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    Default 4x4 Off-Road Video Thread! Post your favourites !

    Lets see your favourite, most interesting, exciting, insightful and informative videos ..... anything and everything to do with 4x4s and off-roading!

    And who better to start this off than Mr. Jeep itself:




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    Quote Originally Posted by saidhi View Post
    @ SK--- yaar,, how you make this youtube window, plan to load a couple of more videos
    1. Click on youtube icon (top right of reply box) and you get two icons in square brackets:
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    2. Insert link to youtube video between the two icons with out ny spaces :

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    "If YOU don't believe in what you're doing it'll never work."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MITSU_MAN View Post
    @saidhi

    About the stats part.....One, Nadir was beaten all ends up in Mithi Rally 2009 by Ronnie in his EVO! And also in Hub Rally 2010...... when the mighty TOYota gave up on him and Raheel got the title driving his uncle's( Ashraf's) EVO!!!
    Secondly, I would not write Ashraf off altogether......probably he needs some time and I think there is a fair chance of him bouncing back to the top! And then there is Ronnie......a mathematician who plays a calculated game by aiming at the second or third slot and if Nadir makes a mistake.....voila.... destination numero uno it is! Khakwani is another contender but has a long way to go!
    I could not come to Hub Rally 2010 because of floods so do not know what exactly had happened there, heard only that Nadir was on Pole after qualifying but his LC malfunctioned during rally and hence had to stop. If Evo wins because Nadir's LC malfunctions, cant call it fair and square win for Evo because no matter how well maintained a vehicle is, inevitably, some day it will breakdown. This happens to the best of the best international teams with millions of dollars of budget, Nadir's LC, maintained by the regular mechanics/chotas of Nusrat was of course no exception. On the other hand, except Jhal 2008 which Nadir lost by 4 seconds to Ashraf, all rallies of 2008, 2009 and 2010 where Ronnie and Ashraf finished without mechanical failures, were won fair and square by Nadir.

    Before Hub, last mechanical breakdown of Nadir's LC was in the qualifying round of Cholistan 2009, where he moved to automatic transmission Toyota Vigo for Rally and won the A Category.

    I was there and examined Nadir's Vigo personally. It had King's suspension but shocks were without rebound setting i.e. simple off road ones. Nadir's vigo also did not have the chip or the automatic transmission cooler. Chip was given to him by Channa and transmission cooler was lent by Rashid Abdullah. Both these were fitted by the mechanics of Channa and Rashid during the night before the rally. Nadir probably did not even had time to tune himself with the extra power of the chipped vigo/its handling before the launch.

    In that rally, Ashraf rolled his current/then new Evo before stage-break and Nadir caught Ronnie calculating too much. Nadir was also faster than all the rally prepared manual vigos in B Category, which included Amir Magsi, Asad Khoro, Amir Abbas and Nauman, thereby proving to all that he wins regularly not merely because of his very well prepared LC but mainly because of his exceptional driving skills.

    Its because of this event why I am firmly of the opinion that Evo in the hands of a driver matching the skills and bravery of Nadir can beat him fair and square, however, this is yet too happen and till that time, in local rallies LC/Nadir combo rules.

    Mithi 2009 was a completely different story. I know you were there to watch the rally but dont know for sure if you went on the track. Let me tell what happened there and why.

    Though Mithi seemed exactly like Cholistan, yet it was not. Sand of Mithi was more soft and the vehicles digged a lot more than Cholistan. My jimny never failed to accept the 2nd gear in Cholistan but in Mithi, it consistently lost momentum in second. Result was that there were patches where instead of restricting myself to 45km/h at 6500 rpm in the first gear I opted to engage the Low gear and cruise at 60km/h in 3rd gear. Wherever Jimny accepted the 4th gear of low range, I shifted to High Ratios in the first available opportunity because there I knew Jimny will take 2nd and may be 3rd as well, resulting in better speed.

    Because of this phenomena, Nadir who runs 15 psi in front and 14 psi at back in Cholistan, reduced the air to 12psi in front and back. Result was that his Micky's came off twice, thus lost time in changing two tyres. Ronnie found about the failure of Nadir's strategy and started calculating again. Result was that though Nadir could not beat Ronnie's time, Amir Magis in his B Category Vigo came out to the overall winner.

    Have already lost lot of working time,,,, will check reply at night

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    1. Click on youtube icon (top right of reply box) and you get two icons in square brackets:
    [YOUTUBE][YOUTUBE]


    2. Insert link to youtube video between the two icons with out ny spaces :

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    3. Post the reply and you get the video box:
    WAh Wah,,, so simple,,,, thanks mate

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    Tag says its a pajero



    some more rear wheelie crashes here



    This Defender was extremely unlucky



    How you land also depends a lot on from where and how you took off


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    here comes another


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    @saidhi: you have me scared s**t now! Lets talk about front wheelies instead
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    @saidhi: you have me scared s**t now! Lets talk about front wheelies instead
    seriously, since the fj's rear wheels leave the ground on almost every speed bump

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    Quote Originally Posted by usama37 View Post
    seriously, since the fj's rear wheels leave the ground on almost every speed bump

    Hmmmmm......are you still leaf sprung?
    MEN DO IT AT DAKAR!!!

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    yeap,,,leaf springs

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    Quote Originally Posted by saidhi View Post
    yeap,,,leaf springs
    No wonder!
    Well then ur best bet would be a couple of sessions with the Multani/Bahawalpuri old Jimny (SJ) model drivers......terrific guys with probably everything made of steel........seen their rigs fly by at breakneck speeds mostly airborne with one tyre touching planet earth at one time.....scary yet amazing!
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    Sir jee,,, whenever you get time, do try this FJ. I drove it on Pindi Mall last month, it is so powerful that it does not stop spinning wheels even in the 3rd gear, the moment you push accelerator its wheels start spinning. I wonder how the Osama/Shuhaib couple is going to manage it in rallies.

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    This FJ has better power than many A Category vehicles but its handling is worst than a SJ/410

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    Quote Originally Posted by saidhi View Post
    This FJ has better power than many A Category vehicles but its handling is worst than a SJ/410
    HaHa @Saidhi! I wouldn't really have put it like that but I guess its an interesting starting point for looking at it!

    Nevertheless, I do believe the FJ does surprisingly well holding things together on the road with 300+ ft.lbs of torque running through the drivetrain.... Not really sure if thats any SJs cup of tea! In rally conditions, I guess suspension things are normally a function of the gurr that goes in .... and the magic is either in the hands, or the dua of the guru!
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    Default Baldwin vs Gordon!

    I take the point that its a long way till we can take on these guys, but that goes for everyone I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by saidhi View Post
    This FJ has better power than many A Category vehicles but its handling is worst than a SJ/410
    @saidhi

    I am sure about the power part as it comes from @SK's garage...... it must be a cracker!
    But if you recall Pirelli's campaign not too long ago......'POWER IS NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL'.....chips could be down!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MITSU_MAN View Post
    @saidhi

    I am sure about the power part as it comes from @SK's garage...... it must be a cracker!
    But if you recall Pirelli's campaign not too long ago......'POWER IS NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL'.....chips could be down!
    Ha @Mitsu_Man, Ha ha! Lets not take out the bets as yet! I would have agreed with Pirelli but having seen a pack of controlled wolves chasing a powerful rhino year after year, with just a few bite marks to show ...... I have a few doubts about the nothing part
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    Quote Originally Posted by saidhi View Post
    I could not come to Hub Rally 2010 because of floods so do not know what exactly had happened there, heard only that Nadir was on Pole after qualifying but his LC malfunctioned during rally and hence had to stop. If Evo wins because Nadir's LC malfunctions, cant call it fair and square win for Evo because no matter how well maintained a vehicle is, inevitably, some day it will breakdown. This happens to the best of the best international teams with millions of dollars of budget, Nadir's LC, maintained by the regular mechanics/chotas of Nusrat was of course no exception. On the other hand, except Jhal 2008 which Nadir lost by 4 seconds to Ashraf, all rallies of 2008, 2009 and 2010 where Ronnie and Ashraf finished without mechanical failures, were won fair and square by Nadir.

    Before Hub, last mechanical breakdown of Nadir's LC was in the qualifying round of Cholistan 2009, where he moved to automatic transmission Toyota Vigo for Rally and won the A Category.

    I was there and examined Nadir's Vigo personally. It had King's suspension but shocks were without rebound setting i.e. simple off road ones. Nadir's vigo also did not have the chip or the automatic transmission cooler. Chip was given to him by Channa and transmission cooler was lent by Rashid Abdullah. Both these were fitted by the mechanics of Channa and Rashid during the night before the rally. Nadir probably did not even had time to tune himself with the extra power of the chipped vigo/its handling before the launch.

    In that rally, Ashraf rolled his current/then new Evo before stage-break and Nadir caught Ronnie calculating too much. Nadir was also faster than all the rally prepared manual vigos in B Category, which included Amir Magsi, Asad Khoro, Amir Abbas and Nauman, thereby proving to all that he wins regularly not merely because of his very well prepared LC but mainly because of his exceptional driving skills.

    Its because of this event why I am firmly of the opinion that Evo in the hands of a driver matching the skills and bravery of Nadir can beat him fair and square, however, this is yet too happen and till that time, in local rallies LC/Nadir combo rules.

    Mithi 2009 was a completely different story. I know you were there to watch the rally but dont know for sure if you went on the track. Let me tell what happened there and why.

    Though Mithi seemed exactly like Cholistan, yet it was not. Sand of Mithi was more soft and the vehicles digged a lot more than Cholistan. My jimny never failed to accept the 2nd gear in Cholistan but in Mithi, it consistently lost momentum in second. Result was that there were patches where instead of restricting myself to 45km/h at 6500 rpm in the first gear I opted to engage the Low gear and cruise at 60km/h in 3rd gear. Wherever Jimny accepted the 4th gear of low range, I shifted to High Ratios in the first available opportunity because there I knew Jimny will take 2nd and may be 3rd as well, resulting in better speed.

    Because of this phenomena, Nadir who runs 15 psi in front and 14 psi at back in Cholistan, reduced the air to 12psi in front and back. Result was that his Micky's came off twice, thus lost time in changing two tyres. Ronnie found about the failure of Nadir's strategy and started calculating again. Result was that though Nadir could not beat Ronnie's time, Amir Magis in his B Category Vigo came out to the overall winner.

    Have already lost lot of working time,,,, will check reply at night
    BTW thats a write-up and a half @saidhi. Many thanks!

    Do you feel that the different courses also favour one type of car over the other (say long vs short wheelbase) e.g at Mithi I understand there were few straights and lots of turns whereas Nadir's LC probably has a speed advantage in the wide open stretches of Cholistan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Ha @Mitsu_Man, Ha ha! Lets not take out the bets as yet! I would have agreed with Pirelli but having seen a pack of controlled wolves chasing a powerful rhino year after year, with just a few bite marks to show ...... I have a few doubts about the nothing part
    @SK

    Good point there amigo.....in the end it all comes to the man behind the gun and of course 'Maa ki duaa'......should fare well, Inshallah!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MITSU_MAN View Post
    @SK

    Good point there amigo.....in the end it all comes to the man behind the gun and of course 'Maa ki duaa'......should fare well, Inshallah!
    Maa Ki Duaa is much more important to become "the man"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Do you feel that the different courses also favour one type of car over the other (say long vs short wheelbase) e.g at Mithi I understand there were few straights and lots of turns whereas Nadir's LC probably has a speed advantage in the wide open stretches of Cholistan?
    Speed & Off road, all vehicles will tail, however, because of their length, longer vehicles tail slower as compared to short wheel based vehicles thus giving the driver a little more time to react thereby a better chance of controlling it. Similarly, the chances of longer wheel based vehicles of experiencing a rear wheelie is lesser than a short wheel based. Disadvantage of longer wheel base is the extra weight that it has to carry.

    Trick is to have the best of both worlds, that is why the current generation of rally raid vehicles are stretched 3 door versions.

    I dont think Nadir's LC has any speed advantage over Evo, he may have a little better torque in soft sand because of being on diesel but Evo has very strong 2nd and 3rd gear. In fact it touches 160 in the 3rd, which makes Evo, if not stronger, atleast at par.

    In Cholistan 2010, TDCP had requested Motorway Police to manage the start and finish lines. They brought their speed guns and informed public the speeds at which each vehicle crossed the finish line. The fastest there was Ronnie, who crossed at 170, Nadir was at 160. Ahsan's Nissan VTC crossed at 164.

    So, while admitting that Nadir's LC is very well prepared, its not his LC that consistently wins him titles, its mainly his driving.

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