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    Default Cultus Tappet Noise Issue

    Asalam O Alaikum,

    I need your suggestions and opinions about a problem that I am facing with my Suzuki Cultus 2004 (carburetor) car. Before going towards the problem some info on the engine condition:

    a) The engine has clocked 88000 kms so far out of which around 21000 kms were on petrol.
    b) The engine has never been opened and is running on genuine everything including gasket and rings etc.
    c) The car does not reduces any oil no smoke at morning start ups or otherwise.
    d) Till last year the car was running on automatic fan in summers with thermostat valve with a/c and no heat ups. its still running the same way but summer hasn't arrived yet.

    Now the Problem:

    The problem i am facing is of Tappet noise. It has hydraulic tappets which are producing a considerable Tuk Tuk noise. Some observations about the noise include:
    a) The noise is very less when i drive on petrol but is pronounced on cng.
    b) On cng when i stop at a signal for around 30 seconds there is no noise at all but if the car remains on idle for more than that the Tuk Tuk sound appears. If i rev the engine again for some time it disappears.
    c) When the car is standing at an incline like a house entrance on idle the noise starts coming.
    d) I have noticed that the car gains heat and temperature needle comes to the middle a bit more quickly now but remains there and no further heating. this might be a Weham as the climate is changing these days.

    Now my old mechanic says that the oil pump needs to be changed as its not pumping oil with full pressure and in cultus the tappets are running on its pressure. he also says that instead of changing the genuine pump an oil pump kit can be bought and used in the same pump.
    I also took a second opinion from a mechanic and he suggested that we need to open the head and get the tappets redone from a kharadia.

    I have grounded the car for the moment and looking forward to your prompt and valuable diagnosis and suggestions. i am hesitant to get teh car opened as it is perfect so far.

    @Xulfiqar and other senior members your help and diagnosis will be highly appreciated.

    Thanks


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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    Who ever told you to use 20w-50 is idiot
    Use 5w-30 (even if your engine is used on 20-50)
    U need a oil with high zddp which isn't available in 5w-30 you will have tp add zddp booster to api SL or higher engine oil aswell the closest oil you can pour is shell helix 5w-30 and add a lil zddp booster
    engine overhauled using standard sized pistons and sleeves.
    now I want to replace my gear oil and engine oil.
    for which gear oil should I go and engine oil should I use shell 5w-30 or Zic A 10-30 ?? Btw I was unable to find zddp booster ? from what name it is being sold in market or any local language name or screenshot of it ?

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    Bro i am sorry to say sleeves is the worst thing to place and your engine would not last long not even a year


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    Quote Originally Posted by sarm4d View Post
    engine overhauled using standard sized pistons and sleeves.
    now I want to replace my gear oil and engine oil.
    for which gear oil should I go and engine oil should I use shell 5w-30 or Zic A 10-30 ?? Btw I was unable to find zddp booster ? from what name it is being sold in market or any local language name or screenshot of it ?
    What was changed in overhaul ?
    You simply can't find zddp booster in market try liquid moly stores or try online stores like daraz or dastyab etc
    About gear oil zic ff gear oil is good for cultus

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    What was changed in overhaul ?
    You simply can't find zddp booster in market try liquid moly stores or try online stores like daraz or dastyab etc
    About gear oil zic ff gear oil is good for cultus
    standard piston using sleeves, rings, thrust , new clutch plate , timing bearings etc.
    ok I'll try online stores and what about zic A ?
    BTW I found this and written good for hydrolic lifters over the cane. Is that what u were talking about ?Cultus Tappet Noise Issue -1675305

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarm4d View Post
    standard piston using sleeves, rings, thrust , new clutch plate , timing bearings etc.
    ok I'll try online stores and what about zic A ?
    Zic A and A+ are extremely bad oil for cultus

    BTW to bed rings perfectly try this method
    Go on open road and accelerate deccelerate between 2k-4k rpm

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarm4d View Post
    standard piston using sleeves, rings, thrust , new clutch plate , timing bearings etc.
    ok I'll try online stores and what about zic A ?
    Did mechanic use dry ice while changing selves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aliabid2 View Post
    Bro i am sorry to say sleeves is the worst thing to place and your engine would not last long not even a year


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    Brother did not have any other option , previous owner had already overhauled the engine upto last extent and swapping with same type of engine didn't sound any good to me and was even too heavy on my pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    Did mechanic use dry ice while changing selves?
    That sleeves were installed by that khiradya , I'm not sure about dry icing but I'll go ask him now as for my satisfaction and it might be helpful in future as well.. BTW what do we call this dry-icing in local language if he doesn't understand :p

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    Zic A and A+ are extremely bad oil for cultus

    BTW to bed rings perfectly try this method
    Go on open road and accelerate deccelerate between 2k-4k rpm
    Thanks, I'll be doing this from now, up-till night falls

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarm4d View Post
    standard piston using sleeves, rings, thrust , new clutch plate , timing bearings etc.
    ok I'll try online stores and what about zic A ?
    BTW I found this and written good for hydrolic lifters over the cane. Is that what u were talking about ?Cultus Tappet Noise Issue -1675305
    This fluid is not what I meant it is used when you lifter gets jammed (cylinder not Firring)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarm4d View Post
    Guess the same problem with my cultus 2006, oil being used is zic high flow (20w-50). Mechanic said not to use zic a , as engine not in so good condition so it will reduce the oil.
    As soon as u start the engine u can hear the noise like "tik tik" and sound remains there on idle. So for that a month or three weeks ago I get my head worked from khiradiya , tikki , valve, waterbody etc all were installed new, even the cam(kabuli) was changed. But the sound is still there, Sound like tractor engine or sewing machine u can say. what to do @Xulfiqar bhai and other seniors . Need help

    Cultus Tappet Noise Issue -1673009
    That badly finished exhaust manifold

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    Can That manifold be found from silencer workshops ? Once silencer guy quoted 2500 or whole silencer , guess that didnt include this manifold....
    One more thing, OFF topic but
    air intake has small plastic piece to narrow the air passage I guess for cng , Should I install it or not ?
    plastic is installed in between hose and rubber that goes into air filter, to narrow the air passage.. Should I remove that for better performance and millage or not ?Cultus Tappet Noise Issue -1676535

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    if you are not using cng, phir remove it, else leave it as is
    haters gonna hate, potatoes gonna potate

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    This fluid is not what I meant it is used when you lifter gets jammed (cylinder not Firring)
    how does it work?

    In my experience it is an oil thickener which reduces oil burning
    haters gonna hate, potatoes gonna potate

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    Quote Originally Posted by margallar View Post
    how does it work?

    In my experience it is an oil thickener which reduces oil burning
    This is not oil thickener thus fulid is used to remove sludge from lifter and piston rings its a hit or miss if your rings are clogged using this fulid can stop oil consumptions

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarm4d View Post
    Can That manifold be found from silencer workshops ? Once silencer guy quoted 2500 or whole silencer , guess that didnt include this manifold....
    One more thing, OFF topic but
    air intake has small plastic piece to narrow the air passage I guess for cng , Should I install it or not ?
    plastic is installed in between hose and rubber that goes into air filter, to narrow the air passage.. Should I remove that for better performance and millage or not ?Cultus Tappet Noise Issue -1676535
    For exhaust check post 515 in this thread

    And as for air blockage if you use car on cng either find correct venture or keep using that block
    If you don't use car on CNG remove it

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    maybe the oil is thin or you should change the oil pump and make a habit to change the oil pump at a time of pouring a new oil. i suggest 20w50 castrol GTX is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faisal-01 View Post
    maybe the oil is thin or you should change the oil pump and make a habit to change the oil pump at a time of pouring a new oil. i suggest 20w50 castrol GTX is good.
    20w-50 ? wouldnt that be too thick for hydrolic lifters ?
    btw how to check if oil pump is working efficiently or not ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    Who ever told you to use 20w-50 is idiot
    Use 5w-30 (even if your engine is used on 20-50)
    U need a oil with high zddp which isn't available in 5w-30 you will have tp add zddp booster to api SL or higher engine oil aswell the closest oil you can pour is shell helix 5w-30 and add a lil zddp booster
    Sorry for asking the same question again but mechanic ustaad suggestions are confusing.
    Brother going to change my oil tomorrow Insha ALLAH,
    Now as u know my engine condition, Sleeves with standard piston size,model 2006
    driven on petrol and cng both, ,
    I should go for Shell 10w-40 ,15w-40, or 5w-30 ? or caltex ? (Not going for Zic A/A+, as u told me so)
    for gear oil will go for Zic ff,
    Moreover how to figure out OIL Pump is good or not ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarm4d View Post
    Sorry for asking the same question again but mechanic ustaad suggestions are confusing.
    Brother going to change my oil tomorrow Insha ALLAH,
    Now as u know my engine condition, Sleeves with standard piston size,model 2006
    driven on petrol and cng both, ,
    I should go for Shell 10w-40 ,15w-40, or 5w-30 ? or caltex ? (Not going for Zic A/A+, as u told me so)
    for gear oil will go for Zic ff,
    Moreover how to figure out OIL Pump is good or not ?
    Use Suzuki sgo oil api SG one (premium don't pour ultimate) its 10w-40 (a bit thick but very close to manufacturer spec)

    Perform oil pressure test to check if oil pump is working right

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