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    I finally managed to make a long overdue visit down Saddar Bazar and managed Farooq Awan to accompany me to make use of the serene atmosphere of the post-eid holidays. We were looking for a number of things and yet nothing in particular as such, and managed to have nice friendly chats with various dealers owing to the Holiday mode still prevalent. Below is a summary of findings and some photos:








    1KZ-TE:

    A number of very decent looking engines are available in the market and starting rate was between PKR 85-95k a[/url]a
    (including all necessary fittings, computer and wiring etc)
    [/url]. There is some variation between models Prado, Surf, Hiace but all are available. The dealers were of the view that the electronics on the KZ are relatively simple and down-played any suspicions I had on reliability etc.







    Some engines I met on my walk down Railway Road -609616








    2L-TE:

    The starting rate was PKR 95k for a decent looking EFI model (including all necessary fittings, computer and wiring etc). Apparently, its more expensive than KZ because it is more in demand used in commercial passenger jeeps whereas KZ is only used in converted private vehicles and rarely does anybody replace engines on Surfs/Prados. Also saw a 5L which was going for around 85K or so.




    Some engines I met on my walk down Railway Road -609617





    5VZ-FE:



    Sawa fewdecent looking Toyota petrol 3400 engines at this Ali Autos shop and the guy was asking PKR 170k with all wiring computers an accessories.




    Some engines I met on my walk down Railway Road -609618





    2UZ-FE:

    Onelonepiece sitting at the same Ali Auos shop with the guy asking for something like PKR 325k…






    Some engines I met on my walk down Railway Road -609619







    1HD-T:

    Did not come across this one though I was actually looking trying to find one but I was told that it would cost around PKR 225-250kand obviously the chaps would be able to source it from Peshawar on order.







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    Engine








    Disp.








    Fuel








    Power






    Torque




    2L-TE


    2.4l


    D



    97HP (72.3kW) at 3800 RPM





    24.54 kg.m (240.3 N?m) at 2400 R




    5L-E





    D


    96.5 hp (72 kW) at 4000 RP


    141.6 ft·lb (192 N·m) of torque at 2400 RPM.




    1-KZ TE


    3.0l


    D


    130 hp (97 kW) @ 3600 rpm


    29.3 kgf·m (287 N·m) @ 2000 rpm




    1HD-FTE


    4.2l


    D



    164 hp (122 kW) at 3400 rpm





    280 ft·lbf (380 N·m) of torque at 1400 rpm





    5VZ-FE






    3.4 L





    P



    201 hp (142 kW) at 4800 rpm





    220 ft·lbf (298 Nm) of torque at 3600 rpm





    2UZ-FE





    4.7 L


    P


    232 hp(173 kW ) at 4800 rpm


    311 ft·lbf (422 N·m) at 3600 rpm

















    Source : Wikipedia





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    A very nice post as always Suhaib. Thanks.

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    update some prices on petrol engines with disp=13-20
    thanx
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    @cvansek: Not sure I follow you, but if you are talking of adding prices to the table, I gave that some thought, but was not certain if the prices are the same across the country. Would be particularly good to see what the rates are in Peshawar or Quetta particularly for the bigger less common models. Hopefully we can get some input from friends across the country.


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    @suhaib
    great post and effort. I saw 3 1uz-fe engines in Bilal Gunj last week only. I don't know what you fellows think of it, but for me that is the epitome of a great engine. For those of you who don't know, that is the same engine the Lexus LS400 debuted in. It's a car engine that they have mated very well to 4x4s in the west. However, sadly, only the engines were available for 65k, no gearboxes, no accompanying electrics and accessories.

    RKR
    I will miss her, that RKR. She will always be the one that got away.
    But, life goes on. From RKR to MMC. 4x4 Engaged? Team Unimog, Pakistan

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    @suhaib! Very informative. great effort. I can only confirm the price of 1KZ, in Lahore it is same as you quoted. I had checked the price of 2JZ-GE(VVTI), guy was asking 75000 without gear. I dont know if you guys recommend 2JZ in jeeps. Please share your thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    I finally managed to make a long overdue visit down Saddar Bazar and managed Farooq Awan to accompany me to make use of the serene atmosphere of the post-eid holidays. We were looking for a number of things and yet nothing in particular as such, and managed to have nice friendly chats with various dealers owing to the Holiday mode still prevalent. Below is a summary of findings and some photos:








    1KZ-TE:

    A number of very decent looking engines are available in the market and starting rate was between PKR 85-95k a[/url]a
    (including all necessary fittings, computer and wiring etc)
    [/url]. There is some variation between models Prado, Surf, Hiace but all are available. The dealers were of the view that the electronics on the KZ are relatively simple and down-played any suspicions I had on reliability etc.







    Some engines I met on my walk down Railway Road -1015271








    2L-TE:

    The starting rate was PKR 95k for a decent looking EFI model (including all necessary fittings, computer and wiring etc). Apparently, its more expensive than KZ because it is more in demand used in commercial passenger jeeps whereas KZ is only used in converted private vehicles and rarely does anybody replace engines on Surfs/Prados. Also saw a 5L which was going for around 85K or so.




    Some engines I met on my walk down Railway Road -1015272





    5VZ-FE:



    Sawa fewdecent looking Toyota petrol 3400 engines at this Ali Autos shop and the guy was asking PKR 170k with all wiring computers an accessories.




    Some engines I met on my walk down Railway Road -1015273





    2UZ-FE:

    Onelonepiece sitting at the same Ali Auos shop with the guy asking for something like PKR 325k&hellip;






    Some engines I met on my walk down Railway Road -1015274







    1HD-T:

    Did not come across this one though I was actually looking trying to find one but I was told that it would cost around PKR 225-250kand obviously the chaps would be able to source it from Peshawar on order.







    any update on the prices ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raohamid View Post
    @suhaib
    great post and effort. I saw 3 1uz-fe engines in Bilal Gunj last week only. I don't know what you fellows think of it, but for me that is the epitome of a great engine. For those of you who don't know, that is the same engine the Lexus LS400 debuted in. It's a car engine that they have mated very well to 4x4s in the west. However, sadly, only the engines were available for 65k, no gearboxes, no accompanying electrics and accessories.

    RKR
    The Guru spoke ahead of the time! As we were to find out, the 1UZ-FE is the one and only Toyota engine in Ward's Top Ten Engines of the 20th Century with the following tribute by Wards:

    "Toyota Motor Corp. Lexus V-8 (1990)[1UZ-FE]: To close out the millennium's final decade with a bang, Toyota served notice it was ready for all comers by introducing the 1990 Lexus 400 luxury sedan. Under the hood, a 4L V-8 embodied every notable technical advance in the book, including aluminum block-and-head construction, dual overhead camshafts and four-valve combustion chambers; champagne glasses piled high on the LS 400's hood never dripped as this engine accelerated with electric-motor smoothness to a lofty redline. BMW, Cadillac, Jaguar, and Mercedes-Benz returned to their laboratories."


    I think generally the prices are in the same ballpark range and there are not necessarily variations within cities but variations by quality. Most importantly one should be sure that prices qouted are inclusive of all electronics and fittings. There are many hidden costs such as Clutch/flywheel assembly, wiring (complete engine sensors and ecu) and immobilizer gadgets and labour in some cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    The Guru spoke ahead of the time! As we were to find out, the 1UZ-FE is the one and only Toyota engine in Ward's Top Ten Engines of the 20th Century with the following tribute by Wards:

    "Toyota Motor Corp. Lexus V-8 (1990)[1UZ-FE]: To close out the millennium's final decade with a bang, Toyota served notice it was ready for all comers by introducing the 1990 Lexus 400 luxury sedan. Under the hood, a 4L V-8 embodied every notable technical advance in the book, including aluminum block-and-head construction, dual overhead camshafts and four-valve combustion chambers; champagne glasses piled high on the LS 400's hood never dripped as this engine accelerated with electric-motor smoothness to a lofty redline. BMW, Cadillac, Jaguar, and Mercedes-Benz returned to their laboratories."
    Man, this was so long ago!

    Love the text highlighted in bold.

    SK- any videos of 1UZ offroaders? Would like to see how it performs when torque is more important than HP. Don't you have this in your new one? Or is that the 2UZ? Getting kinda confused and lazy to check it out myself.

    MMC
    I will miss her, that RKR. She will always be the one that got away.
    But, life goes on. From RKR to MMC. 4x4 Engaged? Team Unimog, Pakistan

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    @raohamid where is your RKR? what a beauty?
    To all the extreme drivers, please come offroad like ME to keep others safe on the roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raohamid View Post
    Man, this was so long ago!

    Love the text highlighted in bold.

    SK- any videos of 1UZ offroaders? Would like to see how it performs when torque is more important than HP. Don't you have this in your new one? Or is that the 2UZ? Getting kinda confused and lazy to check it out myself.

    MMC
    Not as many offroading videos as one would like but there are some... the jury is still out on the torque issue but I guess its an engine bred on a race pedigree and offroading is not really its comfort zone but gets by pretty well with the right gearing i guess:





    ....and better still lockers :


    This one I don't have any words for
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    Exclamation And finally the 1UZ RKR??!!

    "If YOU don't believe in what you're doing it'll never work."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    This one I don't have any words for
    Damn damn damn!! The only video that's not working on my PC! :-P

    MMC
    I will miss her, that RKR. She will always be the one that got away.
    But, life goes on. From RKR to MMC. 4x4 Engaged? Team Unimog, Pakistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    So I guess big tires, no sway bars, a RKR half body, and a 1UZ. Who needs torque?!

    MMC
    I will miss her, that RKR. She will always be the one that got away.
    But, life goes on. From RKR to MMC. 4x4 Engaged? Team Unimog, Pakistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeepaholic View Post
    @raohamid where is your RKR? what a beauty?
    Thank you sir. Unfortunately, had to let it go. Was a good horse.

    MMC
    I will miss her, that RKR. She will always be the one that got away.
    But, life goes on. From RKR to MMC. 4x4 Engaged? Team Unimog, Pakistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by raohamid View Post
    So I guess big tires, no sway bars, a RKR half body, and a 1UZ. Who needs torque?!

    MMC
    Actually No! You need torque to drive bigger heavier tires and for crawling and towing! I have come across skepticism regarding the 1UZ torque but the numbers and the experience leave me somewhat confused as to where that is coming from.

    As you can see from below the 1UZ is surely no torque wimp even against the big and the bad boys...furthermore whats most important is that its got a pretty flat torque curve all the way off idle to 5000+rpms. Lastly, you can always re-gear the diffs and transmission if you really need more torque for any reason.



    1UZ 4.0L:
    191 kW (256 hp), torque of 260 ft·lbf (353 N·m).

    2UZ-FE 4.7L
    Aus: 170 kW (230 hp)@4800 rpm, 300 ft·lbf (410 N·m) at 3600 rpm
    JDM: 173 kW (232 hp)@ 4800 rpm, 311 ft·lbf (422 N·m) @3600 rpm.

    1FZ-FE 4.5L:

    212 horsepower (158 kW)@4600 RPM, 275 ft.lbf (373 N·m)@3000 RPM

    1KD-FT 3.0L:
    170 hp (125 kW)@3400 rpm, 260 lbf·ft (352 N·m) @1800-3400 rpm


    1UZ dyno chart:

    Some engines I met on my walk down Railway Road…. - 1UZ comparison
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    @ Suhaib, I don't really think the bottom end torque in a relatively lighter vehicle like yours would matter really (specially in manual trasmission with short gear ratios) Maybe in a 100 or 200 series with auto boxes it does?

    The 2UZ produces over 350nm torque at idle, 1FZ 320nm at idle and goes above 350nm at 1100rpm. 1HD-FTE pulls 400nm at 1100rpm!

    Your power graph above starts at 2000rpm, IJC offroading happens mostly below 2000rpm. Practically it may mean you will tend to spin the wheels more often, but YES, for rallies it would be a lovely engine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raohamid View Post
    Man, this was so long ago!

    Love the text highlighted in bold.

    SK- any videos of 1UZ offroaders? Would like to see how it performs when torque is more important than HP. Don't you have this in your new one? Or is that the 2UZ? Getting kinda confused and lazy to check it out myself.

    MMC
    Guys guys guys.....now don't get carried away by what miracles did TOYota built (and am not defending MITSU here either).....but I do remember the 'champagne glass' story which sent technicians back to their labs...but hey, didn't NISSAN hit back with their ALTIMA (do correct me if I'm wrong) with a similar 'champagne glass' show saying you don't need to spend a fortune to do this....I believe the ALTIMA was was NOT even half the price.....Miracle my r**r end!!!!
    MEN DO IT AT DAKAR!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MITSU_MAN View Post
    Guys guys guys.....now don't get carried away by what miracles did TOYota built (and am not defending MITSU here either).....but I do remember the 'champagne glass' story which sent technicians back to their labs...but hey, didn't NISSAN hit back with their ALTIMA (do correct me if I'm wrong) with a similar 'champagne glass' show saying you don't need to spend a fortune to do this....I believe the ALTIMA was was NOT even half the price.....Miracle my r**r end!!!!

    Nissan is always underrated, be it second hand engines or new cars.

    In reality they dominated many areas for a very long period outperforming competition by long. Remember the Z cars?

    Even now, the new GTR can blast other with half the price
    Keep a cool head and wear seatbelts!

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