs around 30k. If the already present transmissions were used, they would have installed adapter plates to mate the transmission to the engine which often doest go well and
    produces vibration at certain speeds/rpms.

    2E is less powerful compared to the 2nz-fe but the 4efe is more powerful and. 2nzfe lacks a little on the low end torque compared to the 4efe and when used in a heavy car, it would mean that you'll need to keep the rpms higher when accelerating. Basically, there is a misconception that smaller engines are ALWAYS more fuel efficient. Often, bigger engines, due to better power to weight ratio, end up being more fuel efficient than the smaller ones as they dont have to work too hard to pull the weight of the vehicle compared to the smaller engine. As per my experience, when my father's corolla had a 2nz-fe in it (the same one thats in my charade right now) it would give 12-13km/l within city. Once the 1nz-fe was swapped into it, it jump up to around 14-15km/l with ac. That said, if you commute involves ALOT of idling and slow moving, you would be better off with the 2nz-fe.

    Yes, the error codes can be drawn from the check engine light. You'll need to short out the TE1 and E1 wires in the ecu or in the DLC if its connected. DLC stands for Data Link Connector which is used to connect the scanner to the car. It is part of the body wiring and needs to be connected when doing a swap. Chances are, it isnt connected by the electrician. Here's what it looks like,

    Corolla 88 Engine Swap, Need Guidance & Suggestions - VCHZGw4

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroon.virk View Post
    Where DLC port is located, how to find it?
    Under Dash As Mentioned In Pics...

    This Is The 1st Thing You Need To Connect When Swapping A Newer OBD-II Type Motor To Take Advantage Of What It Can Do...

    Without OBD-II DLC...How You Are Gonna Take Advantage Of Its Connectivity And Ease Of Finding Error Codes ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by hash4u View Post
    Vaqas bro agree with u
    People with auto cvt axio claim to get 14 in city
    Hw r u finding so many manual ecu's?curious
    Manual auto tranny k ecu ka masla sirf honda mai hota kyun Honda ki cars mai TCU nai hota

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    Quote Originally Posted by hash4u View Post
    Vaqas bro agree with u
    People with auto cvt axio claim to get 14 in city
    Hw r u finding so many manual ecu's?curious
    Manual auto tranny k ecu ka masla sirf honda mai hota kyun Honda ki cars mai TCU nai hota

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owais_Yunus View Post
    What I was asking was, were the manual transmissions that were already present in the cars used or the xli/gli ones? Because in the amount that you mentioned, its not quite possible to get the xli's transmission since it alone costs around 30k. If the already present transmissions were used, they would have installed adapter plates to mate the transmission to the engine which often doest go well and
    produces vibration at certain speeds/rpms.

    2E is less powerful compared to the 2nz-fe but the 4efe is more powerful and. 2nzfe lacks a little on the low end torque compared to the 4efe and when used in a heavy car, it would mean that you'll need to keep the rpms higher when accelerating. Basically, there is a misconception that smaller engines are ALWAYS more fuel efficient. Often, bigger engines, due to better power to weight ratio, end up being more fuel efficient than the smaller ones as they dont have to work too hard to pull the weight of the vehicle compared to the smaller engine. As per my experience, when my father's corolla had a 2nz-fe in it (the same one thats in my charade right now) it would give 12-13km/l within city. Once the 1nz-fe was swapped into it, it jump up to around 14-15km/l with ac. That said, if you commute involves ALOT of idling and slow moving, you would be better off with the 2nz-fe.

    Yes, the error codes can be drawn from the check engine light. You'll need to short out the TE1 and E1 wires in the ecu or in the DLC if its connected. DLC stands for Data Link Connector which is used to connect the scanner to the car. It is part of the body wiring and needs to be connected when doing a swap. Chances are, it isnt connected by the electrician. Here's what it looks like,

    Corolla 88 Engine Swap, Need Guidance & Suggestions - VCHZGw4

    TE1-E1 Is For ECU With OBD-O/1

    In OBD-II ..You Might Need To Short Specific Terminal...They Are Not MArked As TE1-E1 I Guess In OBD-II

    It Varies ..You Need To Make It Sure From Service Or Repair Manual....!

    Its Pin No 4 And 14 In Many Toyota Cases Depending On DLC Type Also....!

    If DLC Is Not Connected Then 1st You Need To Carefully Connect It In Order To Connect Any OBD-II Scanner
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    Quote Originally Posted by SER_GTR View Post
    TE1-E1 Is For ECU With OBD-O/1

    In OBD-II ..You Might Need To Short Specific Terminal...They Are Not MArked As TE1-E1 I Guess In OBD-II

    It Varies ..You Need To Make It Sure From Service Or Repair Manual....!

    Its Pin No 4 And 14 In Many Toyota Cases Depending On DLC Type Also....!

    If DLC Is Not Connected Then 1st You Need To Carefully Connect It In Order To Connect Any OBD-II Scanner
    My bad. Its the TC and the CG pin in OBDII if I remember correctly. Will check once I get home. In the DLC, yes, it is the 4th and the 13th pin that needs to be shorted out IF the DLC is connected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owais_Yunus View Post
    My bad. Its the TC and the CG pin in OBDII if I remember correctly. Will check once I get home. In the DLC, yes, it is the 4th and the 13th pin that needs to be shorted out IF the DLC is connected.
    OBD-II Have So Many Diff Protocols And Diff No Of Pins WIth Diff Patterns like 4-7 or 4-13 or 4-14.....

    It Varies So FSM Is Best Way To Look And DO Accordingly....!
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    @Owais_Yunus @ahmedraja1996 @hash4u

    Here are some pics of engine bay.......

    And sorry for bad image quality, will upload later in good quality.
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