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    Default BABA's Corner

    Miskeen Baba was an excellent off-roader. He died some time ago. Before his death, he planted off-roading firmly in a number of his friends, his son, nephews, and followers. This thread is dedicated to his memory. I would like my friends to visit this thread, use it for off-road discussions and by doing so, pay homage to him. (May Allah rest his soul in peace, Ameen).

    Ranger of the North---Didn't Get Any Speeding Ticket While I had the Unimog. Since I bought a Cruiser, I get a speeding ticket every now and then.

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    soon planning to put L6 4.2 TD of TLC with auto gear..............will call u up irshad for help....

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    Great thread.. We ppl need such topic to discuss here intsted ov abusing and makin fun ov vehicles....
    Keep it up Dr sab.. and we want pics too
    a programmer, webmaster, electronics enthusiast, traveller, adventurer, gizmo's freak by hobby & an electrical engineer by profession tauxeef.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by hasan.nqv View Post
    soon planning to put L6 4.2 TD of TLC with auto gear..............will call u up irshad for help....
    Dear Hasan saheb, these old vehicles are excellent off-roaders. But the main value is in their simplicity, there being no computers and minimum gimmicks, and the low cost of course.
    So, if you need a better engine, go for a 14B, or overhaul the existing engine. However, if you do wish to spend money, of course, the 4.2 L multivalve engine is extremely powerful. Still.......................
    Ranger of the North---Didn't Get Any Speeding Ticket While I had the Unimog. Since I bought a Cruiser, I get a speeding ticket every now and then.

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    Default Thanks Tauxeef sb

    Quote Originally Posted by tauxeef View Post
    Great thread.. We ppl need such topic to discuss here intsted ov abusing and makin fun ov vehicles....
    Keep it up Dr sab.. and we want pics too
    I believe what you said. I am sure we can learn the essence of off-roading by discussing the virtues of the man behind the machine, rather than the machines. So, we are in full agreement.
    Ranger of the North---Didn't Get Any Speeding Ticket While I had the Unimog. Since I bought a Cruiser, I get a speeding ticket every now and then.

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    yes Sir u r right indeed about the price and offroading combo ....i appreciate ur advice......

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    Default Appologies for long absence

    Dear Friends,
    I appologise for a long absence from this forum. 100 % my mistake. We would like to keep this alive. Please do accept my appologies.
    Just last week I returned from a trip to UK. I took an instructor course in Off-Roading. Well, the philosophy taught there by Keith, the Chief Instructor was remarkably similar to what Baba Miskeen taught us around 30 years back.
    Holding of the Steering Wheel, with thumbs raised away from harm's way
    Attempt to tackle all obstacles at the minimum speed possible: many instances would need only a tick over / idle speed with L4 engaged !
    Walk every trail before you jump it !
    and ......
    ....
    A lot more.
    So, almost instantaneously, I was submerged in the memories of Miskeen Baba and our Off-Road trips-long long ago.
    Will bring back more memories..... next time.....
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    May Allah rest his soul in peace
    "Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Beautiful CORPSE "
    How much horsepower gain do you get from your NOS sticker ?

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    Default KLPs

    Dear Doc Sb,

    Do share with us the Key Learning Points (KLPs) of the course you attended, will sure help many!

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    Quote Originally Posted by autoSlaVe View Post
    Dear Doc Sb,

    Do share with us the Key Learning Points (KLPs) of the course you attended, will sure help many!

    Regards,
    Sarmad.
    Thanks for the interest.
    Actually, it was not much.
    As a matter of fact, most of that is already being followed here in the events. Some may be a bit different.
    First of all, we started with what a vehicle would do, when it is left in Low Range 4 x 4, and left in idle. (Absolutely no accelerator, no brake, no clutch). It will do a lot of the work, that we want to make it do. For this type of off-roading, the hand-controlled, accelerator / throttle is an added advantage.
    We tried this and it does appear to be useful. It is useful for ascents and descents both, and has some use for level driving as well. On steep ascents, this technique, of course has its limits.
    This was, exactly in accordance with what Baba tried to tell us, by saying, go slow. Do not rush. And he would never allow any heavy throttle wheel spins. The philosophy was similar. He did mention on many occasions, the usefulness of low throttle uphill ascents, as compared to the heavy wheelspins, so popular these days.
    More next time, Insha'Allah
    Ranger of the North---Didn't Get Any Speeding Ticket While I had the Unimog. Since I bought a Cruiser, I get a speeding ticket every now and then.

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    sir looking forward to learn all ur technques learnt by BABA n KLP........... =)

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    Default The Diff Locks

    The next important issue is that of Diff Locks. The Air Locker, as compared to the Old-fashioned Mechanical hand-driven diff lock is relatively new and has more than one uses.
    We here in Pakistan, use it mostly for making the most of the available traction. So, in slick mud, etc., or snow or uphill incline where loss of traction is anticipated, we use rear diff lock, or rear and front diff locks, as the case may be, for maximum traction.
    We also know already that application of diff-locks will enlarge the turning cirle of a vehicle. What we are not practicing and is actually very tricky, is that in case of air-lockers, the switcing on and off of the locker will help us turn the vehicle in jumps, and alters the circle in a different way.
    It shortens the circle, but is not safe in tight uphill spots, where there is a risk of fall, as the jumps may lead to loss of traction, while helping in the steering !
    I practiced it, but could not, as we did not have free access to vehicle with air-lockers. My vehicle back home is UNIMOG, and it is not equipped with airlockers.
    More next time.... InshaAllah
    Ranger of the North---Didn't Get Any Speeding Ticket While I had the Unimog. Since I bought a Cruiser, I get a speeding ticket every now and then.

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    The Air Lockers cost around a K, a 1000 Pounds to purchase. Since I already had the mechanical lockers in my MOG, I did not go for those. These are readily available on the after market, and take another 200 Pounds for installation, if one did not have the necessary expertise to do it himself.
    The lever operated or the hydraulic lockers, on the other hand are much slower to operate, and difficult to disengage, and so are safer to operate while the vehicle is stationary. So, these, eg those on a Unimog, are not much use in the tight turning spots.
    Personally I would stick to the old fashioned hydraulic diff locks, and limit myself to their use for maximising traction only! Old Fashioned ! Orthodox ! or whatever that may be.........
    More next time, InshaAllah...
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    nice tips/tricks sir.......would appreciate live display of all thesein your supervision =)

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    Default Never Dreamt of This !

    Quote Originally Posted by hasan.nqv View Post
    nice tips/tricks sir.......would appreciate live display of all thesein your supervision =)
    Naqvi Sb, I have never dreamt of anything near to being a teacher in Off-Roading. I am as much a student as anybody else..... Probably down the line when compared to most of our friends around..
    Miskeen Baba, as you know, was a great teacher.
    I would, though recommend, Irshad Miskeen, as a good Off-Road Companion, and he knows more 'tricks of the trade' than me. period.
    I think, we can keep Baba's Philosophy alive, simply by acknowledging what he did for the off-roading in this country, most of which is only in our memories, and not recorded visually. This corner was created with that in mind. I sure shall try to keep posting his wishes, and his commands, as I could remember.
    Me getting old as well !......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger_ofthe_North View Post
    Naqvi Sb, I have never dreamt of anything near to being a teacher in Off-Roading. I am as much a student as anybody else..... Probably down the line when compared to most of our friends around..
    Miskeen Baba, as you know, was a great teacher.
    I would, though recommend, Irshad Miskeen, as a good Off-Road Companion, and he knows more 'tricks of the trade' than me. period.
    I think, we can keep Baba's Philosophy alive, simply by acknowledging what he did for the off-roading in this country, most of which is only in our memories, and not recorded visually. This corner was created with that in mind. I sure shall try to keep posting his wishes, and his commands, as I could remember.
    Me getting old as well !......

    YES SIR..i totally agree with the idea for keeping this thread alive...Irshad bhai is also a good offroader and a great man himself like his BABA......i m planning soon to meet u all legends in real in winter

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    Eid mubarak to all

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    May his soul rest in peace
    1)Expect the best, Prepare for the worst
    2)Don't say everything you think; but think everything you say.

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    Dr Sb

    Kindly make a new thread so that all 4x4 lovers get advantage of ur experience
    -It is always Man behind the Machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger_ofthe_North View Post

    Genius has limits: Stupidity has none

    Dear Storm,
    That is a great statement. Could you quote some original reference?

    There is very famous and similar quote of Albert Einstein

    "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."

    BTW great thread for great man.

    Those old pics look awesome.

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    inspiring personality!
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